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On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is
going to save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers
tax is a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and
hardworking. Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more honest
and under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance.
Probably because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they had
to get acceptance from the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents would
have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they were
traitors to the British. But victors write the history books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they
were British subjects before they were Americans.

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Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving
the government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by
a law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established
lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about what
you write.

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I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer.
I think he was already a state senator when he took the bar.



So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're
unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were
quite different than those on the East Coast.

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Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an
attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my
relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham
Clark. NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever
read of him apprenticing as an attorney either.



Sure. We believe you. NOT

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Believe or not. I do not give a **** what you believe.



Yet you can't help but say something. Weren't you going to ignore me??

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Because you are so far out troll, sometimes it is hard to ignore gross
stupidity by you.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:31:08 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:55:50 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:




Actually I have been on both. And you bring up the expensive COBRA. Also
points out how expensive insurance is for a company.

TA DA!!! even a right wing ASSHOLE finally gets it!

YES, US HEALTHCARE IS EXPENSIVE!!!

it's the most expensive in the WORLD. but the right wing thinks that's
GREAT!!


Why do you think it is the most expensive in the world?

because we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare. no one else spends that
much

You pay an extra
$2-3 a gallon for gas in Europe to pay for that "free" healthcare. That
gets damn expensive. Several European countries are almost bankrupt
because of medical costs. What is the medical cost per person in the USA vs
the next 5 most expensive countries in the world?

i just gave you a fact. we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare

who else does that?

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:40:59 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:07:54 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


except, until obama came along. insurance companies could tell you to
go **** yourself

and to the right wing, that's the voice of god.



I was unemployed 7 times. Happy now. I went with 6 startups. So I got to
see unemployment a couple times. A couple times I was unemployed too short
of a time to collect unemployment insurance. And Cobra can only cost 10%
more than the company pays the insurance company.

and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off?

oh. none.

Frigging idiot. I also
banked a bunch of my income for the lean times. Sure, I got paid very well
for a middle class worker, but having an engineering degree and lots of
talent helps. What kind of a cars does you and the wife drive?

i drive a 2000 honda crv with 200,000 miles and the wife drives a 2001
focus with 120,000 miles.

How big a
boat and how much for the slip? Maybe you should consider learning
economics.

i have a 1977 tollycraft that cost $3500. slip is $3000 a year.

no, we dont vacation in gstaad every year.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:49:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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No idea. It might put them out of business. It might be anything between
that and a big payout. I wonder if insurance is even an option.


That is why it might be in the national interest to give them
sovereign immunity.
If that is our only way into space and they get sued out of business
we might be back buying a ride from the Russians.
I assume, for that reason, we will still have a military space
program. It will only be science that gets privatized.
They could go for a "man rating" on the Atlas rocket and be flying
pretty quick. Just dust off some of those 30 year old capsules and
shoot.


I would go... in a heartbeat.

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I would go if I had something to do up there but I am not interested
in just being cargo.


But the view would be incredible... Part of the deal would be access to the
window.

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"Jack" wrote in message
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On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote:
Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private
industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better
and
cheaper. Just seems odd.

All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle
design
has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan
something
like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth
orbit.
It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is
more
sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years
to
come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass.
A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the
current
NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and
we're
spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to
light
fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck".
Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of
people
who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there,
that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the
job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school
teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment,
they
know life support systems and how to work with tools
NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform
thier missions. Flush them and start over.

You're wrong on so many levels. Case in point: I get a Tech Brief
industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs
that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research
facilities every couple of months. These are the same people that
brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances
that it's not easily comprehended by most. Shut them down?

Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the
same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else
he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. It's in
the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. He isn't really holding up
the AF as the model of effiency, is he? And what the hell would Navy
divers do up there? I guess they can take the space walks and perform
maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure
can't handle.

But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let
Rutan and others do it? They'll only do what make commercial sense
for them, and the research part will stagnate. Not good for America.

Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at
*relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and
company have lost their minds.


Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being
scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs.

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On 17/04/2010 5:22 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:29:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Which has little to do with the argument that tort reform is
going to save
the healthcare system.

Tort reform would save the whole economic system. The lawyers
tax is a
drag on the whole economy, producing absolutely nothing.



?? Come on. More nonsense. Most lawyers are honest and
hardworking. Lawyers
founded this country. We have nothing to be ashamed of.

The only explaination I have is lawyers back then were more
honest and under a lot more scruteny on the issue of governance.
Probably because many of their peers were NOT lawyers and they
had to get acceptance from the people.

"We the people..." founded the USA. Otherwise the residents
would have hung the idiots as traitors to the crown, and they
were traitors to the British. But victors write the history
books.

BTW, I think they did a good job. Just an observation that they
were British subjects before they were Americans.

--
Time to ask ask, is our government serving us or are we serving
the government?

To be a lawyer in those days, you did not have to indoctrinated by
a law school. Just read the books and take the bar exam.

Only partially correct. You had to apprentice with an established
lawyer, much as John Adams did. As usual, you know little about
what you write.

--
Nom=de=Plume


I read no where of Lincoln apprenticing with an established lawyer.
I think he was already a state senator when he took the bar.



So, you believe that Lincoln was one of the founders.... also, you're
unfamiliar with the concept of frontier country lawyers, which were
quite different than those on the East Coast.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Logic escapes you again. We were discussing the requirements to be an
attorney in the old days. The East was a frontier also. One of my
relatives was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Abraham
Clark. NJ lawyer, self taught, surveyor, and attorney. Did not ever
read of him apprenticing as an attorney either.



Sure. We believe you. NOT

--
Nom=de=Plume


Believe or not. I do not give a **** what you believe.



Yet you can't help but say something. Weren't you going to ignore me??

--
Nom=de=Plume


Because you are so far out troll, sometimes it is hard to ignore gross
stupidity by you.



And, yet... you keep posting. Assuming I'm a troll, which I'm not, but
whatever... what would that make you? A puppet and not a bright one.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:40:59 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:07:54 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


except, until obama came along. insurance companies could tell you to
go **** yourself

and to the right wing, that's the voice of god.



I was unemployed 7 times. Happy now. I went with 6 startups. So I got
to
see unemployment a couple times. A couple times I was unemployed too
short
of a time to collect unemployment insurance. And Cobra can only cost 10%
more than the company pays the insurance company.

and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off?

oh. none.

Frigging idiot. I also
banked a bunch of my income for the lean times. Sure, I got paid very
well
for a middle class worker, but having an engineering degree and lots of
talent helps. What kind of a cars does you and the wife drive?

i drive a 2000 honda crv with 200,000 miles and the wife drives a 2001
focus with 120,000 miles.

How big a
boat and how much for the slip? Maybe you should consider learning
economics.

i have a 1977 tollycraft that cost $3500. slip is $3000 a year.

no, we dont vacation in gstaad every year.



Cobra is paid all by you. The company can, but is not required to, charge
up to 10% for administration costs.

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:23:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:38:49 -0400, bpuharic wrote:

and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off?

oh. none.

It depends on the company. Centex paid my wife's COBRA until she got
another job. It only took a week but the deal was good for 6 months.
IBM kept people on the IBM insurance plan for up to 5 years in some of
the separation packages that were offered but one year was the norm.

there are very few IBM's in the world. IBM had a no layoff policy
until the mid 80's.

most companies don't pay COBRA. again you're putting faith in the rich
above common sense

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On 19/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:04:45 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:10:02 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



to date theyv'e paid out 2 billion in insurance claims.

"

How many atheists have schools and hospitals?

actually, all of them. we support them with our taxes. we just dont
rape the chlidren we care for

Same reason mean teach grammar school? Are you a closet pedophile?

why? is your wife unsatisfied?

You must be looking for friends with the same problems as you have.


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On 20/04/2010 5:15 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:23:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:38:49 -0400, wrote:

and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off?

oh. none.

It depends on the company. Centex paid my wife's COBRA until she got
another job. It only took a week but the deal was good for 6 months.
IBM kept people on the IBM insurance plan for up to 5 years in some of
the separation packages that were offered but one year was the norm.

there are very few IBM's in the world. IBM had a no layoff policy
until the mid 80's.

most companies don't pay COBRA. again you're putting faith in the rich
above common sense

No, maybe unlike you he has faith in himslef and does not expect you to
pay for it.

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Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government?