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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Actually I was watching Chris Matthews on MSNBC. I don't even know what channel Fox News is on and, other than newsclips, have never listened to Rush. Eisboch You should! It's enlightening to hear the propaganda and hate firsthand. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually, there's enough propaganda and hate right here in rec.boats. Eisboch I agree! Most of it comes from the right-nutcases, but there are a few on the left who contribute. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Eisboch wrote: wrote in message ... The plan they are voting on is nothing like either of these. It really isn't a plan at all. The fact that Obama wants it passed, with the admission that they will tweak it later, ****es me off. This is unprecedented. He's on some personal time frame and doesn't seem to really care what the meat of the plan is. I feel the same way. I've been watching interviews with some of the Congress members who are on the fence regarding their vote on Sunday. Most are still seeking specific definitions of certain details of "the plan". It has been debated for a year and they still aren't sure what they are voting for? In the end it will pass due to an enormous amount of arm twisting and backroom deals. Heh. One member of Congress was calling this bill "the most transparent" proposal (to the public) that he had ever witnessed in his 40 years of elected office. But when pressed for specific answers, he still wasn't sure exactly what some parts of the bill were, what the language meant or what the ramifications would be. But, he's leaning towards a "Yes". Eisboch America certainly got "Change". Actually, less than we wanted. I don't think enough has been done to fix the economy and fix healthcare. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... hk wrote: On 3/19/10 9:11 PM, Larry wrote: HK wrote: On 3/19/10 7:14 AM, Eisboch wrote: wrote in message m... If you are indigent, and turn up at a for-profit hospital with a serious condition, the best you can hope for is short-term stabilization, the cheapest course of treatment, and a short supply of the cheapest drugs. You are not going to see the high-dollar docs, either. Conservatives have been perpetuating this myth of "they have to take you" for decades, as if that means the indigent will get good care. Well, they don't...they get the band-aid level of care for their chronic conditions. I think the concern is that with a government regulated and mandated health care system, the quality of *all* care will trend to that which you have described. Before you jump, understand this: Universal health care is something I support. It's one of the few liberal leanings that I have. But, here's one problem as I see it: Regardless of how fair and standardized health care becomes, there will always be more expensive doctors and optional treatments/services for those who can afford to pay for them. When it comes to life or death, how can anyone rationalize that those who can afford non-standardized treatments deserve to benefit from them while others can not? The debate will start all over again. Eisboch If we cannot extend full Medicare to everyone, then I favor the Swiss system...a number of insurance companies offering a basic plan. All Swiss must have a basic plan. If you can't afford it, it is subsidized. All the basic plans provide the same coverage at the same price. Each basic plan also offers a number of options for those who want them and can afford them. Thus, and this is a made up example, if you need cancer surgery, you get it under the basic plan. If you want bigger teats, and the "want" is only for cosmetic reasons, you have to have one of the supplemental plans if you want insurance coverage for it. Frankly, I think the "free market system" is dead. These days, it only works for the wealthiest. It used to work for everyone willing to work. Those days are gone. The plan they are voting on is nothing like either of these. It really isn't a plan at all. The fact that Obama wants it passed, with the admission that they will tweak it later, ****es me off. This is unprecedented. He's on some personal time frame and doesn't seem to really care what the meat of the plan is. It's what may be passable. It is obvious the Republicans do not want any serious legislation to pass during Obama's terms. How serious is this legislation if the people voting for it don't fully understand it and the President admits that it will have to be modified later? Why not vote on a final plan and implement it? Come on... legislators "fully" understand legislation? That's near impossible. What's wrong with improving things later? It's historically commonplace to do just that. I love it.. a final plan. Name a piece of law that was implemented in final form... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I'm betting your "strong" views include disenfranchizing the poor, middle class, and anyone who might have a different perspective, but that's just a guess. -- Nom=de=Plume You are a pretty poor guesser. But, I can recognize one who's guesses are immediately classified as truths in their minds. Eisboch Well... speak. I suspect your strong views are as I said. Prove me wrong. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Actually, there's enough propaganda and hate right here in rec.boats. Eisboch We need less hate and propaganda and more attention to BOOBS. New test sig file...;) Scotty -- For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v |
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:30:34 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... I'm betting your "strong" views include disenfranchizing the poor, middle class, and anyone who might have a different perspective, but that's just a guess. -- Nom=de=Plume You are a pretty poor guesser. But, I can recognize one who's guesses are immediately classified as truths in their minds. Eisboch Despite your protests, your lack of refutation and refusal to state your stong views lends credit to her assumptions. Maybe you're not so convinced of your strong views and lack the courage of conviction. |
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:26:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:17:57 -0400, "Eisboch" I have some very strong views on what the solution is. You wouldn't like them however and it would just generate another round of your immature, naive comments and name calling. Best to let you take care of yourself and your family your way. I'll continue to do it my way. Eisboch Then cease with the innane bluster, Richard. We don't need to read your accounting of the world if you cannot muster equal energy towards a solution. You either cannot or will not produce intelligence on "what needs to be done," using my predictable reaction as an excuse for your laziness or empty bravado. Maybe you should stick to penning bumper stickers, like your shallow friend Jim. What I write is not required reading. The fact that you do and then comment in the manner in which you do displays and confirms what's wrong with the mindset of some liberals better than I could ever do if I wrote a book on the subject. I don't respond very well to threats or attempts at intimidation. Eisboch Misdirection and drivel. I get better responses when I call you a snob. My bet is that your platform is shaky and you're not sure what your strong views are. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:26:48 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: What I write is not required reading. The fact that you do and then comment in the manner in which you do displays and confirms what's wrong with the mindset of some liberals better than I could ever do if I wrote a book on the subject. I don't respond very well to threats or attempts at intimidation. Eisboch Misdirection and drivel. I get better responses when I call you a snob. My bet is that your platform is shaky and you're not sure what your strong views are. I'll bet you relish your sad life as a newsgroup troll. Eisboch |
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