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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Come on Bill, you should at least try and sound intelligent. MLs are not
targeting kids. That's just looney even for you.

Bill, it is pointless to discuss issues with someone who's mind is
closed.


Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad indigestion?

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You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep an eye
on keeping them safe.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Come on Bill, you should at least try and sound intelligent. MLs are not
targeting kids. That's just looney even for you.

Bill, it is pointless to discuss issues with someone who's mind is
closed.


Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad indigestion?

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Nom=de=Plume


You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep an
eye on keeping them safe.



Which is exactly what I said.

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:46:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:22:27 -0800 (PST), Tim

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On Feb 23, 10:00 am, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:47:35 -0800 (PST), Tim

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http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2010/...speed-zones-go...

Looks like they're getting their own speed zone, now...

They have had their own speed zones in Lee County for over a
decade.http://myfwc.com/docs/WildlifeHabita...tee_leeMPZ.pdf
Vast areas are slow speed, either all year or seasonal.
The speed limit around the 10,000 islands was 20. Now it is slow
speed. I assume that is all year.

I figured that was in order. I'm wondering though at that slow of
a
speed wihen the battle wagons come though there, at such slow
speed
they plow deep. I supppose the next thing will be that prop guards
will be made manditory.

The ones that get prop scarred are the lucky ones. The ones that
die
are usually the ones who can't get deep enough to avoid the blunt
force trauma of a keel hit or taking an outboard leg in the side.
If you see a prop scar, it is usually an inboard.

The more they looked at these things the more they figured out are
around so the current thought is they should probably be de-listed
if
you used any rational logic in determining what should be
protected
but there has never been much logic in manatee or panther
protection.
Both are far from endangered if you use the ESA rules. In fact
there
is no such thing as the Florida Panther in the strict sense. They
are
hybrids, cross bred with Texas cats.

When I told my wife about this she just asked "who is going to
enforce
this"?
They better bring a helicopter if they are going to try to catch
one
of those Everglades City boys going through the mangroves.

The manatees are listed as endangered by the ESA. There are thought
to be
fewer than 2000. Even if they weren't, why not protect them, since
they
can't outrun the boats or dive deep enough. Does it really threaten
your
"freedom" to slow down and look where you're going? (Not you
specifically....)

That is an old statistic. When they finally started counting them
they
found out there are several thousand in our little county alone.
There is a move afoot to delist the manatee, based on the ESA rules.

The real problem is that FPL has a power plant here that used to
discharge a lot of warm water in the Caloosahatchee river and that
attracted the manatee to that particular spot. That is also where
most
are killed, either right at the plant or coming and going from
there.
Unfortunately that river is also the only east west passage across
Florida. It is like putting a salt lick in the middle of the I-5 and
wondering why so many deer get run over.

The real irony is when they converted that plant from bunker oil to
natural gas they did not have as much waste heat so the greenie
weenies sued to force FPL to artificially heat the water instead of
allowing the manatees to migrate south like they are supposed to.
A lot more manatee die each year from starvation and cold shock
because of that than boat strikes. There is just not enough food
around that plant to support that many manatee.
It also does a real number on our fecal coliform counts, forcing the
closure of a few beaches every winter. 1000 manatee is a 50 acre
plot
are basically like a sewer pipe discharging right into the water

The other thing people do not accept is speed may not even be the
biggest problem with boat collisions. Manatees are not smart enough
to
get out of the way, even if you are going slow and I have actually
had
them swim up behind my boat when I was running at idle/slow speed
and
put their nose right up to the prop.. They are attracted to the
water
discharge from the "pee hole" because people use their garden hose
to
bring manatee up to the dock for a drink of fresh water (or whatever
attracts a manatee to a hose squirting in the water).

I am all for protecting wildlife but most of this manatee problem is
man made by the same people who think they are protecting them.
The "manatee zones" are political compromises that are not actually
based on much science. It simply gives the politicians political
cover
when people ask what they are doing. They can say we protected "x"
thousand square miles of water for the manatee, whether that is
where
the manatee are or not. This 10,000 islands zone has not been
protected that much up until now because for most of the winter, the
water is too cold for a manatee. The same is true in most of
Florida,
except where we are creating hot spots.
If we were really following the ESA we would not be discharging the
hot water in the first place (the ESA says we are not supposed to
interrupt their natural behavior). We certainly would not be
artificially heating it. Unfortunately this policy is driven by
people
out in "flyover land" *who have never seen a manatee, don't own a
boat
and know very little about either one of them.

BTW how do you feel about mountain lions?
What if someone called them the "California Panther" and said you
could not disturb one that was eating your pets and chasing your
kids?
We have that going on here too. Again, it is mostly driven by people
who don't live here.

You sound like an environmentalist! Good for you.

I don't care what they call them. People need to protect their pets
and kids. It's not the mountain lion's fault. They're acting as they
should, esp. given our intrusion into their natural habitat.

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Yeah "Sorry, my 3 year old sweet little human child, but the poor
cougar is doing what it's supposed to by dragging you off for lunch".

Not much of an internal struggle for a parent:
bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang

Perhaps if the sweet little human child had parents who had an ounce of
sense, the child wouldn't get eaten.

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Bull. *We have had more deaths from mountain lions in the last 5 years,
than in the previous 100 years. *Sort of like Sea Lions. *No reason to
be a protected species. *Overpopulated now, and dieing of starvation,
etc. The deer herds are being decimated my lions, as well as the Big
Horn sheep. When they were hunted, they were never in danger of being on
the Endangerd species list, and they were controlled in numbers and kept
away from man.

?? You're claiming that mountain lions are targeting kids? You're a fool.

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You are the fool if you think otherwise. *Do a little research on mountain
lions in Calif.

Come on Bill, you should at least try and sound intelligent. MLs are not
targeting kids. That's just looney even for you.
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He does sound intelligent, D'Plume. What might be your excuse?

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:48:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message


Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad
indigestion?

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You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep an
eye on keeping them safe.



Which is exactly what I said.


I assume you don't let the kids take out the trash after dark.
Trash cans tend to be raccoon feeders and big cats come for the
raccoons.




Sure thing... I usually tie a piece of steak around their necks first
though.

I've got nice flood lights for that sort of stuff when the relatives are
around.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:48:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message

Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad
indigestion?

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Nom=de=Plume

You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep an
eye on keeping them safe.

Which is exactly what I said.

I assume you don't let the kids take out the trash after dark.
Trash cans tend to be raccoon feeders and big cats come for the
raccoons.

Sure thing... I usually tie a piece of steak around their necks first
though.


Nom=de=Plume


Is that your answer to post-birth abortion, D'Plume?

On Feb 25, 9:29*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Come on Bill, you should at least try and sound intelligent. MLs are not
targeting kids. That's just looney even for you.

Bill, it is pointless to discuss issues with someone who's mind is
closed.

Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad indigestion?

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"You're just stupid. Were you trying to make a point, or is that just
a bump
on your head?

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On Feb 26, 1:16 am, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:48:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message

Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad
indigestion?

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Nom=de=Plume

You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep
an
eye on keeping them safe.

Which is exactly what I said.

I assume you don't let the kids take out the trash after dark.
Trash cans tend to be raccoon feeders and big cats come for the
raccoons.

Sure thing... I usually tie a piece of steak around their necks first
though.


Nom=de=Plume

Is that your answer to post-birth abortion, D'Plume?


Poor baby. Why don't you reply to all my posts if that makes you feel
better. Or, have a cookie.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:48:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message

Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad
indigestion?

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Nom=de=Plume

You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep
an
eye on keeping them safe.

Which is exactly what I said.

I assume you don't let the kids take out the trash after dark.
Trash cans tend to be raccoon feeders and big cats come for the
raccoons.

Sure thing... I usually tie a piece of steak around their necks first
though.

Nom=de=Plume
Is that your answer to post-birth abortion, D'Plume?

Poor baby. Why don't you reply to all my posts if that makes you feel
better. Or, have a cookie.

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You didn't answer the question, D'Plume.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:16:39 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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I assume you don't let the kids take out the trash after dark.
Trash cans tend to be raccoon feeders and big cats come for the
raccoons.




Sure thing... I usually tie a piece of steak around their necks first
though.

I've got nice flood lights for that sort of stuff when the relatives are
around.

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I wouldn't count on the flood lights to do much to prevent predators
from coming after prey.
I haven't seen a panther yet but I see bob cats in my yard quite
often, coming after the possums and raccoons.
We have a pretty good assortment of wildlife around here because there
are thousands of acres of park land between here and the bay.
We have wild hogs, deer and even a black bear occasionally. The only
panther we had in the scrub park was hit by a cop car over near the
airport. They may travel 20-30 miles a night from what the
biologists find with the tracking collars.


I'm relying on the flood lights to let us see what's there. Then, when/if we
see a mountain lion, I put the steak around their necks and send them out.


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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:48:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"Bill wrote in message


Wow... did they go after your kids? If so, was it really bad
indigestion?


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Nom=de=Plume


You have kids in the area where mountain lions are, you need to keep
an
eye on keeping them safe.


Which is exactly what I said.


I assume you don't let the kids take out the trash after dark.
Trash cans tend to be raccoon feeders and big cats come for the
raccoons.


Sure thing... I usually tie a piece of steak around their necks first
though.


Nom=de=Plume
Is that your answer to post-birth abortion, D'Plume?

Poor baby. Why don't you reply to all my posts if that makes you feel
better. Or, have a cookie.

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You didn't answer the question, D'Plume.

That his/her MO. You already knew that, right?