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exhaust hose...with or without wire
looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement,
another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:15:38 -0400, bpuharic wrote:
looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement, another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft Hose is rarely attached directly to a manifold - it would get too hot and quickly burn up. Most often it is attached to something called a "riser" or "elbow" which is the point where raw cooling water is injected into the exhaust flow. All of the exhaust hose that I'm familiar with is wire reinforced. It prevents the hose from collapsing when it is bent into a radius. I guess it's possible that if you had a totally straight run you could get by without the reinforcement but I'd talk with an expert before doing that. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:39:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:15:38 -0400, bpuharic wrote: looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement, another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft Hose is rarely attached directly to a manifold - it would get too hot and quickly burn up. Most often it is attached to something called a "riser" or "elbow" which is the point where raw cooling water is injected into the exhaust flow. yep, the old stuff is connected to the risers.. All of the exhaust hose that I'm familiar with is wire reinforced. It prevents the hose from collapsing when it is bent into a radius. I guess it's possible that if you had a totally straight run you could get by without the reinforcement but I'd talk with an expert before doing that. these are pretty straight runs, but there's no guarantee, i think that, as the hose ages, it couldn't buckle under use... |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
bpuharic wrote:
looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement, another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft Run it into the cabin. Light a fatty and wait for the desired effect. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On 3/23/10 8:21 PM, Larry wrote:
bpuharic wrote: looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement, another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft Run it into the cabin. Light a fatty and wait for the desired effect. Danny Krueger, is that you? |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Mar 23, 5:45*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:39:55 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:15:38 -0400, bpuharic wrote: looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement, another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft Hose is rarely attached directly to a manifold - it would get too hot and quickly burn up. *Most often it is attached to something called a "riser" or "elbow" which is the point where raw cooling water is injected into the exhaust flow. * yep, the old stuff is connected to the risers.. All of the exhaust hose that I'm familiar with is wire reinforced. *It prevents the hose from collapsing when it is bent into a radius. *I guess it's possible that if you had a totally straight run you could get by without the reinforcement but I'd talk with an expert before doing that. these are pretty straight runs, but there's no guarantee, i think that, as the hose ages, it couldn't buckle under use...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, consider the heater hoses n a car. Even in an enclosed system like a car, there is usually a nylon webbing embedded inside the hose and not steel mesh. Now on a radiator hose, especialy on the top hose there is usualy a large "spring" fitting on the inside, to keep the hose from collapsing and still make the hose pliable for shaping but rigid enough to keep it from collapsing on cool down. then again we're laking abotu nclosed systems on cars that run 190 degrees too. Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Mar 23, 6:54*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. *even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). *the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. Woah!. OK, thats for some interesting stuff! |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Mar 23, 6:54 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. Woah!. OK, thats for some interesting stuff! Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On 3/23/10 9:18 PM, Eisboch wrote:
Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch Considering your previous taste in boats, I never could figure out why you bought that last boat. I would have kept the little GB if it were in good shape, since it seemed well-found and also satisfied your need for creature comforts when "bach'ing" it. There were a few American Tugs or whatever that other brand is for sale at a local boatyard. Looked lightly used. You ever look 'em over? |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:18:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... On Mar 23, 6:54 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. Woah!. OK, thats for some interesting stuff! Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch i didn't want to pull the hoses off the risers when i visited the boat on saturday...so i measured the circumference. calculated 3.88" diameter. from this i assume the ID was 3.5" with about a 0.2" thick wall. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
"hk" wrote in message m... On 3/23/10 9:18 PM, Eisboch wrote: Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch Considering your previous taste in boats, I never could figure out why you bought that last boat. I would have kept the little GB if it were in good shape, since it seemed well-found and also satisfied your need for creature comforts when "bach'ing" it. There were a few American Tugs or whatever that other brand is for sale at a local boatyard. Looked lightly used. You ever look 'em over? I may start looking around later in the spring. Right now I am too busy to seriously think about another boat but I am beginning to get the itch again. I've thought about them but for my boating interests a smaller, trailerable type boat just won't hack it. The reason I bought that Mainship Sedan Bridge was because both of the other boats we owned sold within a couple of weeks of each other, meaning the Navigator and the 36 GB. My intention was to keep one of them (whichever didn't sell first) but we received offers that overlapped. Not being 100% sure that either sale would be consummated (contracts favor the buyer), I felt it prudent to accept the offers on both boats. As luck would have it, both passed their respective surveys fine and I was suddenly without a boat for the first time in about 14 years. The Mainship was in decent shape, was not huge bucks, so I bought it just to have a boat for that season. But you are right. It just never grew on me. I liked the GB a lot. It was a different style of boating and very relaxing. But, the Navigator was by far my favorite boat. Not the prettiest boat in the world but built like a small ship, very sea worthy and very comfortable. I recently was informed of a 2001, 48' Ocean Yacht Sportsfish that can be had for short bucks. *Really* short bucks. Owner is a friend of a friend, in his 70's and just wants to get rid of it. Thought about it, but again, just ain't my style. Meanwhile, we still own two slips up here, one for up to a 55 footer and the other for up to a 36 footer. We'll probably hold onto them for a while as they generate income due to seasonal rentals. Slips are hard to come by in MA and if one is in the market for a slip type boat, the first issue to resolve is to find the slip. Eisboch |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Mar 23, 7:54*pm, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. *even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). *the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. my 27' Chris Craft had aluminum piping going down from the manifolds and elbowing toward the back. The hoses were short, and about 4-41/2 " in diameter from what I remember, and bulbous in the middle that connected the elbow to the actual exhaust pipe that went to the transom ports. I take it they were shaped that way for flexibility. You couldn't 90 degree them, but you did have some grace. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:18:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Mar 23, 6:54 pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. Woah!. OK, thats for some interesting stuff! Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch i didn't want to pull the hoses off the risers when i visited the boat on saturday...so i measured the circumference. calculated 3.88" diameter. from this i assume the ID was 3.5" with about a 0.2" thick wall. I've forgotten what size the ones I replaced were, but I am sure they were quite a bit larger. I seem to recall 6" diameter, but can't guaranty that. I know the boatyard had to order them special and they took a couple of weeks to get. They were not formed. Eisboch |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Mar 23, 7:54*pm, bpuharic wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:41:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Bob, if you're running a raw water system I think I'd just the simple stuff with the nylon mesh inside. My hoses on my 350 GM are common from NAPA. *even the ones that carry the water to the manifold risers. Now from the manifolds to the outdrive or exhaust ports in the hull, that might be a different issue that I have no knowledge of. this is actually an inboard (surprising for a 27' boat, but it has a V drive). *the marina guy said i could probably get what i need at the autoparts store, but i don't think they're actually any cheaper. these hoses go from the risers to the muffler, then to the exhaust ports. my 27' Chris Craft had aluminum piping going down from the manifolds and elbowing toward the back. The hoses were short, and about 4-41/2 " in diameter from what I remember, and bulbous in the middle that connected the elbow to the actual exhaust pipe that went to the transom ports. I take it they were shaped that way for flexibility. You couldn't 90 degree them, but you did have some grace. i thought about aluminum but am worried about the effect of hot sal****er....also thought about stainless steel which may be cheaper than the $1.50/ft the yard wants for hose. but have to worry about heat dissipation from the steel into the engine compartment |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:58:51 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message om... On 3/23/10 9:18 PM, Eisboch wrote: Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch Considering your previous taste in boats, I never could figure out why you bought that last boat. I would have kept the little GB if it were in good shape, since it seemed well-found and also satisfied your need for creature comforts when "bach'ing" it. There were a few American Tugs or whatever that other brand is for sale at a local boatyard. Looked lightly used. You ever look 'em over? I may start looking around later in the spring. Right now I am too busy to seriously think about another boat but I am beginning to get the itch again. I've thought about them but for my boating interests a smaller, trailerable type boat just won't hack it. The reason I bought that Mainship Sedan Bridge was because both of the other boats we owned sold within a couple of weeks of each other, meaning the Navigator and the 36 GB. My intention was to keep one of them (whichever didn't sell first) but we received offers that overlapped. Not being 100% sure that either sale would be consummated (contracts favor the buyer), I felt it prudent to accept the offers on both boats. As luck would have it, both passed their respective surveys fine and I was suddenly without a boat for the first time in about 14 years. The Mainship was in decent shape, was not huge bucks, so I bought it just to have a boat for that season. But you are right. It just never grew on me. I liked the GB a lot. It was a different style of boating and very relaxing. But, the Navigator was by far my favorite boat. Not the prettiest boat in the world but built like a small ship, very sea worthy and very comfortable. I recently was informed of a 2001, 48' Ocean Yacht Sportsfish that can be had for short bucks. *Really* short bucks. Owner is a friend of a friend, in his 70's and just wants to get rid of it. Thought about it, but again, just ain't my style. Meanwhile, we still own two slips up here, one for up to a 55 footer and the other for up to a 36 footer. We'll probably hold onto them for a while as they generate income due to seasonal rentals. Slips are hard to come by in MA and if one is in the market for a slip type boat, the first issue to resolve is to find the slip. Eisboch Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. If I were without concern for budget and staying close to shore, I'd be looking at a Fleming Pilothouse 55 or the Ocean Alexander Mark II, a pretty boat in that same range but they're hard to come by. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:29:57 -0400, hk
wrote: On 3/23/10 8:21 PM, Larry wrote: bpuharic wrote: looking to replace exhaust hose...one section has wire reinforcement, another hose on other manifold does not. any thoughts? this stuff isn't under much pressure and i think wire can create local hotspots, leading to the wire tearing loose from the hose over time.... engine is 350 merc on a 27' tollycraft Run it into the cabin. Light a fatty and wait for the desired effect. Danny Krueger, is that you? Danny would indicate there's something chidlish about him. He's just a fat **** who loves fast food and working under a strong woman. |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
"jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch |
exhaust hose...with or without wire
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? |
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On 3/24/10 6:41 AM, D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? Sure. It is spelled D. Duck. That's about all you do here, quacker...troll. |
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hk wrote:
On 3/24/10 6:41 AM, D.Duck wrote: Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? Sure. It is spelled D. Duck. That's about all you do here, quacker...troll. And 99% of the drivel you post here is what? |
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On 3/24/10 6:49 AM, D.Duck wrote:
hk wrote: On 3/24/10 6:41 AM, D.Duck wrote: Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? Sure. It is spelled D. Duck. That's about all you do here, quacker...troll. And 99% of the drivel you post here is what? Quack, quack, quack. |
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hk wrote:
On 3/24/10 6:49 AM, D.Duck wrote: hk wrote: On 3/24/10 6:41 AM, D.Duck wrote: Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? Sure. It is spelled D. Duck. That's about all you do here, quacker...troll. And 99% of the drivel you post here is what? Quack, quack, quack. At least it's not a four letter word. |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? sigh Yep. Even in a genuine, boating related thread. Seems the subject doesn't matter. Politics or boating ... all the same to a troll. Insults are their specialty. Eisboch |
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says... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? sigh Yep. Even in a genuine, boating related thread. Seems the subject doesn't matter. Politics or boating ... all the same to a troll. Insults are their specialty. Eisboch Yeah, Tim and I have talked about that. What do you think it is that makes almost exclusively the "far left" members of this (and most other groups I frequent) group so vulgar and determined to destroy any functioning group they visit? I mean, you look at the most vulgar here, you have Slammer, Harry, JPS, spewing every shocking, pathetic, vulgar, insult at anybody that tries to post here, it's a pattern with the far left, you can't deny it... Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On 3/24/10 7:39 AM, I am Tosk wrote:
Yeah, Tim and I have talked about that. What do you think it is that makes almost exclusively the "far left" members of this (and most other groups I frequent) group so vulgar and determined to destroy any functioning group they visit? I mean, you look at the most vulgar here, you have Slammer, Harry, JPS, spewing every shocking, pathetic, vulgar, insult at anybody that tries to post here, it's a pattern with the far left, you can't deny it... Scotty You talked to Tim about it? Did Tim bring up the dozens of posts of yours that are full of vulgarities and insults? I'll bet he didn't. *Far* left? Me? JPS? Slammer? That's hilarious, and further proof that when brains were handed out, you were in the kitchen, wrenching on your motorbike. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch You are wasting your time trying to sell the merits of that boat to JPS. He couldn't afford one even if he mortgaged his house and sold his girls into slavery. |
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D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous of the fact. |
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On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote: Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous of the fact. Anonymous trolls are the worst. |
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"hk" wrote in message m... On 3/23/10 9:18 PM, Eisboch wrote: Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch Considering your previous taste in boats, I never could figure out why you bought that last boat. I would have kept the little GB if it were in good shape, since it seemed well-found and also satisfied your need for creature comforts when "bach'ing" it. There were a few American Tugs or whatever that other brand is for sale at a local boatyard. Looked lightly used. You ever look 'em over? If I could convince the Crown Corp I worked for to double my modest pension, that's the type of boat I'd take command of. Up here, we need something seaworthy & comfortable for coastal cruising... especially with a somewhat short, usually damp, boating season. |
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"anon-e-moose" wrote in message ... You are wasting your time trying to sell the merits of that boat to JPS. He couldn't afford one even if he mortgaged his house and sold his girls into slavery. Depending on what you are buying a boat for, you can have just as much enjoyment in a less expensive, older and/or smaller boat. I did for years. The old '82 Century I had was a POS, problems up the kazoo and it handled like a brick. But I enjoyed it and I learned quite a bit about boating on it, as I did on several more older boats I owned over the years. Later when retirement was around the corner and my boating interests changed I found myself in the market for a serious, safe, offshore boat that could also be lived on for extended periods of time. That's when I discovered the Navigator line, researched it's history and builder's credentials and reputation and talked to experienced people who were familiar with them, including highly qualified marine surveyors. I became convinced after talking to a boat captain who makes his living delivering larger boats up and down the east coast. I asked him of all the boats he had delivered over the years in good weather, bad weather, rough seas and calm, which one would he pick if he needed to pick only one to make a trip from MA to Florida in. His answer (without hesitation) was the Navigator and he then proceeded to tell me why. Eisboch |
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On 3/24/10 8:34 AM, Don White wrote:
wrote in message m... On 3/23/10 9:18 PM, Eisboch wrote: Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace. Big honking hoses. The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from the risers to the mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard where I bought the boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it. Now boatless. Miss the Navigator. Eisboch Considering your previous taste in boats, I never could figure out why you bought that last boat. I would have kept the little GB if it were in good shape, since it seemed well-found and also satisfied your need for creature comforts when "bach'ing" it. There were a few American Tugs or whatever that other brand is for sale at a local boatyard. Looked lightly used. You ever look 'em over? If I could convince the Crown Corp I worked for to double my modest pension, that's the type of boat I'd take command of. Up here, we need something seaworthy& comfortable for coastal cruising... especially with a somewhat short, usually damp, boating season. I liked the looks of that Navigator...looked "shippy" to me. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:19:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. You give yourself too much credit. I was moored next to one and invited aboard for three years. I never warmed to it's design, although I can appreciate that they appeal to some. It's a square design that makes it look like a block on water. Reminds me of the Disney cruise vessels. I'm sure it's an excellent boat if you say so. If that's what floats your boat, you should go get another? I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I couldn't help but notice their rapid decline in value as I tracked what was being bought and sold around Seattle. They've sold quite few up here and they're certainly impressive looking but not pretty. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. No, don't think I will Richard but thanks for that advice. Notice you didn't comment on the Fleming or the OE. My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built. Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s. And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:30:19 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? sigh Yep. Even in a genuine, boating related thread. Seems the subject doesn't matter. Politics or boating ... all the same to a troll. Insults are their specialty. Eisboch Think you're just a bit too sensitive, Richard. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:54:53 -0400, hk
wrote: On 3/24/10 7:39 AM, I am Tosk wrote: Yeah, Tim and I have talked about that. What do you think it is that makes almost exclusively the "far left" members of this (and most other groups I frequent) group so vulgar and determined to destroy any functioning group they visit? I mean, you look at the most vulgar here, you have Slammer, Harry, JPS, spewing every shocking, pathetic, vulgar, insult at anybody that tries to post here, it's a pattern with the far left, you can't deny it... Scotty You talked to Tim about it? Did Tim bring up the dozens of posts of yours that are full of vulgarities and insults? I'll bet he didn't. *Far* left? Me? JPS? Slammer? That's hilarious, and further proof that when brains were handed out, you were in the kitchen, wrenching on your motorbike. Yes, I'm a tree hugger and a yuppie, all at the same time. A multipurpose target for the righties, most of which in here are the inverse of tree huggers. I'm a fiscal moderate and a social liberal. Seems to fit the description of most sentient beings, save for the idiots herein who subscribe to "**** you, I don't care if I've got mine, I'm defending those that do." |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:24:33 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote: Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch You are wasting your time trying to sell the merits of that boat to JPS. He couldn't afford one even if he mortgaged his house and sold his girls into slavery. Is that how you finance your boats? What boat have you? The last boat I bought was with cash. Tolly 40 sundeck in pristine condition. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:54:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"anon-e-moose" wrote in message .. . You are wasting your time trying to sell the merits of that boat to JPS. He couldn't afford one even if he mortgaged his house and sold his girls into slavery. Depending on what you are buying a boat for, you can have just as much enjoyment in a less expensive, older and/or smaller boat. I did for years. The old '82 Century I had was a POS, problems up the kazoo and it handled like a brick. But I enjoyed it and I learned quite a bit about boating on it, as I did on several more older boats I owned over the years. Later when retirement was around the corner and my boating interests changed I found myself in the market for a serious, safe, offshore boat that could also be lived on for extended periods of time. That's when I discovered the Navigator line, researched it's history and builder's credentials and reputation and talked to experienced people who were familiar with them, including highly qualified marine surveyors. I became convinced after talking to a boat captain who makes his living delivering larger boats up and down the east coast. I asked him of all the boats he had delivered over the years in good weather, bad weather, rough seas and calm, which one would he pick if he needed to pick only one to make a trip from MA to Florida in. His answer (without hesitation) was the Navigator and he then proceeded to tell me why. Eisboch Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and manufactured, he could only site Navigator? Was he a friend of the broker? |
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On 3/24/10 11:50 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:54:53 -0400, wrote: On 3/24/10 7:39 AM, I am Tosk wrote: Yeah, Tim and I have talked about that. What do you think it is that makes almost exclusively the "far left" members of this (and most other groups I frequent) group so vulgar and determined to destroy any functioning group they visit? I mean, you look at the most vulgar here, you have Slammer, Harry, JPS, spewing every shocking, pathetic, vulgar, insult at anybody that tries to post here, it's a pattern with the far left, you can't deny it... Scotty You talked to Tim about it? Did Tim bring up the dozens of posts of yours that are full of vulgarities and insults? I'll bet he didn't. *Far* left? Me? JPS? Slammer? That's hilarious, and further proof that when brains were handed out, you were in the kitchen, wrenching on your motorbike. Yes, I'm a tree hugger and a yuppie, all at the same time. A multipurpose target for the righties, most of which in here are the inverse of tree huggers. I'm a fiscal moderate and a social liberal. Seems to fit the description of most sentient beings, save for the idiots herein who subscribe to "**** you, I don't care if I've got mine, I'm defending those that do." Scotty is a teabagger in a girlie hairdo. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:26:23 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote: D.Duck wrote: Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid the depreciation. You are entitled to your opinion. Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are constructed? Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers and the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not. Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited comments simply because I owned one. I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago. I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well. Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor. Eisboch Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ? It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous of the fact. I'd certainly like to have the safety net and disposable income that Richard has achieved but I wouldn't trade my life for his. I'm 10 to 15 years behind him and on my way to a similar business event that'll liquidate my ownership, maybe more or less but that matters not. I have nothing against Richard but I certainly disagree with his politics and reticence to explain himself. When he's pressed, he says he doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks but then later admits he does. I'm sure he'll clarify it by saying that he doesn't give a **** what *I* think but that's just bluster. |
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