I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'


Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.


Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

On 4/20/10 8:30 AM, Tim wrote:
I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'


Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.


Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!



Straight gas? What are you looking for, a circa 1950s country store with
pumps out front?

--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Apr 20, 7:38*am, hk wrote:
On 4/20/10 8:30 AM, Tim wrote:





I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Straight gas? What are you looking for, a circa 1950s country store with
pumps out front?


Harry, we still have a place around here that has the old time pumps
with the rolling mechanical numbers, not digital and the don't accept
a credit card at the pump. Knapps at Xenia IL. and it's right on the
way to the lake too!

From what I understand thee are some places that still offer it in my
area. the 87 octane is supposedly straight petro and the 89 is a 10
percent ethanol. But I've heard that Caseys stores supposedly
guarentee there's to be straigh petrol. With modern fuel stabilizers
the engines are suppose to be protected from oil seperation but I need
to research that a bit better.

On 4/20/10 8:50 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 7:38 am, wrote:
On 4/20/10 8:30 AM, Tim wrote:





I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Straight gas? What are you looking for, a circa 1950s country store with
pumps out front?


Harry, we still have a place around here that has the old time pumps
with the rolling mechanical numbers, not digital and the don't accept
a credit card at the pump. Knapps at Xenia IL. and it's right on the
way to the lake too!

From what I understand thee are some places that still offer it in my
area. the 87 octane is supposedly straight petro and the 89 is a 10
percent ethanol. But I've heard that Caseys stores supposedly
guarentee there's to be straigh petrol. With modern fuel stabilizers
the engines are suppose to be protected from oil seperation but I need
to research that a bit better.


Be thankful you have an old two cycle that doesn't use that
foul-smelling oil the modern two cycles burn. The old two cycle oil was
oil as we knew it...and smelled like oil.

:)


--
The Tea Party's teabaggers are just the Republican base by another name.

On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote:
I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always
ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on
today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long.
Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump
assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.

On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote:





I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always
ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on
today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long.
Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump
assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained
motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the
triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get
them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the
brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors.

they were a pain to work on,too! especially trying to get the brushes
installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card'

The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better.
and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters,
but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite
costs me more than thewhole UT starter!


And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't
economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around
9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time.


The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it
from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another
13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside.

But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a
welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from
a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of
going with a home made hybrid drive too!

The gears are turning.....

On Apr 20, 8:20*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote:





On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote:

I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always
ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on
today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long.
Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump
assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained
motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the
triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get
them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the
brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors.

they were a pain to work on,too! *especially trying to get the brushes
installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card'

The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better.
and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters,
but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite
costs me more than thewhole UT starter!

And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't
economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around
9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time.

The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it
from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another
13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside.

But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a
welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from
a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of
going with a home made hybrid drive too!

The gears are turning.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, this evening, I'm going to assess some things and start pulling
and replacing hoses. I don't see anything cracked or worn, but
they're probably getting a bit hardened since they are origional since
probably about 1977 or so, and could probably need some attention

On Apr 20, 11:06*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:20*am, Tim wrote:





On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote:

I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil..
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always
ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on
today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long..
Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump
assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained
motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the
triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get
them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the
brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors.

they were a pain to work on,too! *especially trying to get the brushes
installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card'

The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better.
and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters,
but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite
costs me more than thewhole UT starter!

And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't
economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around
9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time.

The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it
from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another
13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside.

But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a
welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from
a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of
going with a home made hybrid drive too!

The gears are turning.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, this evening, I'm going to assess some things and start pulling
and replacing hoses. I don't see anything cracked or worn, but
they're probably getting a bit hardened since they are origional since
probably about 1977 or so, and could probably need some attention- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Is it a 77 motor? I may have a manual for you. I've got a Merc now.
One thing on those oldies is what they call link and sync. I did that
with my just exactly like the manual tells you to and it ran much
better. That and rebuilt the carbs, about all I ever had to do to the
engine itself. I had to replace the motor on the trim/tilt, mine was a
prestolite.

On Apr 20, 11:04*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:06*am, Tim wrote:





On Apr 20, 8:20*am, Tim wrote:

On Apr 20, 8:06*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Apr 20, 8:30*am, Tim wrote:

I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning. It's cold here and took a couple hit and cough's, but on
the third time it high idled well, and after taking the choke and idle
down, it had that neat 'cackle'

Engine had good compression and fires evenly. I didn't have time to
clean off the engine, but will do that this evening.. This float had
been trailered on some pretty dusty roads and with the grommet gon
from the throttle cable to the cowl base it's got some crap in thre
but not really bad.

Jut by looking around, I detected a bit of minor oil weepage from up
in the flywheel area but nothing that I'd be considering of a great
concern. I'll probably run it this season but change the seal out this
winter.

Another thing I though was cool is that it still has the origional
Prestolite starter motor still on it. So, it must be a good runner
because that's the first thing that would burn out due to extended and
over cranking.

BTW, the guy said the engine fouls plugs like crazy but he also said
he mixes the oil pretty thick too. I believe it because especially
when choked it fogged like crazy, and with no breeze, there was the
neatest blue haze hovering across the back yard.

But till, I cant have that, so I'll have my brother mix the gas/oil.
He's the Amzoil expert. Not to find a place that sells straight
gasoline intead of the gas-o-hol mix.

I think I have a winner!

Tim, I had a V-4 135 horse on a bass boat I had. That thing always
ran. It also sucked gas like there was no tomorrow! It ran fine on
today's gas blend. Yes, they'll foul if you are at low speed for long.
Also in that era there were two different trim/tilt motor/pump
assemblies. One was a Prestolite and one was Calco.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I believe my trim motor is the calco. it's sort of a self contained
motor that is attached onto the pump assy with three bolts in the
triangular configuration. I never did like the presto's, I used to get
them in and they were always full of rust and trying to solder the
brushes in were a real pain. Same with the Presto starter motors.

they were a pain to work on,too! *especially trying to get the brushes
installed with that flimsy fiber brush holder 'card'

The permanent magnet United Tech model starters are so much better.
and cheaper as well. I can still get parts for the presto starters,
but they're didiculous in pricing. Just an armature for the Prestolite
costs me more than thewhole UT starter!

And yes, I imaging it will suck the gas. The old two cycles weren't
economocal, But for the price of a modern 4-banger of being around
9-15 thousand bucks, a guy can burn a lot of fuel for a long time.

The float came with an older 6.5 gal steel tank and the guy I got it
from also installed a 13 gal plastic. I think I'm gong to need another
13 too. And maybe a 20 on the inside.

But if my two strokes ever crap out on me, I'm going oto take it to a
welding shop and install a 120 hp mercruiser alpha 1, I salvaged from
a clapped out mid 70's Mart Twain. 18 ft. I also have some ideas of
going with a home made hybrid drive too!

The gears are turning.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, this evening, I'm going to assess some things and start pulling
and replacing hoses. I don't see anything cracked or worn, but
they're probably getting a bit hardened since they are origional since
probably about 1977 or so, and could probably need some attention- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Is it a 77 motor? I may have a manual for you. I've got a Merc now.
One thing on those oldies is what they call link and sync. I did that
with my just exactly like the manual tells you to and it ran much
better. That and rebuilt the carbs, about all I ever had to do to the
engine itself. I had to replace the motor on the trim/tilt, mine was a
prestolite.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for the offer, Loog. I'll look and see if I can decipher the
serial Nnumber and see what year it actually is. I believe its a cross-
flo block. Two aluminum carbs one on top of the other and no belt
drive distributor

On Apr 20, 11:17*am, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:30:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I couldn't resis, so I went out and muffed the Oli and fired it up
this morning.

Hey hold the noise down, I'm trying to sleep here. ;-)
Maybe I will crank up my table saw at 2 AM and cut up some aluminum
angle.

Oh I didn't rack it off 'much' jsut enough to get it to idle out and
it does have such a neat sound at idle. It's fun listening to it
"cackle" on every hit. Beautiful tune actually.


If I want to wake the neighbors up, I'd fire up the Stihl O64!


Yeah, Prestolites. They were good for their day ... sort of.


Interesting though now that we're speaking of electric boat trim and
starter motors. I ahv a 'like-new' Mercury "Dock Buster" starter made
by Delco. The Dock Buster motors were direct drive and you started the
egine by turning it one way, and to go in reverse, you killed the
engine, reversed the brush polarity through the seris of solonoids,
and started the engine in the oposite direction.

It's interesting to see an outboard starter with two oposing pinion
gears on the same shaft....