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Obama moving to limit fishing access
On Mar 18, 3:30*am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:18:33 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. *You are somewhat correct. *Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled *Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. *He has screwed it up royally. *His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. *Make 1929 look good, maybe. Something that I am sure will be pointed out in the congressional elections is that the economy tanked after the Democrats took over both houses in 2006. Neither Bush nor Obama is going to be on the ballot but about 468 people from congress will be. Yes, both parties are complicit in the problems, but the Dems are the only ones with even a partial solution. The Reps just say no, as though anyone actually buys that. -- Nom=de=Plume Having a different view than you would consider your political opponents is not a solution D'Plume. But you haven't remembered that from your remedial classes yet? |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"D.Duck" wrote in message
... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Mar 17, 12:48 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Mar 15, 11:37 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: So, basically it's ok to promulgate a lie. -- Nom=de=Plume If you say so, D'Plume. It is, of course, to you. Are you back to stalking me from thread to thread? -- Nom=de=Plume Why no, D'Plume. I came back to ask how your remedial classes are coming along for you. There is still hope and time, but it is evident you haven't progressed well. Get a life it that's still an option for you. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
nom=de=plume wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"D.Duck" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. I agree with this, and I hope we're both wrong. Of course, the CBO can't know everything. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? I never said that. I've also never posted a political link - old or current - to a boating group and I'm not going to start now. |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. Closing Gitmo was his first declaration as president. It's still open. I have a huge concern for a president who can't follow through with a relatively simple task, but wants to tackle universal health care - something that less than half of his constituents want under it's current terms. |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"Larry" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. Closing Gitmo was his first declaration as president. It's still open. I have a huge concern for a president who can't follow through with a relatively simple task, but wants to tackle universal health care - something that less than half of his constituents want under it's current terms. Why do you think it's a relatively simple task? Even Bush wanted to close it, and that brilliant mind of his (Karl Rove) couldn't get it done. Please show me where he's even talking about universal healthcare? He's not, although it would be a great thing... as all other 1st world countries have it. And, just so you're clear on the facts, something like 70% of the public is in favor of a public option. Get real. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"Larry" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? I never said that. I've also never posted a political link - old or current - to a boating group and I'm not going to start now. You're right. You never said it. Yet, you claim it's "old" but won't supply something more recent. Not much of an argument in favor of your position. You do have an opinion right? -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. -- Nom=de=Plume The only reason the layoffs are slowing is at least 20% of the workforce is out of work. Lots of the working at underemployed. How did that bank bailout help? Stopped foreclosures? Helped in loan liquidity? |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. I agree with this, and I hope we're both wrong. Of course, the CBO can't know everything. -- Nom=de=Plume Where are the billions in savings? When do they kick in? Look at the estimated deficits even after Obama if he makes it 2 terms. http://www.cbo.gov/ |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. I agree with this, and I hope we're both wrong. Of course, the CBO can't know everything. -- Nom=de=Plume Where are the billions in savings? When do they kick in? Look at the estimated deficits even after Obama if he makes it 2 terms. http://www.cbo.gov/ "CBO and JCT estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation—H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal— would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $138 billion over the 2010–2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenue (see the top panel of Table 1 and subtitle A of title II on Table 5)." and "CBO has not extrapolated estimates further into the future because the uncertainties surrounding them are magnified even more. However, in view of the projected net savings during the decade following the 10-year budget window, CBO anticipates that the reconciliation proposal would probably continue to reduce budget deficits relative to those under current law in subsequent decades, assuming that all of its provisions would continue to be fully implemented." -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. -- Nom=de=Plume The only reason the layoffs are slowing is at least 20% of the workforce is out of work. Lots of the working at underemployed. How did that bank bailout help? Stopped foreclosures? Helped in loan liquidity? Really? The only reason. And you know this because you have some inside information? Or, more likely, you're listening to someone's talking point. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:15:18 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years to repair the damage bush and his wall street playboy buddies did to the economy yet you guys blame it on the darkie. speaking of stupid... .. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. irrelevant. the interest after all his spending will amount to 3.4% of GDP...which is about the same as bush number one spent on debt service you right wing racists are just too stupid to be believed He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! and if he hadnt rescued the economy? what life would she have with 25% unemployment? of course you wont answer.... |
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Obama moving to limit fishing access
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:18:33 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. really? 25% unemployment looks good? oh. i forgot. you're right wing. to the right wing, the middle class should ALWAYS get screwed |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
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Obama moving to limit fishing access
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. -- Nom=de=Plume The only reason the layoffs are slowing is at least 20% of the workforce is out of work. Lots of the working at underemployed. How did that bank bailout help? Stopped foreclosures? Helped in loan liquidity? Really? The only reason. And you know this because you have some inside information? Or, more likely, you're listening to someone's talking point. -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, I have an analytical brain. You have a brain? |
Obama moving to limit fishing access
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. I agree with this, and I hope we're both wrong. Of course, the CBO can't know everything. -- Nom=de=Plume Where are the billions in savings? When do they kick in? Look at the estimated deficits even after Obama if he makes it 2 terms. http://www.cbo.gov/ "CBO and JCT estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation-H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal- would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $138 billion over the 2010-2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenue (see the top panel of Table 1 and subtitle A of title II on Table 5)." and "CBO has not extrapolated estimates further into the future because the uncertainties surrounding them are magnified even more. However, in view of the projected net savings during the decade following the 10-year budget window, CBO anticipates that the reconciliation proposal would probably continue to reduce budget deficits relative to those under current law in subsequent decades, assuming that all of its provisions would continue to be fully implemented." -- Nom=de=Plume $138 billion in deficits? BFD! We are looking at Trillions of deficits. A Trillion is a thousand billion. 138 is negligible. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:15:18 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years to repair the damage bush and his wall street playboy buddies did to the economy yet you guys blame it on the darkie. speaking of stupid... . And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. irrelevant. the interest after all his spending will amount to 3.4% of GDP...which is about the same as bush number one spent on debt service you right wing racists are just too stupid to be believed He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! and if he hadnt rescued the economy? what life would she have with 25% unemployment? of course you wont answer.... You sound more stupid each day. And more racist. Your wife know you are posting racist comments? Might get her fired. We have near 25% real unemployment. What has the deficit spending accomplished in reducing unemployment, except for saving some mostly overpaid government jobs? The states are in deep debt due to overspending and over employment. We could have increased real jobs for less money by letting all taxpayers have a free ride for the year. And you would not be looking at Goldman Sacksus giving out billions in bonus money. The Goldman-sacks that got 100 cents on the dollar for debt, while all others got 3 cents on the dollar. Paulson and Geitner have to protect their former employer and investments. |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:18:33 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. really? 25% unemployment looks good? oh. i forgot. you're right wing. to the right wing, the middle class should ALWAYS get screwed I am middle class, and my kids are middle class and they are getting screwed by this administration and the Wall Street you hate. How come we still have all this unemployment and middle class with little spending money and Wall Street is giving out billions of bucks in bonus money? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "CBO has not extrapolated estimates further into the future because the uncertainties surrounding them are magnified even more. However, in view of the projected net savings during the decade following the 10-year budget window, CBO anticipates that the reconciliation proposal would probably continue to reduce budget deficits relative to those under current law in subsequent decades, assuming that all of its provisions would continue to be fully implemented." -- Nom=de=Plume Now *there's* a positive statement you can take to the bank. (whew) Eisboch |
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I am middle class, and my kids are middle class and they are getting screwed by this administration and the Wall Street you hate this administration is the reason we dont have 25% unemployment. you prefer to be jobless and have your kids in the streets? that your preference? .. How come we still have all this unemployment and middle class with little spending money and Wall Street is giving out billions of bucks in bonus money? because that's the way we, the middle class, voted. we voted ALWAYS to protect the rich. to bail out the rich. and we're doing it again. the tea baggers main goal: protect the rich. |
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:53:55 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:15:18 -0700, "Bill McKee" and if he hadnt rescued the economy? what life would she have with 25% unemployment? of course you wont answer.... You sound more stupid each day. so now im a republican? And more racist. so now i'm DEFINITELY a republican? Your wife know you are posting racist comments? Might get her fired. We have near 25% real unemployment. apples and fish. by your measurement, then, in 29 we have 50% real unemployment is that what you prefer? why do you hate the darkie president? What has the deficit spending accomplished in reducing unemployment, except for saving some mostly overpaid government jobs? it's generated 1.5M jobs and kept unemployment at 10% instead of 25% you, being a right wing shill, are unhappy because the rich are only making billions instead of trillions. The states are in deep debt due to overspending and over employment. We could have increased real jobs for less money by letting all taxpayers have a free ride for the year. And you would not be looking at Goldman Sacksus giving out billions in bonus money. The Goldman-sacks that got 100 cents on the dollar for debt, while all others got 3 cents on the dollar. Paulson and Geitner have to protect their former employer and investments. that's because bush and his cronies gamed the system to hold the middle class hostage to the interests of your rich friends |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... Of course, if the health care bill fails to pass, you're right about Obama's leadership. That's the acid test, right there. Means he even got the lobbyist-bought Dems in line - or didn't. Jim - A proud African-American, expecting my man Obama to come through. My only problem with Obama right now is his recent comments that he is not concerned with the parliamentary rules of Congress .... or how Congress skirts them ..... as long as he gets what he wants passed. That is a potentially dangerous attitude for any POTUS. Bush may have "lied" (if you are that opinion), but he convinced Congress to vote to support him without violating the process. Eisboch Eisboch |
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"bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:39:29 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:02:08 -0400, bpuharic wrote: Something that I am sure will be pointed out in the congressional elections is that the economy tanked after the Democrats took over both houses in 2006. Neither Bush nor Obama is going to be on the ballot but about 468 people from congress will be. and who was president? oh. bush. You sure paint the Democrats to be a powerless party. they are Bush may have been a moron and he may have led us down a horrific path but he was a leader. the right is always more organzed than the center. rich, powerful elites know exactly what they want and how to get it. Intelligence has no social or financial prerequisites. Eisboch |
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... On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:02:08 -0400, bpuharic wrote: Something that I am sure will be pointed out in the congressional elections is that the economy tanked after the Democrats took over both houses in 2006. Neither Bush nor Obama is going to be on the ballot but about 468 people from congress will be. and who was president? oh. bush. You sure paint the Democrats to be a powerless party. Clinton was powerless when faced with a GOP congress Clinton stood up the Gingrich's contract on America quite successfully. The Democratic majority congress was powerless when faced with Bush and now the Democratic White House and Democratically controlled congress is powerless when faced with a GOP minority. Not powerless, but without guts. Bush may have been a moron and he may have led us down a horrific path but he was a leader. May have? He was a lousy leader. We're much worse off. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "Jim" wrote in message ... Of course, if the health care bill fails to pass, you're right about Obama's leadership. That's the acid test, right there. Means he even got the lobbyist-bought Dems in line - or didn't. Jim - A proud African-American, expecting my man Obama to come through. My only problem with Obama right now is his recent comments that he is not concerned with the parliamentary rules of Congress .... or how Congress skirts them .... as long as he gets what he wants passed. What?? Deem and Pass? That's your problem now? It's been used 100s of times by both parties. That is a potentially dangerous attitude for any POTUS. Bush may have "lied" (if you are that opinion), but he convinced Congress to vote to support him without violating the process. May have?? You seem to look for any excuse to slam Obama, yet you had little to say about Bush I suspect when he was in power. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 3/19/10 1:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:02:08 -0400, wrote: Something that I am sure will be pointed out in the congressional elections is that the economy tanked after the Democrats took over both houses in 2006. Neither Bush nor Obama is going to be on the ballot but about 468 people from congress will be. and who was president? oh. bush. You sure paint the Democrats to be a powerless party. Clinton was powerless when faced with a GOP congress Clinton stood up the Gingrich's contract on America quite successfully. The Democratic majority congress was powerless when faced with Bush and now the Democratic White House and Democratically controlled congress is powerless when faced with a GOP minority. Not powerless, but without guts. Bush may have been a moron and he may have led us down a horrific path but he was a leader. May have? He was a lousy leader. We're much worse off. Bush, or, more accurately, his handlers, led us down the path to near destruction. -- If the X-MimeOLE "header" doesn't say: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 (or higher) then it isn't me, it's an ID spoofer. |
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... In article , says... Bush may have been a moron and he may have led us down a horrific path but he was a leader. Just out of curiosity, I have been hearing you say this for years so I have to ask... What would you have done in response to 911 to keep Bin Laden and his crew running around hiding under rocks... And please don't tell me what you "wouldn't" do, or hear about weather we are indeed safe or not, I want to know how you would have kept America safe after the terror attacks of the 90's and 911? Thanks, Scotty Can't speak for him, but if I had been in charge I wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Bush didn't "keep us safe" after 9/11 by invading Iraq. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. I agree with this, and I hope we're both wrong. Of course, the CBO can't know everything. -- Nom=de=Plume Where are the billions in savings? When do they kick in? Look at the estimated deficits even after Obama if he makes it 2 terms. http://www.cbo.gov/ "CBO and JCT estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation-H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal- would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $138 billion over the 2010-2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenue (see the top panel of Table 1 and subtitle A of title II on Table 5)." and "CBO has not extrapolated estimates further into the future because the uncertainties surrounding them are magnified even more. However, in view of the projected net savings during the decade following the 10-year budget window, CBO anticipates that the reconciliation proposal would probably continue to reduce budget deficits relative to those under current law in subsequent decades, assuming that all of its provisions would continue to be fully implemented." -- Nom=de=Plume $138 billion in deficits? BFD! We are looking at Trillions of deficits. A Trillion is a thousand billion. 138 is negligible. You don't know what you're talking about... that's $138B in deficit _reduction_. The second decade will see $1.3T. Yes, you're an idiot. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. -- Nom=de=Plume The only reason the layoffs are slowing is at least 20% of the workforce is out of work. Lots of the working at underemployed. How did that bank bailout help? Stopped foreclosures? Helped in loan liquidity? Really? The only reason. And you know this because you have some inside information? Or, more likely, you're listening to someone's talking point. -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, I have an analytical brain. You have a brain? So far, you haven't shown it in public. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:18:33 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. really? 25% unemployment looks good? oh. i forgot. you're right wing. to the right wing, the middle class should ALWAYS get screwed I am middle class, and my kids are middle class and they are getting screwed by this administration and the Wall Street you hate. How come we still have all this unemployment and middle class with little spending money and Wall Street is giving out billions of bucks in bonus money? Middle class huh? Maybe barely. Why don't you tell us about all the money you made on your patents? Then, you can claim I'm not a PA. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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m... "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:15:18 -0700, "Bill McKee" wrote: "bpuharic" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years to repair the damage bush and his wall street playboy buddies did to the economy yet you guys blame it on the darkie. speaking of stupid... . And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. irrelevant. the interest after all his spending will amount to 3.4% of GDP...which is about the same as bush number one spent on debt service you right wing racists are just too stupid to be believed He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! and if he hadnt rescued the economy? what life would she have with 25% unemployment? of course you wont answer.... You sound more stupid each day. And more racist. Your wife know you are posting racist comments? Might get her fired. We have near 25% real unemployment. What has the deficit spending accomplished in reducing unemployment, except for saving some mostly overpaid government jobs? The states are in deep debt due to overspending and over employment. We could have increased real jobs for less money by letting all taxpayers have a free ride for the year. And you would not be looking at Goldman Sacksus giving out billions in bonus money. The Goldman-sacks that got 100 cents on the dollar for debt, while all others got 3 cents on the dollar. Paulson and Geitner have to protect their former employer and investments. If it's possible for you, read the recent Atlantic article about Geitner. Hint: He's a lot smarter than you. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:45:52 -0600, Frogloogyherringsnacks wrote: Naw. Jest cracker talk from them's too scared of a black man being Prez. Like I said, we colored folk fish too. You ain't said nothin but scare talk. Nothin. Not a damn detail. Why's that, peckerwood? yeah it's amazing. a rich white guy destroys the economy and the middle class and they blame it on the darkie president You sound really stupid and you probably are. Obama has over spent more in the last year than Bush did in 4 years. And Obama's next budget is coming in with a $1.4 trillion deficit amount. He is Proposing over spending more in the next 10 years, that every President, including Bush II, has overspent total! My new granddaughter is due tomorrow. She will enter the world with a $74,000 debt burden. And you want no pain due to the overspending by both Dem's and Republican's you have voted for. We all deserve a severe beating for letting our elected representatives, especially the present ones who are setting records, over spend. We should revolt at the idea they can screw the people and then get full pay for the rest of their lives. We need to hold their feet to the fire to both stop spending like drunken sailors and get rid of pensions that reward them as if they were royalty. As usual, you're just wrong.... http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/19/oba...19hassett.html That report is 14 months old. Ok. Produce something more recent. Bush was much worse and ruined the economy, but it's Obama's fault, right? -- Nom=de=Plume Bush screwed the economy. You are somewhat correct. Throw in both a Republican and Democrat Controlled Congress and you got it more correct. But Obama knew the problems coming in. He has screwed it up royally. His spending is out of control, not helping and laying the groundwork for a huge crash. Make 1929 look good, maybe. "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! Keep flailing away. I'm sure someone out there is listening. -- Nom=de=Plume The only reason the layoffs are slowing is at least 20% of the workforce is out of work. Lots of the working at underemployed. How did that bank bailout help? Stopped foreclosures? Helped in loan liquidity? Really? The only reason. And you know this because you have some inside information? Or, more likely, you're listening to someone's talking point. -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, I have an analytical brain. You have a brain? So far, you haven't shown it in public. -- Nom=de=Plume And another brainless comment by nom-de-dum |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Obama knew the problems coming in." Yet, his actions didn't take effect until he was well into the position, and the results when they did have been a slowing of the job loss, a stablization of the economy, and he's on track to save billions if not trillions. But, of course the Republicans have a plan... the status quo. To hell with getting the spending under control in a meaningful way, reform the financial system, reform the healthcare system, reform the school system. Just say no! My crystal ball sure doesn't show the savings of "billions if not trillions". Are you looking through rose colored glasses? I'm using the same source as everyone else... the CBO. If you have a different source, I'd be happy to look at it, as long as it's not Rush/Beck/Palin/Cheney or Faux News. I just can't see ridding this country of its "fiscal cancer" anytime soon. I hope I'm wrong. I know what the CBO says, too many variables and unforseen circustances. For that matter it could go either way. I agree with this, and I hope we're both wrong. Of course, the CBO can't know everything. -- Nom=de=Plume Where are the billions in savings? When do they kick in? Look at the estimated deficits even after Obama if he makes it 2 terms. http://www.cbo.gov/ "CBO and JCT estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation-H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal- would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $138 billion over the 2010-2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenue (see the top panel of Table 1 and subtitle A of title II on Table 5)." and "CBO has not extrapolated estimates further into the future because the uncertainties surrounding them are magnified even more. However, in view of the projected net savings during the decade following the 10-year budget window, CBO anticipates that the reconciliation proposal would probably continue to reduce budget deficits relative to those under current law in subsequent decades, assuming that all of its provisions would continue to be fully implemented." -- Nom=de=Plume $138 billion in deficits? BFD! We are looking at Trillions of deficits. A Trillion is a thousand billion. 138 is negligible. You don't know what you're talking about... that's $138B in deficit _reduction_. The second decade will see $1.3T. Yes, you're an idiot. -- Nom=de=Plume The 2nd decade will definately see a reduction in deficits. Not because of anything positive that Obama is doing now. You realize that the 2nd decade will be 2 or 6 years after Obama? We will have such high debt in the 2nd decade that will will not be able to borrow, so we are going to be like Greece and have to tighten our belts. Big time cinching of the belt. |
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