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jps wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:17:57 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I have some very strong views on what the solution is. You wouldn't like
them however and it would just generate another round of your immature,
naive comments and name calling.

Best to let you take care of yourself and your family your way.

I'll continue to do it my way.

Eisboch

Then cease with the innane bluster, Richard. We don't need to read
your accounting of the world if you cannot muster equal energy towards
a solution.

You either cannot or will not produce intelligence on "what needs to
be done," using my predictable reaction as an excuse for your laziness
or empty bravado.

Maybe you should stick to penning bumper stickers, like your shallow
friend Jim.

Wow. jps the sniper calls me shallow. Richard and you should hash this
out civilly. Enough name-calling already, cocksucker.

Jim - Substance is unrecognizable to the shallow.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:17:57 -0400, "Eisboch"

I have some very strong views on what the solution is. You wouldn't like
them however and it would just generate another round of your immature,
naive comments and name calling.

Best to let you take care of yourself and your family your way.

I'll continue to do it my way.

Eisboch

Then cease with the innane bluster, Richard. We don't need to read
your accounting of the world if you cannot muster equal energy towards
a solution.

You either cannot or will not produce intelligence on "what needs to
be done," using my predictable reaction as an excuse for your laziness
or empty bravado.

Maybe you should stick to penning bumper stickers, like your shallow
friend Jim.

What I write is not required reading. The fact that you do and then comment
in the manner in which you do displays and confirms what's wrong with the
mindset of some liberals better than I could ever do if I wrote a book on
the subject.

I don't respond very well to threats or attempts at intimidation.

Eisboch

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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I'm betting your "strong" views include disenfranchizing the poor, middle
class, and anyone who might have a different perspective, but that's just
a guess.

--
Nom=de=Plume

You are a pretty poor guesser. But, I can recognize one who's guesses are
immediately classified as truths in their minds.

Eisboch

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Actually I was watching Chris Matthews on MSNBC. I don't even know what
channel Fox News is on and, other than newsclips, have never listened to
Rush.

Eisboch

You should! It's enlightening to hear the propaganda and hate firsthand.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Actually, there's enough propaganda and hate right here in rec.boats.

Eisboch

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:15:52 -0500, Jim wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:17:57 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I have some very strong views on what the solution is. You wouldn't like
them however and it would just generate another round of your immature,
naive comments and name calling.

Best to let you take care of yourself and your family your way.

I'll continue to do it my way.

Eisboch

Then cease with the innane bluster, Richard. We don't need to read
your accounting of the world if you cannot muster equal energy towards
a solution.

You either cannot or will not produce intelligence on "what needs to
be done," using my predictable reaction as an excuse for your laziness
or empty bravado.

Maybe you should stick to penning bumper stickers, like your shallow
friend Jim.

Wow. jps the sniper calls me shallow. Richard and you should hash this
out civilly. Enough name-calling already, cocksucker.

Jim - Substance is unrecognizable to the shallow.

Jim, the solution to this problem is simple:

http://www.apachego.com/freeman/index.htm

--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:35:04 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Actually I was watching Chris Matthews on MSNBC. I don't even know what
channel Fox News is on and, other than newsclips, have never listened to
Rush.

Eisboch

You should! It's enlightening to hear the propaganda and hate firsthand.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Actually, there's enough propaganda and hate right here in rec.boats.

Eisboch

We need less hate and propaganda and more attention to BOOBS.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/ygqxs5v

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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The plan they are voting on is nothing like either of these. It really
isn't a plan at all. The fact that Obama wants it passed, with the
admission that they will tweak it later, ****es me off. This is
unprecedented. He's on some personal time frame and doesn't seem to
really care what the meat of the plan is.

I feel the same way. I've been watching interviews with some of the
Congress members who are on the fence regarding their vote on Sunday. Most
are still seeking specific definitions of certain details of "the plan".

It has been debated for a year and they still aren't sure what they are
voting for?

In the end it will pass due to an enormous amount of arm twisting and
backroom deals. Heh. One member of Congress was calling this bill "the
most transparent" proposal (to the public) that he had ever witnessed in his
40 years of elected office. But when pressed for specific answers, he still
wasn't sure exactly what some parts of the bill were, what the language
meant or what the ramifications would be.

But, he's leaning towards a "Yes".

Eisboch

America certainly got "Change".

hk wrote:
On 3/19/10 9:11 PM, Larry wrote:
HK wrote:
On 3/19/10 7:14 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
m...

If you are indigent, and turn up at a for-profit hospital with a
serious
condition, the best you can hope for is short-term stabilization, the
cheapest course of treatment, and a short supply of the cheapest
drugs.
You are not going to see the high-dollar docs, either.

Conservatives have been perpetuating this myth of "they have to take
you"
for decades, as if that means the indigent will get good care. Well,
they
don't...they get the band-aid level of care for their chronic
conditions.

I think the concern is that with a government regulated and mandated
health
care system, the quality of *all* care will trend to that which you
have
described.

Before you jump, understand this: Universal health care is something I
support.
It's one of the few liberal leanings that I have. But, here's one
problem
as I see it:

Regardless of how fair and standardized health care becomes, there
will
always be
more expensive doctors and optional treatments/services for those who
can
afford to pay for them.

When it comes to life or death, how can anyone rationalize that those
who
can afford
non-standardized treatments deserve to benefit from them while others
can
not?

The debate will start all over again.

Eisboch

If we cannot extend full Medicare to everyone, then I favor the Swiss
system...a number of insurance companies offering a basic plan. All
Swiss must have a basic plan. If you can't afford it, it is
subsidized. All the basic plans provide the same coverage at the same
price. Each basic plan also offers a number of options for those who
want them and can afford them. Thus, and this is a made up example, if
you need cancer surgery, you get it under the basic plan. If you want
bigger teats, and the "want" is only for cosmetic reasons, you have to
have one of the supplemental plans if you want insurance coverage
for it.

Frankly, I think the "free market system" is dead. These days, it only
works for the wealthiest. It used to work for everyone willing to
work. Those days are gone.

The plan they are voting on is nothing like either of these. It really
isn't a plan at all. The fact that Obama wants it passed, with the
admission that they will tweak it later, ****es me off. This is
unprecedented. He's on some personal time frame and doesn't seem to
really care what the meat of the plan is.

It's what may be passable. It is obvious the Republicans do not want
any serious legislation to pass during Obama's terms.

How serious is this legislation if the people voting for it don't fully
understand it and the President admits that it will have to be modified
later? Why not vote on a final plan and implement it?