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On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:
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How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts
down
on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your
next
"incident"?

Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was
easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've
got
mine, so **** you."



Let's see here ...

John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year
contract
with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents.

You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date.

Who sacrificed more for his?

Eisboch




Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his.

And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily.


I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the
same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid
entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky.
I don't know.

Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the
individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but
I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered.

Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so
responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key,
not what your title or social status is to others.


You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on
the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a
good chunk of pension benefits.

Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said,
it does raise a point.
For some, military or government careers provide the financial and
retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk
of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent
salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about
milking the system.

Eisboch




Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which
is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about
anyone else.

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Nom=de=Plume

Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts.
Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further
you arguments?

Eisboch



Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument.

"Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or
name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of."

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"hk" wrote in message
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On 4/1/10 7:47 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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How's that surgery of the week doing for ya, Johnny Boy? Kinda cuts
down
on hopey-changey for you, eh? Got that surgical suite booked for your
next
"incident"?

Oh...I read the post under question for "content." The content was
easy...it was just a restatement of the usual conservative's "I've
got
mine, so **** you."


Let's see here ...

John earned his for him and his family by fulfilling a 20+ year
contract
with the US military serving at the pleasure at several US Presidents.

You earn yours by keeping your union dues paid up to date.

Who sacrificed more for his?

Eisboch



Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude of his.

And what sacrifice? Herring was in the military voluntarily.

I don't know when John entered military service. I think he's of the
same vintage as you and I, and I know I entered "voluntarily" to avoid
entering "involuntarily". He may not have been so lucky.
I don't know.

Once in, many decide to make it a career. Reasons vary per the
individual. I didn't make it a full career with retirement benefits, but
I did nine years to "pay" for educational programs that were offered.

Everyone makes their way through life in their own way. To do so
responsibly, honestly, raising a family and providing for them is key,
not what your title or social status is to others.


You want sacrifice, consider a factory worker who spends 20 years on
the job and is pink-slipped, losing health care and quite probably a
good chunk of pension benefits.
Maybe they should have joined the Army. Just kidding. But that said,
it does raise a point.
For some, military or government careers provide the financial and
retirement benefits that many seek. Whats wrong with that? The bulk
of the US Senate does the same thing. Career politicians with decent
salaries, fantastic benefits and huge expense accounts. Talk about
milking the system.

Eisboch



Which is nice for both of you, but you didn't address hk's point, which
is that he's basically saying he's got his and he doesn't care about
anyone else.

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Nom=de=Plume
Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts.
Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further
you arguments?

Eisboch



Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument.

"Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking or
name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of."


John's Tri-Care doesn't provide health care to his extended family.
Maybe he is supporting Obama ensuring health care for his brothers and
sisters, sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, grandchildren, etc.
As those relatives apply to him, of course.
You aren't so sick to think he doesn't love them too, are you?
Maybe he just doesn't support the way Obama went about it, ramming it
through without the support of the good people in the Republican party,
and the insurance and hospital industries, who are the experts.
What do libs know about health care? Nothing.
I'm just guessing, and John has to speak for himself.
Why do you suppose the worst?
What has John done to rattle your cage?

Jim - Libs always cherry pick, and deplum is no disappointment.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts.
Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further
you arguments?

Eisboch



Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument.

"Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking
or
name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of."

--
Nom=de=Plume




Supports the argument? Please.

First of all, the statement in question was made by Harry, not John.
Specifically, Harry said, "Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so f&%$
you" attitude of his."

John never said that.

As to your reference, my interpretation is that John was simply stating that
he has his primary responsibilities covered. He paid his dues to accomplish
that. It's too bad many others don't.
But, I don't sense any attitude in his statement that he is not supportive
to those who are less fortunate.

Your first responsibility is to your immediate family. Once those bases are
covered, you should help others, based on your beliefs and principles.

It's the big "R" word preceded by the "P" word. "Personal Responsibility"

Imagine if everyone subscribed to that?

Eisboch

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts.
Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to
further you arguments?

Eisboch



Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument.

"Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking
or
name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of."

--
Nom=de=Plume




Supports the argument? Please.

First of all, the statement in question was made by Harry, not John.
Specifically, Harry said, "Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so
f&%$ you" attitude of his."

John never said that.

He said as I quoted, and I stand by my assessment.


As to your reference, my interpretation is that John was simply stating
that he has his primary responsibilities covered. He paid his dues to
accomplish that. It's too bad many others don't.
But, I don't sense any attitude in his statement that he is not supportive
to those who are less fortunate.

That's both overly generous and isn't supported by much of his posts. He's
continually uninterested in anyone who is less fortunate. Feel free to look
up his many posts. I certainly am not going to do that for you.


Your first responsibility is to your immediate family. Once those bases
are covered, you should help others, based on your beliefs and principles.

It's the big "R" word preceded by the "P" word. "Personal
Responsibility"

Imagine if everyone subscribed to that?

Nothing wrong with personal responsibility. There's a lot wrong with his
attitude about others. As I said, look it up.

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Nom=de=Plume

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Nothing wrong with personal responsibility. There's a lot wrong with his
attitude about others. As I said, look it up.

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Nom=de=Plume


Sorry. I don't play that game. You made the accusations. Back them up.

Eisboch

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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Nothing wrong with personal responsibility. There's a lot wrong with his
attitude about others. As I said, look it up.

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Nom=de=Plume


Sorry. I don't play that game. You made the accusations. Back them up.

Eisboch



I already did. I'm sorry if you're unable to figure it out. You've been here
longer than I and should know.

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Nom=de=Plume

Eisboch wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Sorry, but I've never read that in any of John's posts.
Have you? Or are you just trying to stipulate that as a fact to further
you arguments?

Eisboch


Here's the quote... the last sentence seems to support the argument.

"Nah. Obama will do his thing, and there's nothing any amount of talking
or
name-calling here will do about it. I and mine are taken care of."

--
Nom=de=Plume




Supports the argument? Please.

First of all, the statement in question was made by Harry, not John.
Specifically, Harry said, "Not the point. It's the "I've got mine, so f&%$
you" attitude of his."

John never said that.

As to your reference, my interpretation is that John was simply stating that
he has his primary responsibilities covered. He paid his dues to accomplish
that. It's too bad many others don't.
But, I don't sense any attitude in his statement that he is not supportive
to those who are less fortunate.

Your first responsibility is to your immediate family. Once those bases are
covered, you should help others, based on your beliefs and principles.

It's the big "R" word preceded by the "P" word. "Personal Responsibility"

Imagine if everyone subscribed to that?

Eisboch


Ever hear the song "Imagine" by John Lennon?
That's what he was thinking about when he wrote it, then sang it.
Personal Responsibility.
I just realized that, thanks to your insight.

Jim - Libs don't even understand other libs.