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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?

It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.

Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.

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"jps" wrote in message
...

Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and
manufactured, he could only site Navigator?


I didn't say that. You did. I asked him what boat, (of that relative
size) based on his years of experience of running boats up and down the
east coast, in all kinds of conditions, would he choose to make the trip in
if he had the choice. And then he backed it up with reasons and examples.
They are not important here because you wouldn't be interested.

You really shouldn't try to spin a comment into something other than what it
was.

Eisboch

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:24:33 -0400, anon-e-moose
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main stringers
and
the general construction and design of the important elements of a boat?
Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30 miles offshore on one?
Have
you owned one? Ever spent any serious time underway on one? Have you
piloted one in rough seas? Handled one in close quarter maneuvering?
I
suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments
simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built
from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the same
boat
as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and boat line which
he
sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions of
seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had but I
doubt
they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that the difference
in
what I originally paid for it and what I sold it for almost 9 years
later
represented an excessive "hit", depreciation-wise. Very few new boats
hold
their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch



You are wasting your time trying to sell the merits of that boat to JPS.
He couldn't afford one even if he mortgaged his house and sold his girls
into slavery.

Is that how you finance your boats? What boat have you?

The last boat I bought was with cash. Tolly 40 sundeck in pristine
condition.


Tollycraft built a nice boat. Not my style, but they are well built.

Eisboch

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"jps" wrote in message
...

My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on
the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room
the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built.
Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is
significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They
were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s.

And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting.

Ah yes. DD 3208s. Throwaway diesels.

Eisboch

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"jps" wrote in message
...


You give yourself too much credit. I was moored next to one and
invited aboard for three years.

Wow. Did they let you sit at the helm chair too?

Eisboch

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On 3/24/10 12:04 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?

It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.

Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.

There's not much dumber than a duck, unless, of course, it is a
right-wing duck. :)

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jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.


You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?
It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.
Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.


Read for content, the Duck didn't write that.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and
manufactured, he could only site Navigator?


I didn't say that. You did. I asked him what boat, (of that relative
size) based on his years of experience of running boats up and down the
east coast, in all kinds of conditions, would he choose to make the trip in
if he had the choice. And then he backed it up with reasons and examples.
They are not important here because you wouldn't be interested.

You really shouldn't try to spin a comment into something other than what it
was.

Eisboch

I didn't spin anything. I would have asked him what else he liked and
hoped that he'd mention something with some style and grace.

It is a boat after all, not a barge.

One of the greatest pleasures I have found in boat ownership is
admiring the lines and grace of the boat's design, as well as its
construction, layout and operation.

It helps make the maintenance go easier. I wouldn't want to wash and
wax something I considered ugly.

Make any sense?

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:13:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on
the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room
the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built.
Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is
significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They
were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s.

And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting.

Ah yes. DD 3208s. Throwaway diesels.

Eisboch

That's a religious argument. They're also available with the Detroit
8.2, or 671s.

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hk wrote:
On 3/24/10 11:50 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:54:53 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 7:39 AM, I am Tosk wrote:


Yeah, Tim and I have talked about that. What do you think it is that
makes almost exclusively the "far left" members of this (and most other
groups I frequent) group so vulgar and determined to destroy any
functioning group they visit?

I mean, you look at the most vulgar here, you have Slammer, Harry, JPS,
spewing every shocking, pathetic, vulgar, insult at anybody that tries
to post here, it's a pattern with the far left, you can't deny it...

Scotty


You talked to Tim about it? Did Tim bring up the dozens of posts of
yours that are full of vulgarities and insults? I'll bet he didn't.

*Far* left? Me? JPS? Slammer? That's hilarious, and further proof that
when brains were handed out, you were in the kitchen, wrenching on your
motorbike.

Yes, I'm a tree hugger and a yuppie, all at the same time.

A multipurpose target for the righties, most of which in here are the
inverse of tree huggers.

I'm a fiscal moderate and a social liberal. Seems to fit the
description of most sentient beings, save for the idiots herein who
subscribe to "**** you, I don't care if I've got mine, I'm defending
those that do."


Scotty is a teabagger in a girlie hairdo.

You fiscal moderate social libs like jps, krause, plume and the rest
want to keep your own money and spend other folks money on your feel
good social programs. **** all of you.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:15:16 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .


You give yourself too much credit. I was moored next to one and
invited aboard for three years.

Wow. Did they let you sit at the helm chair too?

Eisboch

Yes, I grabbed the wheel and went back and forth and said "wheeee"
just to impress the owner, who has sold Microsoft vestment to
purchase.

That boat was for sale a couple of years later for a ****load less
than what he paid. His stock wasn't worth what it once was, neither
was his boat.

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"jps" wrote in message
...

I'm 10 to 15 years behind him and on my way to a similar business event
that'll
liquidate my ownership, maybe more or less but that matters not.


When I was 10 to 15 years from my "event" I couldn't imagine it happening
let alone see it coming or plan for it.

You must be smart.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:42:18 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:34 AM, Don White wrote:
wrote in message
m...
On 3/23/10 9:18 PM, Eisboch wrote:


Sounds like the type that was on the last boat I had and had to replace.
Big honking hoses.
The engines were the MercCruiser (GM) 454ci and the hoses that ran from
the
risers to the
mufflers were either 4" or 6" diameter. (can't remember). The boat yard
where I bought the
boat located and installed them. I never liked that boat. Sold it.
Now
boatless. Miss the Navigator.

Eisboch



Considering your previous taste in boats, I never could figure out why you
bought that last boat. I would have kept the little GB if it were in good
shape, since it seemed well-found and also satisfied your need for
creature comforts when "bach'ing" it.

There were a few American Tugs or whatever that other brand is for sale at
a local boatyard. Looked lightly used. You ever look 'em over?

If I could convince the Crown Corp I worked for to double my modest pension,
that's the type of boat I'd take command of.
Up here, we need something seaworthy& comfortable for coastal cruising...
especially with a somewhat short, usually damp, boating season.



I liked the looks of that Navigator...looked "shippy" to me.

As in Disney floating hotel?

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D.Duck wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having
paid
the depreciation.


You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?
It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.
Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.


Read for content, the Duck didn't write that.

Matters not to krawsee. He'll attack anyone that isn't on board with
Oh-bammy's save the unions screw everyone else plan.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:37:29 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

I'm 10 to 15 years behind him and on my way to a similar business event
that'll
liquidate my ownership, maybe more or less but that matters not.


When I was 10 to 15 years from my "event" I couldn't imagine it happening
let alone see it coming or plan for it.

You must be smart.

Eisboch

Thanks Richard. Perhaps not as smart as you but I'm still working on
it.

We're in an industry that's getting a lot of attention. Our
technology helps integrate disparate technologies that weren't
designed or engineered to work with others. Silos.

Being able to aggregate technical capabiities from different
manufacturers is attractive to those having to choose the best fit for
specific requirements.

It's reasonable to assume that any number of companies who operate in
this space will find that capability attractive and want to own it or
keep it from the hands of competitors.

I don't care which.

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In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...


You give yourself too much credit. I was moored next to one and
invited aboard for three years.

Wow. Did they let you sit at the helm chair too?

Eisboch

LOL

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hk wrote:
On 3/24/10 12:04 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having
paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?

It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.

Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.

There's not much dumber than a duck, unless, of course, it is a
right-wing duck. :)


This duck has two wings and they both function.

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In article ,
says...

jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having paid
the depreciation.


You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?
It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is Jealous
of the fact.
Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.


Read for content, the Duck didn't write that.

Isn't this the same guy who asked Dick if the "guy could only *site*
Navigator"? Pfffft. I love it when the pseudo-intellectuals try to be
spelling cops.

Scotty

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On 3/24/10 1:24 PM, D.Duck wrote:
hk wrote:
On 3/24/10 12:04 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:27:30 -0400,
wrote:

On 3/24/10 8:26 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
Navigator, big plastic boat. Never liked the lines or the look and
they drop value pretty quick. Somebody was happy with you having
paid
the depreciation.



You are entitled to your opinion.

Ever been in one in 8 foot confused seas? Ever seen how they are
constructed?
Ever been in the engine spaces and seen the size of the main
stringers and the general construction and design of the important
elements of a boat? Ever spent 10 hours a day at cruise speed, 30
miles offshore on one? Have you owned one? Ever spent any serious
time underway on one? Have you piloted one in rough seas? Handled
one
in close quarter maneuvering? I suspect not.

Something tells me you don't like them and made your unsolicited
comments simply because I owned one.

I agree they are not "pretty" in the eyes of all, but they are
highly
regarded in marine surveyor's circles as being very well designed
and
built from a marine engineering point of view. They are basically
the
same boat as a Californian Yacht, the original Marshall design and
boat line which he sold and then purchased back a few years ago.

I could recite the main reason I decided to buy one, and the
opinions
of seasoned, larger boat owners who were underway on the one I had
but I doubt they would be meaningful to you. I also don't think that
the difference in what I originally paid for it and what I sold it
for almost 9 years later represented an excessive "hit",
depreciation-wise. Very few new boats hold their value well.

Don't quit your day job to become a marine surveyor.

Eisboch

Can you spell T-R-O-L-L ?

It's more than that. Eisbock is obviously successful and JPS is
Jealous
of the fact.

Anonymous trolls are the worst.

You can tell that the duck keeps a sharp eye on things. So much so
that he doesn't know how to spell Richard's handle.

There's not much dumber than a duck, unless, of course, it is a
right-wing duck. :)


This duck has two wings and they both function.


Really? You must keep the other wing hidden.

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On 3/24/10 1:26 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

Isn't this the same guy who asked Dick if the "guy could only *site*
Navigator"? Pfffft. I love it when the pseudo-intellectuals try to be
spelling cops.

Scotty


Q. With your pre-existing heart condition and hospital history, how did
you obtain ordinary health insurance, as you claimed here?

A. You didn't.

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All in all to try to get back on track here.


Bob, I would think that if the non meshed hose worked fine it should
do be3cause it's obviosly not a pressurized system . If it can save
you some bread. If it's not a large diffrence in price, then go with
the better stuff.

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Tim wrote:
All in all to try to get back on track here.


Bob, I would think that if the non meshed hose worked fine it should
do be3cause it's obviosly not a pressurized system . If it can save
you some bread. If it's not a large diffrence in price, then go with
the better stuff.

The wire reinforced hose keeps it rigid so that it wont sag and possibly
present a hot spot problem. Long straight runs generally require the
wire reinforced hose.

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..

Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and
manufactured, he could only site Navigator?


I didn't say that. You did. I asked him what boat, (of that relative
size) based on his years of experience of running boats up and down the
east coast, in all kinds of conditions, would he choose to make the trip
in
if he had the choice. And then he backed it up with reasons and examples.
They are not important here because you wouldn't be interested.

You really shouldn't try to spin a comment into something other than what
it
was.

Eisboch

I didn't spin anything. I would have asked him what else he liked and
hoped that he'd mention something with some style and grace.

It is a boat after all, not a barge.

One of the greatest pleasures I have found in boat ownership is
admiring the lines and grace of the boat's design, as well as its
construction, layout and operation.

It helps make the maintenance go easier. I wouldn't want to wash and
wax something I considered ugly.

Make any sense?


To a point.

When I was shopping for a larger, live-aboard type boat I was equally
interested in the engineering aspects of the boat, how well it was
constructed and how it handled and rode in various sea states. At the time
I had dreams of doing a lot of ocean going travel. Didn't exactly work out
as planned for other reasons, but that was the critera at the time for boat
selection.

The delivery captain told me the following story when I asked him what boat
he would pick for an offshore type trip:

He had been hired by many different people over the years ... dealers and
private owners ..... to run boats up and down the coast and had experience
in virtually all the name brands. He was bringing the Navigator up from
Florida for a local dealer. As you are probably aware, these guys typically
have a qualified person to run the boat with them on these runs and they run
24 hours a day, stopping only for refueling.

He was coming up the coast in the fall and was running a mile or so behind a
similarly sized Hatteras that was being delivered by another delivery
captain who he knew. The seas were becoming increasingly rough and, as the
saying goes, both boats were taking it "on the nose". They were
communicating by radio and the Hatteras captain indicated he was backing off
on the throttle more and more as the seas worsened.

The guy in the Navigator was not in any discomfort in the same seas and was
slowly gaining on the Hatteras. Finally, as he passed him, the captain of
the Hatteras fell in behind the Navigator, riding in it's wake.

That's why I decided to buy the Navigator after looking at many boats.

Eisboch

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:28:56 -0400, hk
wrote:

On 3/24/10 1:26 PM, I am Tosk wrote:

Isn't this the same guy who asked Dick if the "guy could only *site*
Navigator"? Pfffft. I love it when the pseudo-intellectuals try to be
spelling cops.

Scotty


Q. With your pre-existing heart condition and hospital history, how did
you obtain ordinary health insurance, as you claimed here?

A. You didn't.

As if Snotty is in a position to determine what is intellectual. Maybe
his daughter will clue him in someday if she her brain doesn't get
mashed too many times.

Maybe he's hoping she'll turn out to be a chip off the old block.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:14:04 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...

Holy crap. Out of the thousands of boats designed, engineered and
manufactured, he could only site Navigator?


I didn't say that. You did. I asked him what boat, (of that relative
size) based on his years of experience of running boats up and down the
east coast, in all kinds of conditions, would he choose to make the trip
in
if he had the choice. And then he backed it up with reasons and examples.
They are not important here because you wouldn't be interested.

You really shouldn't try to spin a comment into something other than what
it
was.

Eisboch

I didn't spin anything. I would have asked him what else he liked and
hoped that he'd mention something with some style and grace.

It is a boat after all, not a barge.

One of the greatest pleasures I have found in boat ownership is
admiring the lines and grace of the boat's design, as well as its
construction, layout and operation.

It helps make the maintenance go easier. I wouldn't want to wash and
wax something I considered ugly.

Make any sense?


To a point.

When I was shopping for a larger, live-aboard type boat I was equally
interested in the engineering aspects of the boat, how well it was
constructed and how it handled and rode in various sea states. At the time
I had dreams of doing a lot of ocean going travel. Didn't exactly work out
as planned for other reasons, but that was the critera at the time for boat
selection.

The delivery captain told me the following story when I asked him what boat
he would pick for an offshore type trip:

He had been hired by many different people over the years ... dealers and
private owners ..... to run boats up and down the coast and had experience
in virtually all the name brands. He was bringing the Navigator up from
Florida for a local dealer. As you are probably aware, these guys typically
have a qualified person to run the boat with them on these runs and they run
24 hours a day, stopping only for refueling.

He was coming up the coast in the fall and was running a mile or so behind a
similarly sized Hatteras that was being delivered by another delivery
captain who he knew. The seas were becoming increasingly rough and, as the
saying goes, both boats were taking it "on the nose". They were
communicating by radio and the Hatteras captain indicated he was backing off
on the throttle more and more as the seas worsened.

The guy in the Navigator was not in any discomfort in the same seas and was
slowly gaining on the Hatteras. Finally, as he passed him, the captain of
the Hatteras fell in behind the Navigator, riding in it's wake.

That's why I decided to buy the Navigator after looking at many boats.

Eisboch

It's a nice anecdote to support your purchase although you don't
mention model, size, year of Hatt. I suppose I'm too hung up on the
looks to consider that which I don't feel is attractive -- like
picking a wife with a great personality and body but a face like a
trucker. Shoot me, I have some vanity.

I'm sure the Navigator could be compared favorably to a number of
yachts capable of excellent seakeeping.

If you were having thoughts of motoring oceans, why not consider the
long range trawlers that are so popular? Too slow?

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On Mar 24, 12:08*pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote:
All in all to try to get back on track here.

Bob, I would think that if the non meshed hose worked fine it should
do because it's obviosly not a pressurized system *. If it can save
you some bread. *If it's not a large diffrence in price, then go with
the better stuff.

The wire reinforced hose keeps it rigid so that it wont sag and possibly
present a hot spot problem. Long straight runs generally require the
wire reinforced hose.

Yeah, I forgot about the long runs. So, I'd say you're probably
right. But then again. I wonder which design of hose was origional
equipment and which was the replacement?

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Tim wrote:
On Mar 24, 12:08 pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote:
All in all to try to get back on track here.
Bob, I would think that if the non meshed hose worked fine it should
do because it's obviosly not a pressurized system . If it can save
you some bread. If it's not a large diffrence in price, then go with
the better stuff.
The wire reinforced hose keeps it rigid so that it wont sag and possibly
present a hot spot problem. Long straight runs generally require the
wire reinforced hose.

Yeah, I forgot about the long runs. So, I'd say you're probably
right. But then again. I wonder which design of hose was origional
equipment and which was the replacement?

Which looks older?

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D.Duck wrote:
hk wrote:


That's about all you do here, quacker...troll.

And 99% of the drivel you post here is what?

Very good. Most here would have said dribble.
Nice to see a poster with education, paying attention to what he says.
I do believe you are the intellectual of rec.boats.
That you seldom post here tends to confirm that.

Jim - Easing off bashing dumb libs for a moment.

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On Mar 24, 1:26*pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 24, 12:08 pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote:
All in all to try to get back on track here.
Bob, I would think that if the non meshed hose worked fine it should
do because it's obviosly not a pressurized system *. If it can save
you some bread. *If it's not a large diffrence in price, then go with
the better stuff.
The wire reinforced hose keeps it rigid so that it wont sag and possibly
present a hot spot problem. Long straight runs generally require the
wire reinforced hose.

Yeah, I forgot about the long runs. *So, I'd say you're probably
right. But then again. I wonder which design of hose was origional
equipment and which was the replacement?

Which looks older?

True to a degree.

If the inferior hose is baked and 'weather cracked' etc. I suppose it
could look older.

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On Mar 24, 1:26*pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Mar 24, 12:08 pm, anon-e-moose wrote:
Tim wrote:
All in all to try to get back on track here.
Bob, I would think that if the non meshed hose worked fine it should
do because it's obviosly not a pressurized system *. If it can save
you some bread. *If it's not a large diffrence in price, then go with
the better stuff.
The wire reinforced hose keeps it rigid so that it wont sag and possibly
present a hot spot problem. Long straight runs generally require the
wire reinforced hose.

Yeah, I forgot about the long runs. *So, I'd say you're probably
right. But then again. I wonder which design of hose was origional
equipment and which was the replacement?

Which looks older?

I jsut went out to the barn to look at rthe engine from my old Chris
craft and the rubber hoses were sill attached to the manifolds. They
are a very thick rubber hose which reminds me of hydrolic hose. The
type with the rib ply's on the outside. or you might say like a tire
turned insid out. There is no steel mesh or evidence of a spring
inside.

And they were origional from 1964.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:13:02 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...

My next is the Tollycraft 44 (or 45 later) can be had reasonably on
the east coast and, although they don't have the kind of engine room
the larger Navigators have, they are seaworthy and very well built.
Everything is glassed in, the hulls are thick, hand laid, dead rise is
significant enough to give it excellent seakeeping abilities. They
were given either 3208s or Detroit 8.2s.

And, to me it's good looking. The 48 is also worth noting.

Ah yes. DD 3208s. Throwaway diesels.

Eisboch

That's a Cat 3208. Four stroke as opposed to Detroit's two strokes.

I have heard the throw away line too. I have seen them outlast the running
time meter. I have also seen Detroits that wear out piston seals and suck
the crankcase oil. Run off until the crank goes out the bottom of the
block. That is also a throw away, along with the boat in some cases.

Key is maintance.

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On Mar 25, 8:59*am, Bubba wrote:

That's a Cat 3208. Four stroke as opposed to Detroit's two strokes.

I have heard the throw away line too. I have seen them outlast the running
time meter. I have also seen Detroits that wear out piston seals and suck
the crankcase oil. Run off until the crank goes out the bottom of the
block. That is also a throw away, along with the boat in some cases.

Key is maintance.- Hide quoted text -

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The 8.2 Detroit was actually a v-8 naturally aspirated 4 cycle. It
was reliable and was actually built to combat against the IH DT 466.
But the DT 466 was still better.

Really , It was a bigger engine but the detroit 8.2 was an over
grown version of the 6.2.. They did the job but with no frills.