On 4/23/10 8:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:

Don't mistake racist to realist. The real racists are the goose stepping
Obama brownshirts. Liberal debt socialism at any cost. Doomed to fail
one way or another.


Another lunatic fringe post by Canuck the Lunatic.

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On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:03 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:08 -0600,
wrote:

CDO's went from $1 billion in 96 to $62 TRILLION in 2006.

but the right wing ignores this 'cuz it involved rich people

How does it not involve rich people?

Basically USA is bankrupt and the only thing saving it is "US is too big
to fail...". Or is perceived that way. Anyone who looks at the numbers
in a rational way knows it will never be payed off and is a ticking time
bomb.

Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the
retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada.

and if the middle class today was homeless, how would that work out
for their kids?

and, yes, this involves the rich. the right, however, just ignores
that and blames it all on the middle class


As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what
we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese
economy will be larger, and could happen sooner.

for 1000 years china's econmy was the largest in the world. it would
be unusal if they didn't regain that position, with 1.5 Billion
people...5X what we have



Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they
are liberal debtors

well no. the GOP congress tightened bankruptcy rules for the middle
class and made it easier for the rich.

Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and
create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression.

?? first you say congress decided debt was good then when it's
pointed out this is wrong you say congress was good for tightenin
rules....

do you read what you write?



once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class

They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap

well, no they didn't. they didnt vote for CDO's of 62 TRILLION
dollars. they didnt vote for economic collapse.

once again teh right blames the middle class instead of wall street.


.. True
conservatives have been screeming for decades to stop the madness. But
no one wants to believe Ron Paul circa 2003 when he said the big debt
depression is coming. Evey liberal pansi pandering idiot just wanted
cheap easy debt.

and in 2003 congress and the white house were controlled by the
conservative free market fanatics

how's that work out?


Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush
all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game.

nope. the biggest spender in history: george bush and ronald reagan.
they increased the debt more than any other presidents in US history.

Nope, wrong. Only took Reagan one trillion in his terms. That didn't
last 8 months with Obama.

and reagan didnt face the prospect of economic collapse. you simply
are unaware of current economic issues.

Look at Greece, might be small potatoes but when sovern debt goes bad
the economic system will unravel and eventually we be looking at 25%
mortgage rates, if you qualify. This is the time to get out of debt as
fast as you bloody can.

well no. sometimes debt is needed. ever hear of ww2?

you're an economic cripple


Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from
$9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no
abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to
stop it.

which is lower, as a % of our GDP, than we faced in ww2.

you're an economic crippse.


In 15 years 80% of the USA will have no health care beyond bone setting
and birth. Social Security will likely be so low or discontinued. Get
used to Debt America in this century.

you're an economic cripple

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:56:13 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 5:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:16:27 -0600,
wrote:


unless, of course, you're a right wing racist fanatic who thinks
obama's been president for 9 years


Might be Ok for big mouth to shoot his mouth off but I think perhaps
maybe Obama aught to clean up his own departmetns. Now that he has been
there for 16 months, it is his problem.

yep. and he's correcting it. unemployment down; housing sales up;
durable goods orders up.

good news. unless you're a racist

Don't mistake racist to realist. The real racists are the goose
stepping Obama brownshirts. Liberal debt socialism at any cost. Doomed
to fail one way or another.

i love it.

bush threw americans in jail without lawyers and without due process.
he spied on them. he tortured them

but obama's the fascist

of course, this is just more evidence for the racist hatred of the far
right

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600,
wrote:
Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout
corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks
like Obama is just a bull****er.

no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation
we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame
it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy

Just learn what VAT means. It is coming.

i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something

you, however, can't

On 23/04/2010 7:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:54:00 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:03 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:08 -0600,
wrote:

CDO's went from $1 billion in 96 to $62 TRILLION in 2006.

but the right wing ignores this 'cuz it involved rich people

How does it not involve rich people?

Basically USA is bankrupt and the only thing saving it is "US is too big
to fail...". Or is perceived that way. Anyone who looks at the numbers
in a rational way knows it will never be payed off and is a ticking time
bomb.

Don't worry, they will tax the hell out of your grandchildren for the
retirement obligations, like they do in UK and Canada.

and if the middle class today was homeless, how would that work out
for their kids?

Might be better to say fewer middle class exist today. If you are
homeless and used to have one, then you dropped out of middle class.

and, yes, this involves the rich. the right, however, just ignores
that and blames it all on the middle class

You just like blaming others. The rich didn't make the stupid take out
loans they could not afford. Debt losers can try to shirk their
responsibility but a welsher is a dime a dozen.

As China grows, the US will shrink economicially, that is in fact what
we are seeing. I figure it will be less than 10 years and the Chinese
economy will be larger, and could happen sooner.

for 1000 years china's econmy was the largest in the world. it would
be unusal if they didn't regain that position, with 1.5 Billion
people...5X what we have

Yep. But will make many Americans like you sour as your wealth diminishes.

Bankruptcy laws shoudl be tight. Letting liberals easily welsh and
create defunct uncontrolled debt is what got us into this depression.

?? first you say congress decided debt was good then when it's
pointed out this is wrong you say congress was good for tightenin
rules....

do you read what you write?

I have always said congress controls the money supply. President does
not operate in a vaccum here.

once again the right wing wants to blame the middle class

They voted for cheap easy liberal debt and sold America cheap

well, no they didn't. they didnt vote for CDO's of 62 TRILLION
dollars. they didnt vote for economic collapse.

once again teh right blames the middle class instead of wall street.

Yes they did. Their representatives tehy sent to DC did just that.
Most people pre-depression were middle class. Not sure what the current
numbers are, but bet the majority still is.

. True
conservatives have been screeming for decades to stop the madness. But
no one wants to believe Ron Paul circa 2003 when he said the big debt
depression is coming. Evey liberal pansi pandering idiot just wanted
cheap easy debt.

and in 2003 congress and the white house were controlled by the
conservative free market fanatics

how's that work out?

It started with the peanut farmer Carter and later Clinton that didn't
want a repeat of 1981 interest rates. Cheap easy debt.

Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush
all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball game.

nope. the biggest spender in history: george bush and ronald reagan.
they increased the debt more than any other presidents in US history.

Nope, wrong. Only took Reagan one trillion in his terms. That didn't
last 8 months with Obama.

and reagan didnt face the prospect of economic collapse. you simply
are unaware of current economic issues.

Yes he did. But he stopped it from going into a depression by leaving
more money in working taxpayers wallets. It worked too as it addressed
the issue head on.

Look at Greece, might be small potatoes but when sovern debt goes bad
the economic system will unravel and eventually we be looking at 25%
mortgage rates, if you qualify. This is the time to get out of debt as
fast as you bloody can.

well no. sometimes debt is needed. ever hear of ww2?

you're an economic cripple

Tell that to my accountant. He say I should retire but I don't think I
am old enough.

Think since 2007 and the end of 2010 the US national debt will go from
$9 to 14.5 trillion. $5.5 trillion increase in just 3 years. And no
abatement in sight because Obama and democriters haven't done **** to
stop it.

which is lower, as a % of our GDP, than we faced in ww2.

Going to issue war bonds now? LOL. The current debt is ponzi debt, US
government lending to itself on the currency account. Inflationary.
Can't last, something is going to give.

Sorry, I am not buying. Slight problems with the rates, credit risk and
inflation futures. I leave such crappy investments for others.

Debt to GDP maters little, it is your ability to pay the debt. And
right now the USA has no functional ability to pay its debt as it is in
big time structural deficit. And to back the currency, interest rates
will be going up shortly, and DC is so screwed. Raise rates or eat
hyper stagflation. Not pretty either way. I hear Greece needs to pay
9% on May futures and going up.

you're an economic crippse.

I would put you in touch with my tax accountant but I don't think 1) you
could afford him and 2) you don't need one.

In 15 years 80% of the USA will have no health care beyond bone setting
and birth. Social Security will likely be so low or discontinued. Get
used to Debt America in this century.

you're an economic cripple

LMAO.

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Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On 23/04/2010 6:28 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts

Actually, I agree. GM is peanuts really. What is $200 billion in
defunct debt and bailouts to $14.5 trillion anyways?

At some point government is going to have to downsize to at least 1/2 of
what it is today, maybe less. Even if they pull off hyper-stagflation,
without the middle class incomes following or exceeding the inflation,
recovery of the debt spiral is not possible. In fact, it will get worse
as governemnt costs go up but the revenue does not. Real bad situation
to be in.

Sort of like a car heading to a brick wall at 150mph.

The USA isn't that far from Greece as you might think. For example,
Japan is much worse and their economy is failing too. When their debt
defaults, they might want some of the money they lent to the USA. And
sovern debt unwinds. Going to collapse liek a house of cards.

Wish our local banks offer Yuan accounts.
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Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On 23/04/2010 7:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:58:07 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/04/2010 6:09 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:06:32 -0600,
wrote:
Think what you want. I turned on Bsh when he started the bailout
corruption. I actually had hopes that Obama would stop it. But looks
like Obama is just a bull****er.

no you didn't. you're unable to fathom the CAUSE of the situation
we're in. you think obama's been presdient for 9 years. so you blame
it ALL on him instead of your lord god, the rich white boy

Just learn what VAT means. It is coming.

i hope so. it works in europe. we can learn something

you, however, can't

Ever wonder why so very few Europeans, Canadians and UK people own boats?

You are about to find out. Because lets for arguments sake say it is a
even 5%. I suspect they will do 6 or 7, but say 5%.

Your purchasing power just went down 5%. Takes $1.05 to buy $1.00 of stuff.

So 1/20th of your income is gone from your use. Litterally a first
class boat in a average working career. Even auto takes a hit, as you
have 5% less to spend on the auto. In the end, 5% less autos will be sold.

And your great grandchildren not yet born will curse your debt mongering
liberal ass all to hell.

And at 5%, it still will not balance Obama's/Congress overspending.
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Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

On 23/04/2010 6:38 PM, A.Boater wrote:

OK, pussy boy. Quit bitching, man up, and send in the money you owe.

Owe for what?

I've got a boat and I can afford the gas. My life (and fun) won't end
because I pay my share. Your's won't either. Man up, pussy boy.

Never said you didn't pay your share. But Obama/congress needs you to
pay for all that loving money to losers like Citi, BAC, GM, government
overspending and debt+interest on $14.5 trillion and growing. That
senator isn't going to give up the lobster and pork. And you have to
pay for the larders on the side lines too.

Less than 30% of the people work for non-government and pay a
signifigant amount of taxes to DC. But if you look at congress spending
predictions, income tax will go up too.

You have to support at least two others in a style they feel they
deserve. Get used to it.

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Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:12:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Nom=de=Plume


We were overspending voraciously before Obama got in. And he has kicked
up
the spending 2-3x.

for good economic reasons as opposed to bush who just killed 4400 US
troops and spent money on tax cuts for the rich

how did the rich use their money? did they give wage increases to the
middle class?

nope the middle class hasnt had a pay increase in 10 y ears.

did they create jobs? nope. no jobs created in 10 years.

what did they do? well...in the last 10 years, the richest 1% have
seen their incomes triple.

They are forecasting trillion dollar deficits for the
next 10 years/ How is this all Bush II's fault?

yeah it is. we have to spend what's needed to get out of the free
market hole we've dug ourselves into.


How about cutting spending
to GM.

peanuts


Point out the good reasons why Obama spending excess amounts of money is
good. Not some talking point that Bush killed a bunch of people, spent a
Trillion dollars. Explain it, or go get an education. Explain how we are
getting more jobs, when California and others reached record unemployment
this last quarter. Show how many foreclosed houses are in inventory, and
which areas are selling, and how much discount from the last sale. Stop
parroting Olberman, etc. He is probably more biased and not as smart as
Rush.

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 5:39 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 23/04/2010 5:02 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 6:56 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 4:41 PM, hk wrote:
On 4/23/10 6:16 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/04/2010 3:26 PM, hk wrote:

The funny thing is, he thought that when I mentioned the "damage
caused
by eight years of Bush..." I was referring to overspending. I
wasn't.

So what is taking Obama so long to fix it? Is Obama still letting
Bush
run the government?


This is a serious question: are you retarded?

Are you in denialism of who has be el presidente for the last 16
months?

Denialism is a mental disorder. Hey, maybe we should all work for
Obama
and surf the Internet all day. Think, you could get paid by Obama with
benefits to do this.


You think eight years of messes can be cleaned up in 16 months?

First, I don't think much went wrong for 7 of 8 years of Bush. Democrats
and Repulicans told him to go to war, he did.

You're an idiot.

Congress decided debt was good, and wanted cheap easy debt being they
are
liberal debtors and lowered the cost of debt too much. Congress manages
the money supply, look to democrat congress for who screwed up.

You're an idiot.

Congress wanted cheap easy debt and created the debt bubble. Blame Bush
all you want, but debt is congress and it has been democriters ball
game.

You're an idiot.

I think I summed that up nicely.

Sorry your brain didn't grasp the fundimentals. But no one ever accused
you of being rational.

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Socialism and statism are great as long as someone else pays for it.


At least I have a brain. Nobody is sure what's growing between your ears..

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Nom=de=Plume