Realistic cruising under sail
 

On Apr 22, 7:51*pm, Wayne.B wrote:

One nice thing about the Volvos is that they were relatively easy to
crank start by hand thanks to large fly wheels and a compression
release lever. * The trick was to open the compression release, get
the fly wheel spinning at a good clip with the crank, and then close
the release lever. * The fly wheel had enough momentum to kick it over
a few times and get the engine started. *

Yeah, heavy flywheels. Like the old air cooled Lister-Petter diesels,
It seemed like the flywheel weighed more than the whole rig.

Realistic cruising under sail
 

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Even the best sailboat cannot sail much closer than 45 degrees to the
wind so this means at least 1/4 of the time you cannot sail directly
toward your destination (2*45 =90 which is 1/4 of 360). On a loaded
cruising boat, you will be lucky to get to within 55 degrees of the
wind so this eliminates 110 out of 360 degrees or 30%.
Where I live, NO wind at least 1/2 the time leaving only 35% of the
time you can sail toward your destination. About half the time while
trying to cruise, you get short of time so you end up motoring
directly toward your destination getting you down to 17.5% of the time
you can sail directly toward your destination. Around here, roughly
30% of the time the widn is blowing, it is a thunderstorm or tropical
storm getting you down to somewhere between 10 -13% of the time you
can sail toward your destination. This is why cruising sailboats need
adequate engines.


Interesting numbers. Of course, out here the wind is pretty high I think.
By
adequate... what do you mean? It needs to power the boat in most
conditions,
but if you're offshore and there's wind, you're likely sailing right? I
can
see needing something adequate in the bay or on the coast. The link I
found
said the boat had a 50hp, which seems pretty good for a 42' boat. Perhaps
fuel capacity is also an important issue...



Perhaps?


Well, again, if you're sailing and mostly relying on the wind, then the only
time you need the engine is in/out of a harbor or charging batteries (and
perhaps a couple of other uses like refridgeration). Seems to me if you're
conservative about how you use the engine, then it might not be such a big
deal.


Then there are storms.

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nom=de=plume wrote:
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nom=de=plume wrote:

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Even the best sailboat cannot sail much closer than 45 degrees to the
wind so this means at least 1/4 of the time you cannot sail directly
toward your destination (2*45 =90 which is 1/4 of 360). On a loaded
cruising boat, you will be lucky to get to within 55 degrees of the
wind so this eliminates 110 out of 360 degrees or 30%.
Where I live, NO wind at least 1/2 the time leaving only 35% of the
time you can sail toward your destination. About half the time while
trying to cruise, you get short of time so you end up motoring
directly toward your destination getting you down to 17.5% of the time
you can sail directly toward your destination. Around here, roughly
30% of the time the widn is blowing, it is a thunderstorm or tropical
storm getting you down to somewhere between 10 -13% of the time you
can sail toward your destination. This is why cruising sailboats need
adequate engines.


Interesting numbers. Of course, out here the wind is pretty high I
think.
By
adequate... what do you mean? It needs to power the boat in most
conditions,
but if you're offshore and there's wind, you're likely sailing right? I
can
see needing something adequate in the bay or on the coast. The link I
found
said the boat had a 50hp, which seems pretty good for a 42' boat.
Perhaps
fuel capacity is also an important issue...



Perhaps?


Well, again, if you're sailing and mostly relying on the wind, then the
only
time you need the engine is in/out of a harbor or charging batteries (and
perhaps a couple of other uses like refridgeration). Seems to me if
you're
conservative about how you use the engine, then it might not be such a
big
deal.


Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

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Nom=de=Plume

Realistic cruising under sail
 

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have
already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing,
one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming
overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close
to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can
help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to
windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a
tough teacher.

Realistic cruising under sail
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have
already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing,
one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming
overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close
to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can
help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to
windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a
tough teacher.


Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine
output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm
(survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more
control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read
the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to
maintain control.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Realistic cruising under sail
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
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nom=de=plume wrote:

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nom=de=plume wrote:


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Even the best sailboat cannot sail much closer than 45 degrees to the
wind so this means at least 1/4 of the time you cannot sail directly
toward your destination (2*45 =90 which is 1/4 of 360). On a loaded
cruising boat, you will be lucky to get to within 55 degrees of the
wind so this eliminates 110 out of 360 degrees or 30%.
Where I live, NO wind at least 1/2 the time leaving only 35% of the
time you can sail toward your destination. About half the time while
trying to cruise, you get short of time so you end up motoring
directly toward your destination getting you down to 17.5% of the time
you can sail directly toward your destination. Around here, roughly
30% of the time the widn is blowing, it is a thunderstorm or tropical
storm getting you down to somewhere between 10 -13% of the time you
can sail toward your destination. This is why cruising sailboats need
adequate engines.



Interesting numbers. Of course, out here the wind is pretty high I
think.
By
adequate... what do you mean? It needs to power the boat in most
conditions,
but if you're offshore and there's wind, you're likely sailing right? I
can
see needing something adequate in the bay or on the coast. The link I
found
said the boat had a 50hp, which seems pretty good for a 42' boat.
Perhaps
fuel capacity is also an important issue...




Perhaps?


Well, again, if you're sailing and mostly relying on the wind, then the
only
time you need the engine is in/out of a harbor or charging batteries (and
perhaps a couple of other uses like refridgeration). Seems to me if
you're
conservative about how you use the engine, then it might not be such a
big
deal.



Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.


You have a lot to learn.

Realistic cruising under sail
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have
already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing,
one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming
overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close
to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can
help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to
windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a
tough teacher.


Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm engine
output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm
(survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more
control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I read
the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine to
maintain control.


I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling...

The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat.

Realistic cruising under sail
 

"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have
already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing,
one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming
overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close
to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can
help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to
windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a
tough teacher.


Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm
engine
output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm
(survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more
control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I
read
the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine
to
maintain control.


I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling...

The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat.

You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo.

Realistic cruising under sail
 

On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have
already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing,
one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming
overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close
to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can
help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to
windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a
tough teacher.


Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm
engine
output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm
(survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more
control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I
read
the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine
to
maintain control.


I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling...

The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat.

You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo.


Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to
argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about
sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect
Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could
possibly be leading to by referencing it.

You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid
arguments. Go away.

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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message
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On 4/28/2010 10:58 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:33 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


Then there are storms.


How does an engine help in a storm? I doubt much.

Wrong, possibly dead wrong with bad luck. Some of these issues have
already been discussed in this thread. Repeating and embellishing,
one of the most common issues with salboats in a storm is becoming
overwhelmed by the wind. This is particularly dangerous when close
to a leeward shore or some other immovable object. A good engine can
help a lot to maintain control and the ability to make way to
windward. There is much to learn about all this and experience is a
tough teacher.


Well, I was thinking of the limiting case where wind would overwhelm
engine
output and where there's no "land" issue. Seems to me that in storm
(survival) conditions, even a small amount of sail would give you more
control than an engine could, even if that means not making progress. I
read
the Perfect Storm, and I don't recall the sailboat having use of engine
to
maintain control.


I'm still trying to believe you aren't trolling...

The Andrea Gail (sp?) was a fishing trawler - not a sailboat.

You're an idiot. It was the Satori. Try again bozo.


Perhaps he didn't remember the sailboat. So what. There is nothing to
argue about with you because you simple don't understand anything about
sailing or trying to maintain some control in stormy seas. The Perfect
Storm was one mutha of a storm and I don't see what point you could
possibly be leading to by referencing it.

You know nothing. You want to know nothing. You just want to make stupid
arguments. Go away.


Or, perhaps he's a liar. And, perhaps you're a stalker... you keep posting
about me, to me.