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... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:57:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's. i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet and look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for free. https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to education. Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start. No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't other peoples problems. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself with stuff like this. If you are really watching stocks, most of the information you look at will be obsolete in 90 days and usually it is more like 90 hours. There may be a few books that can give you some fundamentals about how the market works but day to day decisions have to be made on day to day events. Part of the problem is the amount of money that moves into and out of the market from individuals on a purely emotional and knee jerk way. I have what I call the "Cramer effect". If you just want to day trade, you could make a pretty good living doing nothing but buying stocks Jim Cramer pumps and then dump them a couple days later before reality sets in. (use a stop loss) Sometimes he does have some long term trends right (like PCP) but there was a definite jump and a later decline right after he pumped it on the air. If you rode it out you still made about 10% but I didn't do it. He has picked his share of losers so you certainly can't trust everything he says (SHLD for one). I knew that was wrong. He just like Eddie Lampbert and it was misplaced trust. Birdbrain... there are actual computers in libraries these days. Stocks change minute by minute not just in 90 hours. There are more than "a few" books that give people the fundamentals. You really can't be this stupid. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:09:55 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote: On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower income categories pay the price. Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism. Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for those other lazy *******s. Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like Chavez or Castro. Box of rocks in your brain. A $1M annual earner gets taxed at 39% instead of 36% but, in your simple mind, he's now been taxed into a moderate income. Great logic. |
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On 4/13/10 3:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:09:55 -0600, wrote: On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote: On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower income categories pay the price. Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism. Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for those other lazy *******s. Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like Chavez or Castro. Box of rocks in your brain. A $1M annual earner gets taxed at 39% instead of 36% but, in your simple mind, he's now been taxed into a moderate income. Great logic. He's a doppelganger of frogwarts. -- Conservatives - just pretend Obama's health care legislation is another unnecessary war and you'll feel better about it. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. and YOU have nothing but bitches. You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper Excuses. More excuses. Get off a minor newsgroup and take a couple investing classes. They are online or at the local adult education emporiums. If you got time to spend here, you have time to learn. |
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"hk" wrote in message m... On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote: On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym About 50 years ago, I worked for Western Electric. In the warehouse. CWA member. A worse than worthless union. Went on strike a while before I went there for 9 weeks. Settled for what ATT offered before the strike. But that is an aside. Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Apr 12, 1:08 pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:03:10 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the most troublesome car I've owned. I had 2 Hondas that were pretty good and not hard to work on but my current Prelude needs a timing belt and the first line in the shop manual instructions to replace this belt is "remove engine". This is the kind of engineering that GM would be proud of (similar to the old Nova V-8 that required you to loosen a motor mount and raise the engine to get to one of the spark plugs). The difference is, this is not some 4 cylinder econobox that they tried to cram a V-8 in. This car came off the drawing board this way. BTW Honda will do it for $1000. I once had a '67 MGB GT. I bought it with a bad clutch, but got it for $150, which was a pretty good deal. The first step in replacing the clutch was, "Remove engine". I know how you feel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs, first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought it. They were made so you had to work on them. 1/2" head stud on a TR4 with the strengh of a 1/4" stud. Crap like that. |
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On 4/13/10 4:32 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message m... On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote: On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym About 50 years ago, I worked for Western Electric. In the warehouse. CWA member. A worse than worthless union. Went on strike a while before I went there for 9 weeks. Settled for what ATT offered before the strike. But that is an aside. Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose. I've read a retelling of that story a zillion times. Did you forget about the ones with the coke bottle in the door? You boys need to find some fresher bull****. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:54:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850. More like the 1950s. A lot of people say the 60s was when the US started in the decline from work equaling prosperity and the concept of saving for the future. We had already starting establishing the "borrow and spend" and "the future is now" mentality by the early 70s. I think the combination of Vietnam, the assassinations and Watergate made us a very cynical nation and we never got over it. Bear in mind the last time the government really had a period of sustained budget surplus was in the 1950s and that was without using the SS surplus to tilt the scale. That was also the last time the majority of the people actually trusted the government. Right. With few protection for workers, sexual harassment in the workplace, smoking in the workplace, wage discrimination for women, rampant racism esp. in the south. Sure, a great time. But, industry roared, even if we polluted the landscape. Things have been going in a steady line better since your 1850 peg in the dirt on all of those fronts I picked 1850, since that was pre-Civil War. We polluted like crazy in the 1950s. As usual, the facts are somewhat different: http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/results.htm -- I am not sure what that chart is supposed to prove relative to what I wrote but is says 33% of the people trust the government to mange their finances vs 48% for corporations Don't tell BP. :-) The other truly significant chart is the last one that says 49% of people think the economy is the top concern vs 3% who worry about climate change. I hope they are calling their senator about cap and tax. Right, but the first chart in the list illustrates that most people trust the gov't to do what's right. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. More right wing BS. http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5 -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:36:51 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "Loogypicker" wrote in message ... On Apr 12, 1:08 pm, John H wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:03:10 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the most troublesome car I've owned. I had 2 Hondas that were pretty good and not hard to work on but my current Prelude needs a timing belt and the first line in the shop manual instructions to replace this belt is "remove engine". This is the kind of engineering that GM would be proud of (similar to the old Nova V-8 that required you to loosen a motor mount and raise the engine to get to one of the spark plugs). The difference is, this is not some 4 cylinder econobox that they tried to cram a V-8 in. This car came off the drawing board this way. BTW Honda will do it for $1000. I once had a '67 MGB GT. I bought it with a bad clutch, but got it for $150, which was a pretty good deal. The first step in replacing the clutch was, "Remove engine". I know how you feel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs, first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought it. They were made so you had to work on them. 1/2" head stud on a TR4 with the strengh of a 1/4" stud. Crap like that. Working on the MG was a weekly event. Something *always* needed doing. |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:54:22 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 13/04/2010 4:05 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. and YOU have nothing but bitches. At least he is trying to amke things better. OK i give up. how does standing around with your thumb up your ass bitching 'make things better'? in right wing theology i suppose that happens, but to the sane world, it just looks like you're bitching You just want to squat and pee expecting something for nothing. The always everyone elses fault but mine disease. really? then why is it dems who reduce the deficits, increase middle class salaries, while the GOP gives us unemployment and rewards the rich?...allt he while you bitch really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper You are your own limitation and handycap. if so, let me become a republican. i'll be a superstar |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:24:14 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper Excuses. More excuses. ROFLMAO!!! you guys do nothing but bitch about obama with NO solutions of your own and you say i have excuses??? we just got healthcare passed...guess you forgot about that.... HAHAHHAAHAHAH!!! |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:51:44 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start. No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't other peoples problems. dontcha love the right? 100,000,000 hard working middle class americans get screwed by wall street because the right said the free market is infallible and always works. when it's shown they're wrong they blame it on the middle class.... a perfect argument the rich are never wrong and when they're wrong...they're never wrong |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:58:12 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: wrote in message ... so your idea is just plain...stupid. You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. guess you forgot one thing: you have no solutions. all you do is bitch. you're a failure That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. the tea baggers know nothing. they think wall street is perfect |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:57:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: He doesn't have any rich buddies. He might have drinking buddies... might. he thinks they're rich if they buy him a drink... |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:24:14 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper Excuses. More excuses. ROFLMAO!!! you guys do nothing but bitch about obama with NO solutions of your own and you say i have excuses??? we just got healthcare passed...guess you forgot about that.... HAHAHHAAHAHAH!!! We got healthcare passed? Where does it provide healthcare. Provides that everyone will need to be insured. Does not provide any healthcare. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:51:44 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start. No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't other peoples problems. dontcha love the right? 100,000,000 hard working middle class americans get screwed by wall street because the right said the free market is infallible and always works. when it's shown they're wrong they blame it on the middle class.... a perfect argument the rich are never wrong and when they're wrong...they're never wrong http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...e-economy.aspx Notice who started the deregulation. |
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"hk" wrote in message ... On 4/13/10 4:32 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message m... On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote: On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym About 50 years ago, I worked for Western Electric. In the warehouse. CWA member. A worse than worthless union. Went on strike a while before I went there for 9 weeks. Settled for what ATT offered before the strike. But that is an aside. Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose. I've read a retelling of that story a zillion times. Did you forget about the ones with the coke bottle in the door? You boys need to find some fresher bull****. Can't handle the truth? These are statements by my coworkers. That were on layoff from GM. Even at 18 years old, I knew that was wrong. |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:24:14 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: ROFLMAO!!! you guys do nothing but bitch about obama with NO solutions of your own and you say i have excuses??? we just got healthcare passed...guess you forgot about that.... HAHAHHAAHAHAH!!! We got healthcare passed? Where does it provide healthcare. Provides that everyone will need to be insured. Does not provide any healthcare. IOW you dont know what the bill does |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:30:28 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:51:44 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: when it's shown they're wrong they blame it on the middle class.... a perfect argument the rich are never wrong and when they're wrong...they're never wrong http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...e-economy.aspx Notice who started the deregulation. carter deregulated trucks. reagan started the free market fundamentalism, as the article says, that wrecked the economy |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. More right wing BS. http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5 -- Nom=de=Plume I will come out of ignore for a post. The owners of the Fed are those who own the 12 regional Fed banks. Thosebanks are stock owned corporations. http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm |
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On 4/13/10 9:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:32:07 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose. My inlaws were all GM and Chrysler folks. They say most of those old stories about sabotaging cars were just urban legends but "throwing things over the fence" was pretty common. In the Delco radio shop in Kokomo it became so common that they just changed the policy and let the employees openly buy a new radio as "scrap" for $10. Everyone had a nice radio. They thought nothing of making personal things in the machine shop and coming home with bags of miscellaneous parts. In a lot of cases these were really "scrap". My father in law gave me a grocery bag full of stainless steel bolts to put my pontoon boat together with after he retired. He had been "collecting" them for years. Basically whenever someone took out a box of them and didn't use them all they threw away the rest because it was harder to check them back into "the crib" than it was to order a new box. He just put them in his pocket every day and brought them home. That is not just GM though. IBM threw away a lot of stuff and I couldn't believe what Centex put in their dumpsters.. My first father in law and his brother began becoming millionaires during and after WW II by placing their scrap metal dumpsters on the property of manufacturing facilities in the Mid West and hauling away the scrap "for free." They had a huge, and I mean huge, scrap metal yard. Anyway, my father in law said he was always amazed at the high quality of many of the items tossed in the dumpster as "scrap" at the manufacturing facilities... -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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m... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:51:44 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start. No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't other peoples problems. dontcha love the right? 100,000,000 hard working middle class americans get screwed by wall street because the right said the free market is infallible and always works. when it's shown they're wrong they blame it on the middle class.... a perfect argument the rich are never wrong and when they're wrong...they're never wrong http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...e-economy.aspx Notice who started the deregulation. You're really not even reading your own article link... "[A broad] deregulatory trend begun in the administration of Jimmy Carter .... transformed into a crusade by Ronald Reagan." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. More right wing BS. http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5 -- Nom=de=Plume I will come out of ignore for a post. The owners of the Fed are those who own the 12 regional Fed banks. Thosebanks are stock owned corporations. http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml http://www.apfn.org/apfn/fed_reserve.htm You can post your right wing sites all you want. That doesn't make them factual. Go back into hiding. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 13/04/2010 1:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 07:09:55 -0600, wrote: On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote: On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower income categories pay the price. Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism. Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for those other lazy *******s. Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like Chavez or Castro. Box of rocks in your brain. A $1M annual earner gets taxed at 39% instead of 36% but, in your simple mind, he's now been taxed into a moderate income. Great logic. Wait until you wake up and figure there are not that many million making people to pay 3% more tax to cover Obama's debt spend. Because the rest is coming from the middle class, the lions share. 1% from the middle class is worth more than 100% more of those above a million. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 13/04/2010 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:54:00 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850. More like the 1950s. A lot of people say the 60s was when the US started in the decline from work equaling prosperity and the concept of saving for the future. We had already starting establishing the "borrow and spend" and "the future is now" mentality by the early 70s. I think the combination of Vietnam, the assassinations and Watergate made us a very cynical nation and we never got over it. Bear in mind the last time the government really had a period of sustained budget surplus was in the 1950s and that was without using the SS surplus to tilt the scale. That was also the last time the majority of the people actually trusted the government. Right. With few protection for workers, sexual harassment in the workplace, smoking in the workplace, wage discrimination for women, rampant racism esp. in the south. Sure, a great time. But, industry roared, even if we polluted the landscape. Things have been going in a steady line better since your 1850 peg in the dirt on all of those fronts As usual, the facts are somewhat different: http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/results.htm -- I am not sure what that chart is supposed to prove relative to what I wrote but is says 33% of the people trust the government to mange their finances vs 48% for corporations Don't tell BP. :-) The other truly significant chart is the last one that says 49% of people think the economy is the top concern vs 3% who worry about climate change. I hope they are calling their senator about cap and tax. You mean cap your income and tax the hell out of you. Looking at the government planned budget numbers, holy crap --- they are planing on jacking taxes pretty good in teh next couple of years. If congress does not change for the better in Nov 2010, you can just kiss 15 to 20 more of your pay cheque to Obama and the democriters. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 13/04/2010 10:55 AM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it. Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian (is that even possible?). Or, walk. Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand. You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if any UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo. So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money. I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for under $10K. Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin, Lenin! Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. I suggest you move there and try and say anything negative about the gov't. Please more there. I would prefer Brazil or Panama. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:24:14 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: ROFLMAO!!! you guys do nothing but bitch about obama with NO solutions of your own and you say i have excuses??? we just got healthcare passed...guess you forgot about that.... HAHAHHAAHAHAH!!! We got healthcare passed? Where does it provide healthcare. Provides that everyone will need to be insured. Does not provide any healthcare. IOW you dont know what the bill does Neither does Congress. |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:54:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Wait until you wake up and figure there are not that many million making people to pay 3% more tax to cover Obama's debt spend. Because the rest is coming from the middle class, the lions share. 1% from the middle class is worth more than 100% more of those above a million. yeah. just like you said the economy was collapsing even though it grew at 5% last quarter. and you said unemployment was skyrocketing even though it's dropped by 10% in the last year. anything else you want to be wrong on? do it now! avoid the rush |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:32:07 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Some of my coworkers were laid off from the Fremont GM plant and waiting to be called back to work. They talked about how they would throw an old file in the door as a joke. Laughed that the customer would go crazy trying to find the rattle. Same ones would load up a car coming down the line for a coworker with every option available. Theft, out and out theft. And the union did nothing about these actions. So the unions are just as guilty as management about screwing the golden goose. My inlaws were all GM and Chrysler folks. They say most of those old stories about sabotaging cars were just urban legends but "throwing things over the fence" was pretty common. In the Delco radio shop in Kokomo it became so common that they just changed the policy and let the employees openly buy a new radio as "scrap" for $10. Everyone had a nice radio. They thought nothing of making personal things in the machine shop and coming home with bags of miscellaneous parts. In a lot of cases these were really "scrap". My father in law gave me a grocery bag full of stainless steel bolts to put my pontoon boat together with after he retired. He had been "collecting" them for years. Basically whenever someone took out a box of them and didn't use them all they threw away the rest because it was harder to check them back into "the crib" than it was to order a new box. He just put them in his pocket every day and brought them home. That is not just GM though. IBM threw away a lot of stuff and I couldn't believe what Centex put in their dumpsters.. The Fremont plant was famous as the producer of the crappiest quality cars. |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:58:25 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: Looking at the government planned budget numbers, holy crap --- they are planing on jacking taxes pretty good in teh next couple of years. If congress does not change for the better in Nov 2010, you can just kiss 15 to 20 more of your pay cheque to Obama and the democriters. deficit is down economy is growing unemployment is dropping it just ****es him off that a darkie president did this, but his rich frat boy hero, george bush, screwed it up |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:31:56 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "[A broad] deregulatory trend begun in the administration of Jimmy Carter ... transformed into a crusade by Ronald Reagan." yeah he kinda didn't read his own reference. carter deregulated trucks. reagan was on a free market rampage |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:36:51 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs, first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought it. They were made so you had to work on them. 1/2" head stud on a TR4 with the strengh of a 1/4" stud. Crap like that. All I know about British sports cars is the joke "why don't they put wipers on cars with a Lucas electrical system?" "Because they won't start if it is raining" I knew a few guys who had old TRs, MGs and Healeys but I never had one. My best friend raced TR2,3, 4's. You had to be very careful on the head studs. And retorgue all the time. They were really bad steel, and would go in to the Plastic range very easily. You know why the British drank warm beer? Luca's made refrigerators. |
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On 13/04/2010 2:35 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. Guess then they can loan the government money to bail themselves out. LMAO... I didn't know that. http://blogofbile.com/2009/07/17/gle...hs-connection/ Wow, Goldamn Sachs sure looks like corruption gon mad. Bet a lot of Harvard in there too. I should spend more time reading up on the bankl part of the corruption. Looks like corrupt Goldman Sachs owns our politicians, the best loyalty money can buy. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:03:24 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:29:29 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: IOW you dont know what the bill does Neither does Congress. won't deny that. but what it does do is good. much better than free market medicine |
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On 13/04/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. More right wing BS. http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5 That page is a crock of ****. The US Federal Reserve is creating money, not borrowing it. No one lent the US Federal Reserve $3.7 trillion in 2009 and 2010.... they created it. Only fools and idiots think the government is raising this kind of debt by really borrowing like you or I. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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... On 13/04/2010 10:55 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it. Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian (is that even possible?). Or, walk. Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand. You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if any UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo. So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money. I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for under $10K. Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin, Lenin! Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. I suggest you move there and try and say anything negative about the gov't. Please more there. I would prefer Brazil or Panama. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. No. I'm sorry, but you'll need to move to China. That's the place were you can be truly free of the bad old USA. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On 13/04/2010 3:17 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Goldman Sachs is also the biggest owner of the Federal Reserve. More right wing BS. http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...q/faqfrs.htm#5 That page is a crock of ****. The US Federal Reserve is creating money, not borrowing it. No one lent the US Federal Reserve $3.7 trillion in 2009 and 2010.... they created it. Only fools and idiots think the government is raising this kind of debt by really borrowing like you or I. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Well, free free to believe Rush or whatever source you use to get your "facts." You're an idiot. Did I mention that recently? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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