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Are manatee-crossing signs next?
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...skee-bay-prot/
Looks like they're getting their own speed zone, now... |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
"Tim" wrote in message
... http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...skee-bay-prot/ Looks like they're getting their own speed zone, now... We wouldn't want you to have to throttle back to protect another life. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
On Feb 23, 10:00*am, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:47:35 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...speed-zones-go... Looks like they're getting their own speed zone, now... They have had their own speed zones in Lee County for over a decade.http://myfwc.com/docs/WildlifeHabita...tee_leeMPZ.pdf Vast areas are slow speed, either all year or seasonal. The speed limit around the 10,000 islands was 20. Now it is slow speed. I assume that is all year. I figured that was in order. I'm wondering though at that slow of a speed wihen the battle wagons come though there, at such slow speed they plow deep. I supppose the next thing will be that prop guards will be made manditory. |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
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... On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:22:27 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Feb 23, 10:00 am, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:47:35 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...speed-zones-go... Looks like they're getting their own speed zone, now... They have had their own speed zones in Lee County for over a decade.http://myfwc.com/docs/WildlifeHabita...tee_leeMPZ.pdf Vast areas are slow speed, either all year or seasonal. The speed limit around the 10,000 islands was 20. Now it is slow speed. I assume that is all year. I figured that was in order. I'm wondering though at that slow of a speed wihen the battle wagons come though there, at such slow speed they plow deep. I supppose the next thing will be that prop guards will be made manditory. The ones that get prop scarred are the lucky ones. The ones that die are usually the ones who can't get deep enough to avoid the blunt force trauma of a keel hit or taking an outboard leg in the side. If you see a prop scar, it is usually an inboard. The more they looked at these things the more they figured out are around so the current thought is they should probably be de-listed if you used any rational logic in determining what should be protected but there has never been much logic in manatee or panther protection. Both are far from endangered if you use the ESA rules. In fact there is no such thing as the Florida Panther in the strict sense. They are hybrids, cross bred with Texas cats. When I told my wife about this she just asked "who is going to enforce this"? They better bring a helicopter if they are going to try to catch one of those Everglades City boys going through the mangroves. The manatees are listed as endangered by the ESA. There are thought to be fewer than 2000. Even if they weren't, why not protect them, since they can't outrun the boats or dive deep enough. Does it really threaten your "freedom" to slow down and look where you're going? (Not you specifically....) -- Nom=de=Plume |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:46:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: The manatees are listed as endangered by the ESA. There are thought to be fewer than 2000. Even if they weren't, why not protect them, since they can't outrun the boats or dive deep enough. Does it really threaten your "freedom" to slow down and look where you're going? (Not you specifically....) This is probably an exercise in futility but I'll give it one try. Manatees are listed as endangered only because of the high powered lobbying efforts of the well funded Save The Manatee Club. STMC members have donated millions of dollars and the club feels an obligation to spend that money lobbying for new regulations, needed or not. Most places in South Florida have enough Manatees that they are at risk of over breeding their habitat. How would youfeel about a 5 mph speed limit on your local highway to prevent the risk of road kill? |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
On Feb 24, 3:00*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:46:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The manatees are listed as endangered by the ESA. There are thought to be fewer than 2000. Even if they weren't, why not protect them, since they can't outrun the boats or dive deep enough. Does it really threaten your "freedom" to slow down and look where you're going? (Not you specifically....) This is probably an exercise in futility but I'll give it one try. Manatees are listed as endangered only because of the high powered lobbying efforts of the well funded Save The Manatee Club. STMC members have donated millions of dollars and the club feels an obligation to spend that money lobbying for new regulations, needed or not. * Most places in South Florida have enough Manatees that they are at risk of over breeding their habitat. How would youfeel about a 5 mph speed limit on your local highway to prevent the risk of road kill? Mayb they ought to train them to eat or kill carp and ship a few up on the Illinois river. |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
"Manatee hot tub" That line still cracks me up.
HAHAHAHA! ?;^ ) |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
On Feb 24, 4:00*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:46:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: The manatees are listed as endangered by the ESA. There are thought to be fewer than 2000. Even if they weren't, why not protect them, since they can't outrun the boats or dive deep enough. Does it really threaten your "freedom" to slow down and look where you're going? (Not you specifically....) This is probably an exercise in futility but I'll give it one try. Manatees are listed as endangered only because of the high powered lobbying efforts of the well funded Save The Manatee Club. STMC members have donated millions of dollars and the club feels an obligation to spend that money lobbying for new regulations, needed or not. * Most places in South Florida have enough Manatees that they are at risk of over breeding their habitat. How would youfeel about a 5 mph speed limit on your local highway to prevent the risk of road kill? Something about that doesn't make sense to me. Manatees were in the Florida waters long before boats. They didn't need boats killing them off then to keep their numbers in check, why do they need boats to keep the population in check now? |
Are manatee-crossing signs next?
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Are manatee-crossing signs next?
On Feb 24, 11:11*am, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:46:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:22:27 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Feb 23, 10:00 am, wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:47:35 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...speed-zones-go... Looks like they're getting their own speed zone, now... They have had their own speed zones in Lee County for over a decade.http://myfwc.com/docs/WildlifeHabita...tee_leeMPZ.pdf Vast areas are slow speed, either all year or seasonal. The speed limit around the 10,000 islands was 20. Now it is slow speed. I assume that is all year. I figured that was in order. I'm wondering though at that slow of a speed wihen the battle wagons come though there, at such slow speed they plow deep. I supppose the next thing will be that prop guards will be made manditory. The ones that get prop scarred are the lucky ones. The ones that die are usually the ones who can't get deep enough to avoid the blunt force trauma of a keel hit or taking an outboard leg in the side. If you see a prop scar, it is usually an inboard. The more they looked at these things the more they figured out are around so the current thought is they should probably be de-listed if you used any rational logic in determining what should be protected but there has never been much logic in manatee or panther protection. Both are far from endangered if you use the ESA rules. In fact there is no such thing as the Florida Panther in the strict sense. They are hybrids, cross bred with Texas cats. When I told my wife about this she just asked "who is going to enforce this"? They better bring a helicopter if they are going to try to catch one of those Everglades City boys going through the mangroves. The manatees are listed as endangered by the ESA. There are thought to be fewer than 2000. Even if they weren't, why not protect them, since they can't outrun the boats or dive deep enough. Does it really threaten your "freedom" to slow down and look where you're going? (Not you specifically....) That is an old statistic. When they finally started counting them they found out there are several thousand in our little county alone. There is a move afoot to delist the manatee, based on the ESA rules. The real problem is that FPL has a power plant here that used to discharge a lot of warm water in the Caloosahatchee river and that attracted the manatee to that particular spot. That is also where most are killed, either right at the plant or coming and going from there. Unfortunately that river is also the only east west passage across Florida. It is like putting a salt lick in the middle of the I-5 and wondering why so many deer get run over. The real irony is when they converted that plant from bunker oil to natural gas they did not have as much waste heat so the greenie weenies sued to force FPL to artificially heat the water instead of allowing the manatees to migrate south like they are supposed to. A lot more manatee die each year from starvation and cold shock because of that than boat strikes. There is just not enough food around that plant to support that many manatee. It also does a real number on our fecal coliform counts, forcing the closure of a few beaches every winter. 1000 manatee is a 50 acre plot are basically like a sewer pipe discharging right into the water The other thing people do not accept is speed may not even be the biggest problem with boat collisions. Manatees are not smart enough to get out of the way, even if you are going slow and I have actually had them swim up behind my boat when I was running at idle/slow speed and put their nose right up to the prop.. They are attracted to the water discharge from the "pee hole" because people use their garden hose to bring manatee up to the dock for a drink of fresh water (or whatever attracts a manatee to a hose squirting in the water). I am all for protecting wildlife but most of this manatee problem is man made by the same people who think they are protecting them. The "manatee zones" are political compromises that are not actually based on much science. It simply gives the politicians political cover when people ask what they are doing. They can say we protected "x" thousand square miles of water for the manatee, whether that is where the manatee are or not. This 10,000 islands zone has not been protected that much up until now because for most of the winter, the water is too cold for a manatee. The same is true in most of Florida, except where we are creating hot spots. If we were really following the ESA we would not be discharging the hot water in the first place (the ESA says we are not supposed to interrupt their natural behavior). We certainly would not be artificially heating it. Unfortunately this policy is driven by people out in "flyover land" *who have never seen a manatee, don't own a boat and know very little about either one of them. BTW how do you feel about mountain lions? What if someone called them the "California Panther" and said you could not disturb one that was eating your pets and chasing your kids? We have that going on here too. Again, it is mostly driven by people who don't live here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So you are saying these decisions are made on the Federal level and the folks in your state are bound by them? Scotty |
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