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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 19/04/2010 4:16 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 22:04:45 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:10:02 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: to date theyv'e paid out 2 billion in insurance claims. " How many atheists have schools and hospitals? actually, all of them. we support them with our taxes. we just dont rape the chlidren we care for Same reason mean teach grammar school? Are you a closet pedophile? why? is your wife unsatisfied? You must be looking for friends with the same problems as you have. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? Looks like you've found yours. Heh.. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Apr 20, 1:48*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message ... On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote: Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Just seems odd. All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit. It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is more sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years to come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass. A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the current NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and we're spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to light fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck". Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of people who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there, that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment, they know life support systems and how to work with tools NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform thier missions. Flush them and start over. You're wrong on so many levels. *Case in point: I get a Tech Brief industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research facilities every couple of months. *These are the same people that brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances that it's not easily comprehended by most. *Shut them down? Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. *It's in the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. *He isn't really holding up the AF as the model of effiency, is he? *And what the hell would Navy divers do up there? *I guess they can take the space walks and perform maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure can't handle. But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let Rutan and others do it? *They'll only do what make commercial sense for them, and the research part will stagnate. *Not good for America. Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? *Are you freakin kidding me? *Obama and company have lost their minds. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs.. Reply: get a real news reader. The real scoop is that NASA's "work", which is putting Americans into orbit or beyond, is ending by edict of your boy. The increase in funding is to cover the fact that the Russians aren't going to let us fly for free, nor are the US private ventures that are *supposed* to materialize later. Fact is, once you put in place a layer of management to handle the foreign or domestic contracts, the QA that has to be done with anything outside NASA, and all the management of this extra layer of BS, the extra funding and supposed cost savings will vanish, especially if you want to argue that the NASA reseach ROI will remain the same. Meanwhile, jobs gained? No reliable news source is claiming more than 1700 jobs gains, while the same sources say +7000 jobs LOST. Put new batteries in your calculator. Spin it again, bitch. |
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On 21/04/2010 12:09 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:15:15 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:23:07 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:38:49 -0400, wrote: and how much of COBRA does the company pay after you get laid off? oh. none. It depends on the company. Centex paid my wife's COBRA until she got another job. It only took a week but the deal was good for 6 months. IBM kept people on the IBM insurance plan for up to 5 years in some of the separation packages that were offered but one year was the norm. there are very few IBM's in the world. IBM had a no layoff policy until the mid 80's. most companies don't pay COBRA. again you're putting faith in the rich above common sense Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. Sometimes that is not the one with the highest salary. My wife and both managed to find one and she works for another good one now. The place she works for now kept a woman who had cancer on full salary and insurance for a year after she could no longer work. When choosing and employer there is indeed more than money in the criteria. If they offer training and development it is easy to monitize it as a nice benefit and take a lower salary. Time off, and location also play a huge factor. I have been offered to work at IBM but have declined because I have known people who work for them. Starts off you fly out on Monday and back on Friday. After a few weeks "the client needs on on Monday and Friday. Next thing you know you get home on Saturday in time to do your laundry, sleep and then jump a plane with zero home life. Saw one guy get divorced over it. Certianly not a family man job. But might be good if you are young, they train you up and give them a year or two. Me, if I could choose where I live and get say 6 weeks vacation and all stats off, but work longer hours in the winter and not much travel, I would easily work for 1/2. Probably put myself on a fishing lake where I could kock off at 5 and go trolling for dinner. I worked remotely for 8 years in varies degrees of remote every Friday. If it was Wednesday and 6" of snow, VPN in. Heck, VPN in and be all over the world, Japan, UK, France, Germany, Wisconsin, California...was great. Loved it as travel time home was 1 minute. Best part is if they call you on Sunday for help, VPN in and out, travel time 2 minutes. Lower travel times is important to me. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? |
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On 20/04/2010 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Yes, but I though you were pro-Obama? Converted? Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. I don't trust Obama, 6 months ago he was ready to slash their budget to paper rockets. NASA is one of the best science investments the US ever made. Inspired many into science and technology including myself. Spun off technology in all sorts of sciences, including the rock we live on. Sure beats spending it on war. In fact if you took the middle east moneys since 911, NASA could be funded to etternity on the interest. And you do alot better than dead soldiers. I still remember John Glenns lift off on a B&W TV. -- Time to ask, is our government serving us or are we serving the government? |
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On Apr 21, 8:44*am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/04/2010 11:48 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? *Are you freakin kidding me? *Obama and company have lost their minds. Yes, but I though you were pro-Obama? *Converted? That was my text. She still hasn't figured out how to use a news reader. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. I don't trust Obama, 6 months ago he was ready to slash their budget to paper rockets. Now he's saying that they'll get some money and it will create some jobs, but all sources are saying that it will be a net job loss of over 5000. Hey, it's expensive to buy your way aboard Russian rockets. Outsourcing this is a bad idea. But Obama is good at bad ideas. I still remember John Glenns lift off on a B&W TV. I remember touring the Space Center when I was a kid, and going into the VAB back when they'd still let you do that. Wow. Now you just ride by it on the road as they point it out. Better see it while you can... soon it will be nothing but rubble. I guess we can lease it to the Russians. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:30:21 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:09:23 -0400, wrote: Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. gee. i used to work for ATT. an 18 BILLION dollar company. it doesn't exist anymore. funny how the right wing looks at middle class wager earners....then at an 18 billion dollar company and says the middle class is to blame for choosing the wrong company. had nothing to do with ATT management, you see. they were rich. they had wall street buddies. it COULDNT have been THEIR fault. My brother in law just retired from Verizon and he has no complaints about how former AT&T employees were treated. I worked for NCR. ATT bought them. After I left. One of the two small pensions I get. I still have breakfast once a month with a group of NCR coworkers. They were there through the ATT years. Said ATT was a crap manager, but they were treated well in the layoffs and retirements. And you could have bought a lot of ATT stock at a discount and made a handsome profit on it as an employee. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:42:05 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:30:21 -0400, bpuharic wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:09:23 -0400, wrote: Maybe I am just putting faith in people choosing a good company to work for. gee. i used to work for ATT. an 18 BILLION dollar company. it doesn't exist anymore. funny how the right wing looks at middle class wager earners....then at an 18 billion dollar company and says the middle class is to blame for choosing the wrong company. had nothing to do with ATT management, you see. they were rich. they had wall street buddies. it COULDNT have been THEIR fault. My brother in law just retired from Verizon and he has no complaints about how former AT&T employees were treated. I worked for NCR. ATT bought them. After I left. One of the two small pensions I get. I still have breakfast once a month with a group of NCR coworkers. They were there through the ATT years. Said ATT was a crap manager, but they were treated well in the layoffs and retirements. And you could have bought a lot of ATT stock at a discount and made a handsome profit on it as an employee. IBM was OK to me but like most people who wait for the later round of layoffs the guys leaving now are taking a screwing. There were actually better packages before I left but I believed them when they said they would find me something to do. In real life, I did get a lot of training and experience in other things while I was searching for a better job. In the end there just wasn't another job. Every one of the other services IBM thought was going to be the answer, fizzled. I took the "30 and out". I did get to learn LAN administration, Data cabling and connectivity, TP/Network support, Physical Planning (designing computer rooms) and database management (DB2 and SQL). I figured out dBase on my own. When I left I had a lot of cards in my wallet. The only one I cashed was my electrical inspectors license and I got that on my own too. My buddy from high school and I was in business with went through the same thing. He was a Regional Specialist in San Francisco for IBM. I think he really did not want another high tech job. |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Apr 20, 1:48 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message ... On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote: Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private industry can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better and cheaper. Just seems odd. All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle design has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan something like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth orbit. It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is more sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years to come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass. A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the current NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and we're spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to light fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck". Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of people who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up there, that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get the job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and school teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment, they know life support systems and how to work with tools NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform thier missions. Flush them and start over. You're wrong on so many levels. Case in point: I get a Tech Brief industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research facilities every couple of months. These are the same people that brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances that it's not easily comprehended by most. Shut them down? Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. It's in the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. He isn't really holding up the AF as the model of effiency, is he? And what the hell would Navy divers do up there? I guess they can take the space walks and perform maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure can't handle. But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let Rutan and others do it? They'll only do what make commercial sense for them, and the research part will stagnate. Not good for America. Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at *relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and company have lost their minds. Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs. Reply: get a real news reader. The real scoop is that NASA's "work", which is putting Americans into orbit or beyond, is ending by edict of your boy. The increase in funding is to cover the fact that the Russians aren't going to let us fly for free, nor are the US private ventures that are *supposed* to materialize later. Fact is, once you put in place a layer of management to handle the foreign or domestic contracts, the QA that has to be done with anything outside NASA, and all the management of this extra layer of BS, the extra funding and supposed cost savings will vanish, especially if you want to argue that the NASA reseach ROI will remain the same. Meanwhile, jobs gained? No reliable news source is claiming more than 1700 jobs gains, while the same sources say +7000 jobs LOST. Put new batteries in your calculator. Spin it again, bitch. Reply: You're a jerk. Don't hurt yourself in "private." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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