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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote: uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000 I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine. I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple". that you're dumb is simply fact. that you're a redneck is beyond dispute. that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to begin with. Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments. The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek. The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks. So ask your money manager why you should be paying him? because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's. i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something |
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On 12/04/2010 10:01 AM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 11:17 am, John wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:14:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 12, 10:28 am, wrote: Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare. You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims. Ford deserved kudos not only because they didn't take any fed money, but also because their quality is now better than the rest, including Toyota. Meanwhile GM posted a 4.3 billion dollar loss for the second half of 2009. That butt-ugly Camaro is not going to save them. My Dutch friend, a very liberal guy, commented that the European news is talking about how much the US news is coming out against Toyota...with little or no mention of the other car makers' recalls. They attribute it to the power of the UAW and the attitude of the American press. Well of course the Europeans will say it's the bad Americans that are being unfair... they have their own attitudes. It's pretty common knowledge that the Japanese auto makers have operated using "secret recalls" and warranties for years. They tend to try to save face, when the US car makers were compelled by closer scrutiny here in the states to issue public recalls. Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the most troublesome car I've owned. It had more issues than the two Explorers that came after it. Remind your friend of the US press going after Ford in the Explorer roll-over fiasco. That was trumped-up BS... I hit a chunk of metal on the interstate running 75mph. It hit the front diff, bounced off the gas tank skid plate, and cut a four inch gash in my left rear tire, deflating it instantly. I lifted off the gas, drifted over to the emergency lane, and changed my tire. No drama. The Explorer was no worse than any other SUV for instability, it was just the most popular, with so many on the road the rate of occurance was high. I think it was Car and Driver who rigged up a tire on an Explorer to deflate instantly, and they did a series of tests that showed it was stable. Drivers simply over reacted and caused them to crash. Agree on the UAW though... they are corruption defined. But their days still could be numbered. Many of us, like me, will no longer buy a vehicle if i think it has just once UAW/CAW part in it. Something about picking my tax pocket with huge debts and then asking me to buy their crappy product just gets me angry. 99% of us in these tiems didn't get a bailout. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Apr 12, 9:45*pm, bpuharic wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. tell that to wall street. your wife didn't treat my 401K like a baby treats a diaper. i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any day. |
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On 12/04/2010 9:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare. You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims. Union made with the help of bad management. What a recipe for disaster. Now add corrupt politicians. GM will now be worse than ever. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 12/04/2010 9:28 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 11:18 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare. You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims. Union made with the help of bad management. What a recipe for disaster. Your naivete is boundless. German autoworkers, Japanese autoworkers, Spanish autoworkers, in fact, autoworkers in most democracies are unionized. Even Ferrari autoworkers are unionized. *If* GM and Chrysler are making "substandard" cars, it is entirely the fault of management. Ferrari was profitable when they were non-union. Japanese union is involved in making the company and customer satisfied with the quality. Often dealing with a lazy screw up before management gets to him. Don't know about Spanish and German auto, but from other manufacturing, Germans work smart. $80/hr to sit on your ass in Detroit is what happened. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On Apr 12, 9:00*pm, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 6:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400, wrote: I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and encourage, good quality. * The UAW has never impressed me that way. Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished * track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other * improvements in productivity. You really do not know what you are talking about in your last sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their attempts to bust the unions. 1930s ? That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later. It's time to move on into the 21st century. GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to take the big strike and start sub-contracting out *major sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. *The short term profit motive and politics always won out. *The UAW would target the weakest of the three sisters and everyone else would fall into line. U.S. automaker policy towards unions has not changed since the 1930's. It's still relevant. The union's policy against the very mouths that feed them has not changed in as many years, Lunacy. And the rednecks are still fighting the civil war 150 years later...you need look no farther than the state of virginia and the teabaggers. Yet it is still the same old scalawags and carpetbaggers that continue to propagate the civil war. It's over. Get it? |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12/04/2010 9:45 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:28:34 -0400, wrote: autoworkers in most democracies are unionized. Even Ferrari autoworkers are unionized. *If* GM and Chrysler are making "substandard" cars, it is entirely the fault of management. I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way. Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly arguable. What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other improvements in productivity. Had some personal experience with a related union like that. Had a robot that could reduce defects from 5000 per million ot 30 per million and make it in 1/10th the time. Just before the demo I watched in the corner of my eye as a union guy "tripped" over the power cord. Being previously in a union shop I know it as "spiking". But I was prepared. During the presentation to management I calmly waked over and said "Well we do need to learn to plug these in...and smiled as I knew it would boot and run as I had tested it. The show went off like a dream. They bought it and we had it up and running for a month. Heard 6 months later they turned it off for "spiking". 1 year later the plant went to Asia. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On Apr 12, 11:34*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Apr 12, 9:45*pm, bpuharic wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. *She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. *She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. *There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. tell that to wall street. your wife didn't treat my 401K like a baby treats a diaper. i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any day. My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect me from losing. I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape. It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal. |
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On 12/04/2010 11:46 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 11:45 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:28:34 -0400, wrote: autoworkers in most democracies are unionized. Even Ferrari autoworkers are unionized. *If* GM and Chrysler are making "substandard" cars, it is entirely the fault of management. I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way. Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other improvements in productivity. You really do not know what you are talking about in your last sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their attempts to bust the unions. In other parts of the world, the relationship between the manufacturers and the unions, while adversarial in many countries, is quite different. The auto manufacturers in this country got precisely the relationship with the unions that they deserved. Quality control at an auto plant is entirely the function of management. Tehn they should fire everyone that isn't management and hire "contract" term managers. If they don't get with the plan, then don't renew the 6 month contract. Less benefits and severance that way too. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 12/04/2010 2:55 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 12, 1:15 pm, wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Apr 12, 10:34 am, wrote: On 4/12/10 10:28 AM, Frogwatch wrote: Forbes says that 6 of the 7 worst new cars are being made by GM and Chrysler, the same level of quality we can expect from ObamaCare. You're going to get an ObamaClunker for health care with treatment decided by bureaucrats on the basis of lowest cost. Good Job Dims. No wonder your business is failing; the CEO is insane. GM and Chrysler management ensured their companies made crap cars before the government infusions...and so did Ford's management. Where did you get the idea that his business is failing? Krause is an expert at minding everyone else's business. Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business for no reason including bailouts. If bailouts are needed, CEOs and boards go to jail. And I will not buy UAW/CAW as they help sell us all out pinning the debt on the taxpayers. So screw them. You mean for any reason, not no reason. No problem. I get what you're saying. I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it. Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian (is that even possible?). Or, walk. So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money. I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for under $10K. Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin, Lenin! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12/04/2010 4:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400, wrote: I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way. Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other improvements in productivity. You really do not know what you are talking about in your last sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their attempts to bust the unions. 1930s ? That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later. It's time to move on into the 21st century. GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to take the big strike and start sub-contracting out major sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. The short term profit motive and politics always won out. The UAW would target the weakest of the three sisters and everyone else would fall into line. Yep, auto was at war with union and the taxpayer loses. Say Heil Obama. Sort of sounds like GM in the mid 1930's in Germany. You scum will support the UAW!!! -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote: uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000 I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine. I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple". that you're dumb is simply fact. that you're a redneck is beyond dispute. that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to begin with. Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments. The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek. The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks. So ask your money manager why you should be paying him? because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's. i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet and look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for free. https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to education. |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Apr 12, 11:34 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, bpuharic wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. tell that to wall street. your wife didn't treat my 401K like a baby treats a diaper. i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any day. My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect me from losing. I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape. It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal. Reply: Scary that an idiot like you was able to do it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. and YOU have nothing but bitches. You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:57:02 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. the right gamed the system so we had no choice BUT to bail them out. the right wrote the rules and NOW complains when we have to play by them Goldman Sachs |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Apr 12, 11:34*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any day. My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect me from losing. so you're 25? no surprise. 401k's owned by the young have come back. for those of us who are older, they h avent'. simple matter of mathematics. I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape. It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal. ROFLMAO!! me and 100,000,000 other hard working americans got screwed by your rich buddies on wall street. but glad to see you think we're all stupid. that's the typical view the right has of working americans. |
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On 4/12/10 11:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business for no reason including bailouts. Well, there goes the defense contracting business... :) -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On 4/12/10 11:26 PM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, wrote: Tell that to my ex wife, who worked for GM at the Lordstown OH plant. She's told me the stories about how the workers used to screw GM over for fun, and then sit back and let the union save their jobs, again and again. She intentionally shut down the line one day, and GM couldn't fire her. She knew that, and she and the rest of the union pukes took full advantage of it. There's your quality control, and why GM lost another 4.8 billion in the last 6 months. Uh-huh...sure, Jack. Of course. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On 4/12/10 11:39 PM, Jack wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:00 pm, wrote: On 4/12/10 6:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:46:29 -0400, wrote: I would agree that there are some unions that assist with, and encourage, good quality. The UAW has never impressed me that way. Whether or not that is ultimately the fault of management is certainly arguable.What is perfectly clear is that the UAW has an unblemished track record for opposing the modernization of work rules and other improvements in productivity. You really do not know what you are talking about in your last sentence, nor do you have any understanding of the severely adversarial relationship that has existed between the UAW and the employers of its members for many, many generations, going back to the 1930's and the Ford Motor Company attacks on union members, organizers and pamphleteers. The employers have never let up for a moment in their attempts to bust the unions. 1930s ? That's like red necks still fighting the civil war 150 years later. It's time to move on into the 21st century. GM and Ford could have busted the unions any time they were willing to take the big strike and start sub-contracting out major sub-assemblies to non-union suppliers. The short term profit motive and politics always won out. The UAW would target the weakest of the three sisters and everyone else would fall into line. U.S. automaker policy towards unions has not changed since the 1930's. It's still relevant. The union's policy against the very mouths that feed them has not changed in as many years, Lunacy. And the rednecks are still fighting the civil war 150 years later...you need look no farther than the state of virginia and the teabaggers. Yet it is still the same old scalawags and carpetbaggers that continue to propagate the civil war. It's over. Get it? It's certainly not over in your redneck, racist state. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it. Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian (is that even possible?). Or, walk. Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand. You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if any UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo. So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money. I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for under $10K. Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin, Lenin! Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower income categories pay the price. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On 13/04/2010 4:35 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/12/10 11:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business for no reason including bailouts. Well, there goes the defense contracting business... :) In the long term, doubtful. Obama talks peace, but so did Wilfried Chamberlain. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 4/13/10 8:38 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 13/04/2010 4:35 AM, hk wrote: On 4/12/10 11:10 PM, Canuck57 wrote: Yep. Because I don't support the use of tax dollars for *ANY* business for no reason including bailouts. Well, there goes the defense contracting business... :) In the long term, doubtful. Obama talks peace, but so did Wilfried Chamberlain. Ahh, the point was...you are against government spending going to defense contractors...not your idiotic anti-Obama political views. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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On 12/04/2010 9:31 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote: uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000 I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine. I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple". that you're dumb is simply fact. that you're a redneck is beyond dispute. that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to begin with. Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments. The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek. The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks. So ask your money manager why you should be paying him? because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's. Guess you didn't put enough into your 401K/IRAs then. When that is no one elses fault buy your own stupid self. See the tag line below. i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them So? I MAKE time. Your money is your responsibility. Second, pick a better investment manager or do it yourself. But if you do it yourself I suggest starting small until you learn the ropes. Or stick to safer investments and ease into the rest. Money is attracted to those who know how to manage it. Everyone else in time will lose it. That is why governemnt pays less interest than real-inflation. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 13/04/2010 12:01 AM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote: uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000 I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine. I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple". that you're dumb is simply fact. that you're a redneck is beyond dispute. that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to begin with. Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments. The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek. The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks. So ask your money manager why you should be paying him? because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's. i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet and look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for free. https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to education. Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start. No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't other peoples problems. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 13/04/2010 4:05 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:01:25 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, wrote: i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. and YOU have nothing but bitches. At least he is trying to amke things better. You just want to squat and pee expecting something for nothing. The always everyone elses fault but mine disease. What is the clinical name for the always everyone elses fault but mine disease? You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. really? your arguments are so thoughless and cliche filled it takes about 10 seconds to dispose of them...no longer than a dirty diaper You are your own limitation and handycap. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On 12/04/2010 11:57 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:16:29 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 3:37 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. really? if unregulated capitalism is so great... why isn't lehman brothers around to tell us? what happened to the 9 trillion in 401K's and other investments that wall street told us were safe? Lehman isn't arround as they didn't have the right super rich depositors that Obama, democrat congress and Bush wanted to bailout. ROFLMAO!!! lehman collapsed under BUSH!! they collapsed because the free market folks followed YOUR idea...and that led immediately to the threat of a meltdown. so your idea is just plain...stupid. Carlyle got Lehman's assets for a penny on the dollar, which is where a lot of the bailout money disappeared to. Even at 10 cents on the dollar for the Lehamn bonds Carlyle made a bundle. You should look up Carlyle Groups relationship with the ultra rich and GM. you should look up the market crash of 29. might learn something Lehman crashed for a couple reasons. Bush may have helped. So did the previous couple administrations. And why did Goldman Sachs get bailed out for 100 cents on the dollar and Lehman get 1 cent on the dollar? Those nasty Bush advisors that came out of GS looking after their portfolios and their buddies. Oh, by the way they are Obama's advisors also. Does not seem to be limited to Republican Presidents. Some were Clinton advisors also. Goldman Sachs You only had to look at the top ten cash depositors in each to see why one survived and the other did not. Yep, while Bush started bailouts, the Obama is the king of bailouts and debt-spending, not limited to either party. That is why a Tea Party, they know most representatives are not in line with what is best for the average American. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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On Apr 12, 1:08*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:03:10 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: Many people love their Hondas, but the one Honda I've owned was the most troublesome car I've owned. I had 2 Hondas that were pretty good and not hard to work on but my current Prelude needs a timing belt and the first line in the shop manual instructions to replace this belt is "remove engine". This is the kind of engineering that GM would be proud of (similar to the old Nova V-8 that required you to loosen a motor mount and raise the engine to get to one of the spark plugs). The difference is, this is not some 4 cylinder *econobox that they tried to cram a V-8 in. This car came off the drawing board this way. BTW Honda will do it for $1000. I once had a '67 MGB GT. I bought it with a bad clutch, but got it for $150, which was a pretty good deal. The first step in replacing the clutch was, "Remove engine". I know how you feel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, but the old MG's and Triumphs were made to be worked on, you could take the engine out in a couple of hours! Had two Triumphs, first a 59 TR-4A that I restored and sold, then a bug eyed Sprite that I didn't get around to restoring when someone out of the blue bought it. |
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On 13/04/2010 6:36 AM, hk wrote:
On 4/13/10 8:28 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. Marxist socialism? You really should not be discussion concepts you do not understand. As for entitlements, the real entitlements are those that allow the rich to get richer while those in the middle and lower income categories pay the price. Well taxing the rich back down to a moderate income is socialism. Levels out the earnigns were few people doing it right have to pay for those other lazy *******s. Marxism as Obama now owns more banks a Goverment Motors. Just like Chavez or Castro. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 12/04/2010 9:42 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 12/04/2010 3:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:55:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Real Americans support capitalism and buy Toyotas, Statists buy Government Motors. Wow... so, because GM is using some gov't money to get back to business, you're advocating buying foreign???? The strange thing is a Toyota may have as much American content as a Chevy ... but we bought a Ford (made in Canada, 55% US parts) Actually, if you look it up, often Toyota has much more labour AND parts from North America than GM. And if you look up where Toyota is having problems, the problem parts were made in North America.... Quite a bit of BS and hypocracy from the leftist lunch bucket BSers. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. Right on... blame the Americans. Good show about how you're so pro-American. USA, USA, USA! No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850. The Canuck way, take a stupid pill every morning... just in case. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 12/04/2010 9:46 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: I will not buy a NA made Toyota, GM, Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Nissan, BMW as even though some of their plants may even be NA non-union, they use UAW/CAW parts. Screw them all. I might not be able to change our corrupt politicians agenda, but I don't have to support it. Good! We all should vote with our dollars. When you need a car, buy Canadian (is that even possible?). Or, walk. Not likely I will buy Canadian/American made, too much UAW/CAW in it no mater if it has a foreign or domestic name brand. You can buy a GM. Me, Kia of the boat so I can be sure of minimum if any UAW/CAW input. And certainly not GM, not even the foreign made GM Aveo. So unless these "foreign names" and Ford start importing where the content is 100% non-UAW/CAW I guess they will not see my money. I want fresh off the boat at a world pricing schedule, not a GM or government screw over. I hear the Chinese sell some nice 4x4 SUT for under $10K. Sure thing. Buy Chinese. That'll show them. Support communism! Lenin, Lenin, Lenin! Right now, China is becoming more of a free enterprise market than the USA. As countries shift to the left like Cuba has in the past, it is a downhill ride. Cuba has socialized medical, nothing advanced but it is socialised. You should check out their standard of living. Good part about the USA is in most parts south you will not feeze to death. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. I suggest you move there and try and say anything negative about the gov't. Please more there. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 13/04/2010 12:01 AM, Bill McKee wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:24:37 -0600, wrote: On 12/04/2010 4:35 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:17:27 -0400, wrote: uh no. the market is still about 35% below where it was at 14,000 I am just a dumb old working class redneck and I did fine. I am sitting an a couple "doubles" and a "triple". that you're dumb is simply fact. that you're a redneck is beyond dispute. that your 401K has recovered simply means you had no investments to begin with. Then fire your money manager. I have 3 pools of US investments. The smallest and worst performer is up only 10% from its prior peek. The largest and actively managed is up 30% from prior peaks. The worst performing pool of funds I have is foreign, only up 2% from prior peeks. So ask your money manager why you should be paying him? because i work for a living. wall street told 100,000,000 middle class americans that we didn't need pensions. they TRIED, with bush, to tell us we didn't need social security. they left us ONLY 401k's. i don't have the time to work AND to watch wall street. so now it's time to **** wall street and regulate the **** out of them Bull****! You have nothing but excuses. You have lots of time to learn about investments, about getting an education in economics. You spend almost as many hours a day on here as Harry does. Sign off from newsnet and look at Etrade, Scottrade, or any of the other discount brokers. The all have educational materials available for free. They have seminars for free. https://us.etrade.com/e/t/investingandtrading Etrades portal to education. Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. But still would recommend reading a few books. And discount brokers are sure a lot better than the old style brokerages of the 80's and even early 90's. But still, a good place for a novice to start. No excuses except for the lack of dicipline. Inability to learn isn't other peoples problems. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself with stuff like this. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message
... On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: On Apr 12, 11:34 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:26:46 -0700 (PDT), Jack wrote: i'd trust america to the UAW before i'd trust it to wall street any day. My 401k has bounced back nicely. But then again, I didn't raid it to pay for an over-leveraged house, two big cars I couldn't afford, and work myself into a dead-end job that I expected the union to protect me from losing. so you're 25? no surprise. 401k's owned by the young have come back. for those of us who are older, they h avent'. simple matter of mathematics. I took care of myself, was responsible, and am sitting in good shape. It's called personal responsibility. Scary stuff for a liberal. ROFLMAO!! me and 100,000,000 other hard working americans got screwed by your rich buddies on wall street. but glad to see you think we're all stupid. that's the typical view the right has of working americans. He doesn't have any rich buddies. He might have drinking buddies... might. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 4/13/10 12:57 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message Good points, real good points. Used to be that you would have to go to Amazon and spend a few hundred. Today you can get it all on the internet in seconds. -- You are truly stupid. Have you never heard of a Public Library? Guess who pays for the Public Library. You should really stop embarassing yourself with stuff like this. In fact, you *cannot* get it all on the internet...only superficial "students" believe that. -- http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym |
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... On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:54:03 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: No sane person would argue the fact that the GM problem was 100% made in America. I am pro for the old USA, less corruption, less marxist socialism. Less entitlement. The old USA where people could work hard and get ahead. -- The Liberal way, take no responsibility. The "old USA" ... let me guess 1850. More like the 1950s. A lot of people say the 60s was when the US started in the decline from work equaling prosperity and the concept of saving for the future. We had already starting establishing the "borrow and spend" and "the future is now" mentality by the early 70s. I think the combination of Vietnam, the assassinations and Watergate made us a very cynical nation and we never got over it. Bear in mind the last time the government really had a period of sustained budget surplus was in the 1950s and that was without using the SS surplus to tilt the scale. That was also the last time the majority of the people actually trusted the government. Right. With few protection for workers, sexual harassment in the workplace, smoking in the workplace, wage discrimination for women, rampant racism esp. in the south. Sure, a great time. But, industry roared, even if we polluted the landscape. As usual, the facts are somewhat different: http://www.pstrategies.com/index.php/results.htm -- Nom=de=Plume |
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