On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:01:12 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:05:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:00:53 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:



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who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.

really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by
islamists was 2001.



the NIH researchers who've discovered cures for diseases, new drugs,
etc?

Private companies do a lot more than NIH. I only have to point to the
human genome project where a private company cracked the code in
months and NIH dunced around for years on it.

really? got proof of that? and private companies often feed off
university labs...funded by NIH.




and how do you measure inefficiency when capitalism itself just
dropped the US economy by hundreds of billions in the last year? was
that efficient?

Yes, the economy was an illusion and we were going to lose a couple
trillion no matter what because it simply did not exist. It was phony
profit that we traded like real money

?? and yet you say this has no connection with capitalism

go figure

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:04:48 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:50 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.

really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by
islamists was 2001.

Detroit?

But that is not the point. I addressed "freedom". Do you really think
there have been no intrusions on your freedom, in the name of
security, since 1991?
The terrorists don't even have to be successful to cause us billions
of dollars in damage and huge intrusions into our lives.

bush certainly tried to destroy freedom...another point the right
refuses to blame on him

and there have been times in US history when we've lost ALOT more than
we've lost today

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:58:27 -0500, wrote:



I agree these impositions are minimal if you want to look at what FDR
did. He held a whole race of people in prison without charges for 4
years, even American citizens. That makes Guantanamo look like cub
scout camp.

true. although bush DID try...

You really have to get over this obsession with Bush.

say what?

we got whole groups of folks here who think bush had no control over
the economy for 8 years...was all clinton's fault...but then obama
came in and, on jan 20 of last year, immediately spent a trillion
dollars on his first day in office


The Patriot act
was first floated out there by the Clinton administration and the
latest round of airport foolishness is from Obama.

and yet it was bush who tried to suspend habeas corpus; who arrested

As far as I am concerned, the biggest thing Bush did was get the left,
who usually think government can do no wrong, looking at this
surveillance more critically. When it was the Janet Reno DoJ pushing
the original Patriot act, those who dissented were called wingnuts and
kooks. Now the left thinks you can have too much surveillance ...
unless you think it is OK now.

the left has always been paranoid about police powers.


When true fascism comes it will be disguised in a program to make us
"safer".

or, as barry goldwarter said, it will come wrapped in the american
flag and carrying a cross

.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:48:37 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:17:11 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:58:27 -0500, wrote:


You really have to get over this obsession with Bush.

say what?

we got whole groups of folks here who think bush had no control over
the economy for 8 years...was all clinton's fault...but then obama
came in and, on jan 20 of last year, immediately spent a trillion
dollars on his first day in office

Some of us were unhappy with Bust too but we have sense enough not to
blame him for all of it.

and some of them blame obama for all of it.

bush is responsible for about 70% of the deficit.

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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:50 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.

really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by
islamists was 2001.

Detroit?

But that is not the point. I addressed "freedom". Do you really think
there have been no intrusions on your freedom, in the name of
security, since 1991?
The terrorists don't even have to be successful to cause us billions
of dollars in damage and huge intrusions into our lives.



Wow... I actually agree with you! I think we need to stop being
terrified, and get on with life.

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Nom=de=Plume

nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:50 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.
really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by
islamists was 2001.
Detroit?

But that is not the point. I addressed "freedom". Do you really think
there have been no intrusions on your freedom, in the name of
security, since 1991?
The terrorists don't even have to be successful to cause us billions
of dollars in damage and huge intrusions into our lives.



Wow... I actually agree with you! I think we need to stop being
terrified, and get on with life.

You go girl.

wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:43:50 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

who are you talking about? brave and heroic US and Canadian troops who
are dying to protect freedom?

In no way disrespectful of the fighting men, do you think we are more
"free" than we were in 1991 when we started our middle eastern
crusade? It is clear the terrorists have won.
really? gee. the last time a terrorist attack happened in the US by
islamists was 2001.

Detroit?

But that is not the point. I addressed "freedom". Do you really think
there have been no intrusions on your freedom, in the name of
security, since 1991?
The terrorists don't even have to be successful to cause us billions
of dollars in damage and huge intrusions into our lives.

Bpubic doesn't object to those pat downs at the airport. In fact he
rather enjoys them