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bpuharic February 21st 10 04:55 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:41:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:



It has been my observation in life that 98% of the time someone accuses
someone else of being racists, they are in fact the racist ones. In
this case,Obama can do no wrong because he is black is also racist.


and yet you have NO explanation for why, even though the deficit was
caused by bush

you claim obama wants to destroy america.

see, if you j ust claimed obama was a bad politiican, that's one thing

but your paranoid screeds about how he's presiding over the
destruction of america

even though ALL the deficit is bush's fault...

that's racist

bpuharic February 21st 10 04:57 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:38:47 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


Then I guess Obama has Bush signing the checks.


so you think obama shouldnt fund US defense, interest on the national
debt, social security, etc.

that your solution?

LMAO. You would think
in the last 13 months of spending, Obama would have had control as he is
a the leader of the administration....'


you ignore the FACT that ALL the deficit was caused by

1. bush's tax cuts
2. bush's war in iraq
3 the financial collapse

ALL of these happened under bush

yet you blame them on the black guy. thats your answer, right? blame
the black guy.

even though ALL of the deficit...ALL of it...is bush's fault

bpuharic February 21st 10 04:58 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:53:18 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:05:43 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


All these folks are racist?

http://www.nbra.info/

Methinks you are full of ****, as usual. I see I've wasted more than one remark
on you for February. You're almost as stupid as ninc=de=poop.


all of the deficit is bush's fault.. he started the war in iraq. that
was a trillion

he gave allt he big tax cuts for the rich. that cause a big chunk of
the deficit

so tell me how obama was really the president for hte last 9 years

cuz if you cant

then you're a racist


Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 04:58 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 20/02/2010 7:19 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:12:16 -0700,
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 6:44 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:35:05 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:18:13 -0500, wrote:



If you feel better blaming 'Bama's ****ups on racism, go for it.

OK i will. because it's the truth


One thing about making money, it does not care what your color or race
is. That is why Tiger Woods made so much money until he dicked it up.
I suppose now that is endorcemens are shrinking fast, it is racism... LMAO.



woods has no power

obama does. and you guys just can't handle it.


Yep, Obama has the power and is screwing it up big time.

Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 05:01 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 20/02/2010 7:23 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 20/02/2010 6:44 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:35:05 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:18:13 -0500, wrote:


first you guys said NO jobs were created NOW you admit he DID create
jobs.


They give a bunch of money to the San Francisco Muni for
maintenance and call that jobs saved and / or created. Government jobs
that
do not add to the real income of the USA. Government workers. How
many
real jobs, tax paying, GDP improving jobs were created for that $2
Trillion
buckeroos?

i'd rather do that than spend a trillion on a war for the iraqis who
hate us anyhow and killed 4400 american soldiers

you guys are just racist



If you feel better blaming 'Bama's ****ups on racism, go for it.

OK i will. because it's the truth


One thing about making money, it does not care what your color or race is.
That is why Tiger Woods made so much money until he dicked it up. I
suppose now that is endorcemens are shrinking fast, it is racism... LMAO.



My guess is that he's going to return to making money (and for his sponsors)
relatively soon. No one really cares about his sex addition in the long run.


Agreed. I even here his wife is getting back with him, what a dumb move
on her part. In 5 years we will hear Tiger was back at it again as sure
as the sun rises.

The only real reason he was sorry dawned on him when his accountant told
him the financial impact.

bpuharic February 21st 10 05:06 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:35:13 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 11:08 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:53:23 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:



What 800k to 2.5M real jobs? Did tax revenues increase from employment?


opportunity cost: we don't have to pay unemployment; people retain
skills; they have health insurance, they don't default on their
mortgages, credit card bills, etc


Unemployment costs are chicken **** in the big picture.


ah. it's a deficit problem only if you can blame it on the black guy,
right? he puts people to work

and he should let them starve. because that's what the rich white guy
would have done right?


For $2 trillion/year in debt that is about 40,000,000 jobs at $50,000 a
year. We sure did not see that bank for the buck. Not even close.


ALL of the deficit...ALL of it...

is bush's fault. before obama stepped into the oval office last year,
the deficit was predetermined

bush's war in iraq a trillion dollwar

bush's tax cuts for the rich...more deficit spending

that accounts for almost ALL the deficit.

yet you blame it on the black guy


What really happened is years of bad mortgage and loan defaults were on
the banks book, they just transfered it to the taxpayers. That does not
create jobs. OK, maybe a few civil servant lawyer types, but that was it.


obama had NOTHING to do with this. NOTHING

yet you say it's his fault

the only conclusion is that you say this 'cuz he's black. you admit,
sotto voce, it was the white guy's fault

but you really blame it on the black guy


and taxes have decreased because BUSH cut taxes in spite of the fact
it's destroyed the economy

but he's rich. he's white. so you'll say nothing about him


Taxes have decreased because unemployed people don't pay income taxes.


and according to

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

ALL of the deficit was caused by bush's tax policies and his war in
iraq

those costs are still with us. they were with us when obama was
inaugurated. he had NO control over them

yet you blame them on the black guy.




What destroyed the economy is congressional mishandling of money and
debt management. The signs were there in 2006 and 2007, but congress
chose to ignore the issues. Basically encouraged it to happen, as no
other explanation exists.


congress had little to do with bush's war or his tax cuts for the
rich. obama wants to restore sanity to tax policies but the GOP is
fighting this

what destroyed the economy was a trillion dollars ****ed away in iraq,
the tax cuts, etc

these policies were in place before obama took office. they cause the
deficit

yet you blame them on the black guy


To make maters worse, in Sept 2008 the US governmetn was in technical
default as they could no longer borrow to cover spending.


you DO know this happens almost every year, right?


With Obama
winning and the realization of government money creation going nuts, the
market crashed.

And today, still no progress on the issues that got us here.


blame it on the darkie. that'll solve the problem


bpuharic February 21st 10 05:07 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:11:51 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:



You are of course right, it was a bank bailout for their investors and
rich depositors with DC influence. Just moved the toxic debt from Wall
Street banks to main street taxpayers.


so let's let the banks collapse right. was that ever tried before?

yep. 1929. 25% unemployment.

more proof the right whiners hate the middle class


Now you have fewer jobs and more debt. The Obama way.


blame the darkie. the deficit was caused by a rich white guy

so the right blames it on the darkie


bpuharic February 21st 10 05:09 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:31:17 -0500, John H
wrote:


I have almost as much respect for 'Bama as you had for Bush. Keep pushing your
racism, but it's no excuse for the way 'Bama is ****ing up. You're actually
implying that his ****ups are due to his color, and that they should, therefore,
be overlooked. That's racist as hell.


since the deficit is bush's fault:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

obama has nothing to do with it. he IS black, however, so, rather than
blame the rich white guy, you blame the darkie


His ****ups are not due to his color. They're due to his attempts to socialize
this country, and his dishonest practices with those close to him.


he did nothing. bush caused the deficits

a trillion in iraq

massive unfunded tax cuts...

and yet you think that had NOTHING to do with the deficits. that alone
is proof that your'e a racist


Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 05:12 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 20/02/2010 11:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:36 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:07:53 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


i'd rather do that than spend a trillion on a war for the iraqis who
hate us anyhow and killed 4400 american soldiers

you guys are just racist



How the hell did you graduate high school? You sound more stupid and
disconnected from reality with every post you make.


am i sounding like a teabagger?


Yep. Look up the definition, teabagger has nothing to do with Tea Party.

Your agument says Bush
inherited a falling economy in his first year, so all problems were Clinton
caused


clinton passed on a balanced budget. and bush had 8 years to trash
the economy. y ou guys ignore that


Yep. Lets examine how Clinton did this.

Clinton says to banks, leverage up and keep rates artificially low so I
can spend the saved interest to balamnce the budget.

Banks say OK, while total nation's consumer debt starts its skyrocket in
a economi boom funded on debt. Filled the coffers and ablanced the
budget while debt funded it...until the balloon broke.

One could make a serious arguement the banking/debt problems started
long before Bush. I will say though, I am sure Bush knew of the issue
and either out of compacancy or ignorance didn't do anything to stop it.

Obama though, is just making it worse. His debt-bailout-corruptions
trategy just might go over a cliff at some point.

. Makes as much sense as absolving Obama of any blame. He is the
CEO, is his watch. The buck stops at Obama's desk.


bull****. only a racist would make this argument...THAT is divorced
from reality. you guys pretend that obama was supposed to cure all the
economic woes on jan 20 of last year

how was he supposed to increase taxes that bush cut? he couldnt

how was he supposed to IMMEDIATELY withdraw troops from iraq? he
couldnt

those were BUSH'S fault. and they account for about 7 of the 10
trillion dollars in deficit spending over the next 10 years

but you racists want to blame it on obama and ignore the rich white
guy


Typical liberal peace of ****. Always someone elses fault. Worse,
hiding behind the race card to boot. Hell, if Obama black ass didn't
want the heat, why the hell is he sitting in the chair?

Bushes fault at this point in the game is bull****. Time this
lib-dimwitt accepts the responsibility, stops dabling in debt-corruption
bailouts and invests in what works in American and tell the losser
leaches to bugger off.

bpuharic February 21st 10 05:28 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:58:25 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 7:19 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:12:16 -0700,
wrote:



woods has no power

obama does. and you guys just can't handle it.


Yep, Obama has the power and is screwing it up big time.


how can he screw up what the rich white guy already screwed up?

you racists just are too obvious


bpuharic February 21st 10 05:34 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:12:29 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 11:12 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:56:36 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:

How the hell did you graduate high school? You sound more stupid and
disconnected from reality with every post you make.


am i sounding like a teabagger?


Yep. Look up the definition, teabagger has nothing to do with Tea Party.


the teabaggers called themselves that 'til they found out what it
meant


Your agument says Bush
inherited a falling economy in his first year, so all problems were Clinton
caused


clinton passed on a balanced budget. and bush had 8 years to trash
the economy. y ou guys ignore that


Yep. Lets examine how Clinton did this.

Clinton says to banks, leverage up and keep rates artificially low so I
can spend the saved interest to balamnce the budget.

Banks say OK, while total nation's consumer debt starts its skyrocket in
a economi boom funded on debt. Filled the coffers and ablanced the
budget while debt funded it...until the balloon broke.


gee. and it took bush to screw it up. yet you blame it on the black
guy.

you say it was CLINTONS fault and bush had no control over the economy
after EIGHT YEARS????

but obama had TOTAL CONTROL over the economy from jan 20 of last year?

any mpre proof needed that you're a racist?

Obama though, is just making it worse. His debt-bailout-corruptions
trategy just might go over a cliff at some point.


your solution is 25% unemployment. a fact you refuse to admit, but
which would be the result of the collapse of the banking system

yep. blame the darkie. destroy the middle class.

typical right wing nonsense


but you racists want to blame it on obama and ignore the rich white
guy


Typical liberal peace of ****. Always someone elses fault


says the guy who says bush had NO control over the economy for 8 years

but obama had total control as of 12:01PM jan 20.

typical racist nonsense


Bushes fault at this point in the game is bull****. Time this
lib-dimwitt accepts the responsibility, stops dabling in debt-corruption
bailouts and invests in what works in American and tell the losser
leaches to bugger off.


he blames bush's problems on clinton...saying bush couldnt control
clintion's problems even after 8 years.

but then he says the darkie had control of the economy from the moment
his foot touched the carpet in the oval office

racist nonsense


bpuharic February 21st 10 05:37 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:16:16 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 7:36 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:22:27 -0700,
wrote:


that's racist



the policy was invented by bush's fed chairman ben bernanke

yet, because he worked for the rich white president you say nothing

racist

, I see GM going bankrupt thinking SEC
should be using SOX to charge Wagoner, yet Wagoner gets retirement
bonus. Same with banks, bonuses for losers. Big winners are the
Buffets not the middle class. Loser classes on the high and low end
living on middle class debt.


bush's tax cuts gutted the economy. you say nothing
bernanke engineering the bank rescue. he worked for the rich white
guy. you say nothing

you blame it all on the black guy. that's racist



that's racist

you need any more proof?


And what is Obama doing about it



he's letting bush's tax cuts expire

he's taking troops out of iraq

he's cutting discretionary spending where possible


Dick **** all, in fact he is spending 5 times faster than Bush


to cover bush's defict. the deficit already exists. it was caused by
the rich white guy....but you blame it on clinton, saying the rich
white guy had NO control over the economy...but the darkie did from
day 1.

racist

.. Keeps
the killing going, lies to us all, actually better than Bush could.
Bush started TARP at democrat and Obamas green light. Set Obama up with
a good little olde boyz bailout machine.


a bailout machine designed to increase employment, which everyone
admits it did...and to stop a 29 type crash

but you're a racist right winger. you blame it on the darkie AND want
25% unemployment


Maybe we should have kept Bush, as at least he didn't rack up the debt
so damned fast.


it's his deficit we're fighting you moron


Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 06:52 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 21/02/2010 9:55 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:41:10 -0700,
wrote:



It has been my observation in life that 98% of the time someone accuses
someone else of being racists, they are in fact the racist ones. In
this case,Obama can do no wrong because he is black is also racist.


and yet you have NO explanation for why, even though the deficit was
caused by bush


I disagree. Bushed added to it. But Obama is spending at 5 times the
rate Bush did. The last 13 months, Obama has been driving with a
democrat budget. 2009 is 100% democrat f--k up.

Unless you thing Bush was still running things.

you claim obama wants to destroy america.


If I wanted to destroy America, I wouldn't do 9/11. Waste of time.
Just makes the bear ornery. I would do the economy, as a broken economy
and in debt the United States would be neutrazized as a #1 super power.
Work the corruption of DC to my ends.

If I could get a president to rack up the debt, blow it as inefficiently
as possible, squander it. And convincingly lie to the people to do as
much damage as possible before getting the boot, it would be a great
plan as it might take America 100 years to recover.

And Obama would be my man.

see, if you j ust claimed obama was a bad politiican, that's one thing


No, Obama is a great politician. So was Adolph Hitler. Both could talk
up storm with the perception of a good justification and get the masses
to do something real stupid.

I really don't think the people of Germany in 1934 knew what Hitler was
really about. But they liked his talk.

but your paranoid screeds about how he's presiding over the
destruction of america


Unfortuntely, if America goes down, 1/2 the world will suffer for a very
long time. It is why it is such an attractive target to destroy. And
militarily, no one can touch the US without being annailated. But an
attack from inside has one hell of a lot better chances for success.

even though ALL the deficit is bush's fault...

that's racist


It is. Because since January 2009 Obama is in charge of the
Administration of the United States. He was working with a predominanly
democrat congressional budget. At any time he could have said this
debt-corruption-bailout spending was madness and changed direction.

He has been in a clear unobstructed position to change it for 13 months
and is actually debt spending at a rate 5 times more than Bush.

Don't watch Obama's lips move, don't watch the talk, watch the walk. He
is walking America right into a deap hole.

Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 06:56 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 21/02/2010 9:57 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:38:47 -0700,
wrote:


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


Then I guess Obama has Bush signing the checks.


so you think obama shouldnt fund US defense, interest on the national
debt, social security, etc.

that your solution?


For 13 months the government has been on Obama's agenda.

People voted for change. They voted for Obama hoping he wasn't corrupt,
in someone elses pocket and would pull in the government horns and spending.

Now it is overdue for Obama to do what people wanted him to do.

People got more corruption, more debt, less jobs and the promise of more
taxes to fund an Obama super sized debt spend.

And the problems remain.

even though ALL of the deficit...ALL of it...is bush's fault


Whatever. If Obama is dumb enough to ask for $1.6 trillon debt spend in
2010 and wants to blame Bush... that is Obama's option.

But you will never change my mind, Obama is full of ****.

Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 07:00 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 21/02/2010 9:58 AM, bpuharic wrote:

all of the deficit is bush's fault.. he started the war in iraq. that
was a trillion


You really do know how to show your utter ignorance of the facts. Did
you make it through high school? I ask as to pass math takes some minor
amount ot rationalization capabilities.

Plonk until you have something more intelligent to spew other than
beligerance to reality.

Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 08:34 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 21/02/2010 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:37:48 -0500, wrote:

it was caused by
the rich white guy....but you blame it on clinton, saying the rich
white guy had NO control over the economy


It is fair to blame the deregulation of the derivatives on Clinton, or
at least the gang of five he hired (Greenspan, Rubin, Summers,
Geithner and Reich) Three of them still guide financial policy for
Obama and Reich is still in the loop.
Have you seen the Frontline show about Brooksley Borne? (The Warning).
It is running now and also on the PBS web site.
I shows where this problem started and why it is not really fixed.
I know you blame it on Congress (particularly Gramm) but these were
the "experts" who advised congress and they worked for William
Jefferson Clinton.


There is a reason they did it. It was to prevent a 1980/81 interest
rate spike that occured. But by removing this, they also removed the
limiters prevening too much debt. Yes, they made debt cheap, but at the
price of an imbalance.

The imbalance still exists today. And there needs to be a way to limit
debt in order to put some sanity back into the system. Right now there
is no such balance. Thus, the problem still very much exists.

The liquidity crisis was the first real hard event of this, but I hate
the name, "liquidity" as it side tracks what really happened. What
really happened is even though the system is leveraged, the lenders
simply stopped lending as the yeilds were too low. Why lend money for
zero value return? All the risk and inadaquate return people just
stopped lending and moved money elsewhere.

Trouble really erupted in not in mortgages, but asset backed term paper
where loans terms were expiring and people wanted their money. Debtors
we unwilling to pay open market rates and started welshing. It is
really BS that home mortages were ever blamed although they did get
caught up in it. Most home owners were counting on a continuing
inflationary cycle to make sense of the debt levels, that never
happened. So many a welshers walked.

In fact, to this day this imbalance exists more than ever. Banks are
not really funded correctly with capital nor deposits. Welshers often
didn't pay for their welshing, but government and corrupt banks shifted
it to the taxpayers. And not one case has been tried for fraud or
debtor welshing.

Yep, the ponzi debt machine is still doing it.

Canuck57[_9_] February 21st 10 08:47 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 21/02/2010 7:20 AM, anon-e-moose wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:45:55 -0500, anon-e-moose
wrote:

How the hell did you graduate high school? You sound more stupid and
disconnected from reality with every post you make. Your agument
says Bush inherited a falling economy in his first year, so all
problems were Clinton caused. Makes as much sense as absolving Obama
of any blame. He is the CEO, is his watch. The buck stops at Obama's
desk.

Simmer down Calif Bill. Why do you even attempt to reason with
blockheads like wf3f or Nom de pustule? In their eyes, Obama ****s
ice cream. They like the taste. You can't argue with that.


now let's see.

it's provable the problems were caused by the rich white guy

the right whiners blame it on the black guy 'cuz rich white guys never
cause problems

yeah they're right. it has zip to do with race

You'll do your best to make it a race issue, won't you, bpubic?


Funny, that is how I identify with him, pubic hair.

He is a LOLA. (Liberal Obama Lying Asshole).



bpuharic February 21st 10 10:14 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:56:59 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 9:57 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:38:47 -0700,
wrote:


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.

Then I guess Obama has Bush signing the checks.


so you think obama shouldnt fund US defense, interest on the national
debt, social security, etc.

that your solution?


For 13 months the government has been on Obama's agenda.


and the deficit was created long before he got it. he's had to deal
with what he was given.

People got more corruption, more debt, less jobs


less jobs? really? you're the guy screaming we need 25% unemployment!


even though ALL of the deficit...ALL of it...is bush's fault


Whatever. If Obama is dumb enough to ask for $1.6 trillon debt spend in
2010 and wants to blame Bush... that is Obama's option.

But you will never change my mind, Obama is full of ****.


and he's black.

while the CAUSE of the problem...bush...was white.

and that, to you, is all the difference


bpuharic February 21st 10 10:15 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:00:03 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 21/02/2010 9:58 AM, bpuharic wrote:

all of the deficit is bush's fault.. he started the war in iraq. that
was a trillion


You really do know how to show your utter ignorance of the facts. Did
you make it through high school? I ask as to pass math takes some minor
amount ot rationalization capabilities.

Plonk until you have something more intelligent to spew other than
beligerance to reality.


i notice you don't address the facts

bush started the iraq war: one trillion dollars

bush cut taxes for the rich

but he's white. so you ignore what he did


bpuharic February 21st 10 10:18 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:56:07 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:37:48 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

it was caused by
the rich white guy....but you blame it on clinton, saying the rich
white guy had NO control over the economy


It is fair to blame the deregulation of the derivatives on Clinton


actually phil gramm. while the commodity futures marketing act was
passed under clinton, phil gramm filibustered the bill until the SEC's
role in regulating derivatives was stripped from the bill.

, or
at least the gang of five he hired (Greenspan, Rubin, Summers,
Geithner and Reich) Three of them still guide financial policy for
Obama and Reich is still in the loop.


i agree. and they were just wrong. free market fundamentalism was
wrong.

Have you seen the Frontline show about Brooksley Borne?


she is famous, and it's a wonder she's not been given a high profile
position in the administration

(The Warning).
It is running now and also on the PBS web site.
I shows where this problem started and why it is not really fixed.
I know you blame it on Congress (particularly Gramm) but these were
the "experts" who advised congress and they worked for William
Jefferson Clinton.


and clinton did not filibuster the bill

gramm did. he's the one to thank for the fact dervatives were and are
unregulated


nom=de=plume February 21st 10 11:36 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2010 8:43 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:


On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a percentage
of
world GDP.

We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.

Ya, but the real dope is in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

Busy morgaging your future.

Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.

Half black.



No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.


It has been my observation in life that 98% of the time someone accuses
someone else of being racists, they are in fact the racist ones. In this
case,Obama can do no wrong because he is black is also racist.



Your observation huh? Well, you should probably not attend any more teabag
rallies.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume February 21st 10 11:44 PM

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"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:05:43 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:



US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a percentage of
world GDP.

We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.

Ya, but the real dope is in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

Busy morgaging your future.

Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


All these folks are racist?

http://www.nbra.info/

Methinks you are full of ****, as usual. I see I've wasted more than one
remark
on you for February. You're almost as stupid as ninc=de=poop.
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the
support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw



Interestingly, they claim MLK, Jr. was a Republican, but there are no
records available that show this. I'd say they're misguided.

--
Nom=de=Plume



nom=de=plume February 22nd 10 12:08 AM

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 20/02/2010 7:23 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 20/02/2010 6:44 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:35:05 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:18:13 -0500,
wrote:


first you guys said NO jobs were created NOW you admit he DID create
jobs.


They give a bunch of money to the San Francisco Muni for
maintenance and call that jobs saved and / or created. Government
jobs
that
do not add to the real income of the USA. Government workers. How
many
real jobs, tax paying, GDP improving jobs were created for that $2
Trillion
buckeroos?

i'd rather do that than spend a trillion on a war for the iraqis who
hate us anyhow and killed 4400 american soldiers

you guys are just racist



If you feel better blaming 'Bama's ****ups on racism, go for it.

OK i will. because it's the truth

One thing about making money, it does not care what your color or race
is.
That is why Tiger Woods made so much money until he dicked it up. I
suppose now that is endorcemens are shrinking fast, it is racism...
LMAO.



My guess is that he's going to return to making money (and for his
sponsors)
relatively soon. No one really cares about his sex addition in the long
run.


Agreed. I even here his wife is getting back with him, what a dumb move
on her part. In 5 years we will hear Tiger was back at it again as sure
as the sun rises.

The only real reason he was sorry dawned on him when his accountant told
him the financial impact.



Ok. I need to lie down. I think we agree on something. :)

--
Nom=de=Plume



Bruce[_20_] February 22nd 10 12:15 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:



On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:



US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a percentage of
world GDP.


We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.


Ya, but the real dope is in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

Busy morgaging your future.

Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


Half black.


No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.


Why does the truth turn you into a confrontational bitch?

Bruce[_20_] February 22nd 10 12:16 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
TopBassDog wrote:
On Feb 20, 9:20 pm, wrote:

bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:


On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a percentage of
world GDP.


We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the Republicans for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.


Ya, but the real dope is in office:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms


Busy morgaging your future.


Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage


the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.

Half black.

Half white.

That, too.

nom=de=plume February 22nd 10 06:20 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
"Bruce" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:



On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:



US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a percentage
of
world GDP.


We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.


Ya, but the real dope is in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

Busy morgaging your future.

Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


Half black.


No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.


Why does the truth turn you into a confrontational bitch?



Why is a "VP of Sales" impersonating a 12 year old.

--
Nom=de=Plume



bpuharic February 22nd 10 09:50 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:38:12 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:18:03 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

and clinton did not filibuster the bill


No he pimped for it an he signed it with great fan fare. The major
opposition was from the house republicans but it was still weak.
I have posted the vote here several times. Blaming this on Gramm is
intellectually dishonest since it passed the senate with unanimous
consent.


it was going to pass WITH regulation of derivatives.

instead, gramm singlehandedly filibustered until regulation was
stripped out.

THAT was the bill that passed. kind of like passing a bill
decriminalizing bank robbery

which is, in effect, what the bill was

thanks to gramm


John H[_12_] February 22nd 10 02:54 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:38:12 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:18:03 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

and clinton did not filibuster the bill


No he pimped for it an he signed it with great fan fare. The major
opposition was from the house republicans but it was still weak.
I have posted the vote here several times. Blaming this on Gramm is
intellectually dishonest since it passed the senate with unanimous
consent.


You are having a discussion with a person who is 'intellect dishonest'
personified. But, have at it.
--

John H

Bill McKee February 22nd 10 09:47 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:11:51 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:



You are of course right, it was a bank bailout for their investors and
rich depositors with DC influence. Just moved the toxic debt from Wall
Street banks to main street taxpayers.


so let's let the banks collapse right. was that ever tried before?

yep. 1929. 25% unemployment.

more proof the right whiners hate the middle class


Now you have fewer jobs and more debt. The Obama way.


blame the darkie. the deficit was caused by a rich white guy

so the right blames it on the darkie


Why are you blaming Obama. Was a mostly white caused problem, Plus Raines.
Reid, Pelosi, et al are the major cause.



bpuharic February 22nd 10 11:10 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:47:54 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:11:51 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


so the right blames it on the darkie


Why are you blaming Obama. Was a mostly white caused problem, Plus Raines.
Reid, Pelosi, et al are the major cause.


sigh...if only i were rich....

and the righties seem to disagree with you. they think we had a
balanced budget, full employment, 25% wage increases for the middle
class up until 12:01 PM of january 20 of last year.



bpuharic February 22nd 10 11:11 PM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:47:25 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:50:29 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


which is, in effect, what the bill was

thanks to gramm


So you are discounting the testimony of Greenspan, Geithner and
Summers in front of the banking committee as having any effect at all
and laying the whole thing on Gramm.
Interesting spin.


none of those guys was in congress. although i DO blame them for being
the apostles of free market fundamentalism and channeling milton
friedman.

Bruce[_21_] February 23rd 10 12:18 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...


bpuharic wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:




On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:



On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:




US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a percentage
of
world GDP.



We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.



Ya, but the real dope is in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

Busy morgaging your future.

Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!



http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.



Half black.


No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.



Why does the truth turn you into a confrontational bitch?


Why is a "VP of Sales" impersonating a 12 year old.


Lame spin. No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.

nom=de=plume February 23rd 10 12:32 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
"Bruce" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...

nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
...


bpuharic wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:




On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:



On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:




US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. China is growing like the US is shrinking as a
percentage
of
world GDP.



We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the
Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.



Ya, but the real dope is in office:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

Busy morgaging your future.

Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!



http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1

the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage

the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.



Half black.


No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.



Why does the truth turn you into a confrontational bitch?


Why is a "VP of Sales" impersonating a 12 year old.


Lame spin. No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.



Have a cookie. You'll feel better!

--
Nom=de=Plume



bpuharic February 23rd 10 01:42 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:30:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:11:32 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:47:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:50:29 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


which is, in effect, what the bill was

thanks to gramm

So you are discounting the testimony of Greenspan, Geithner and
Summers in front of the banking committee as having any effect at all
and laying the whole thing on Gramm.
Interesting spin.


none of those guys was in congress. although i DO blame them for being
the apostles of free market fundamentalism and channeling milton
friedman.


Ayn Rand was Greenspan's guru.

OI am not a Johnny come lately on this. I was telling people in the
90s that the great economy we were hearing about was an illusion.


i gotta admit i was a bit hoodwinked by the free market fundies. i've
always been a 'social democrat' but took a few economics courses, read
friedman, and didn't appreciate that the size of the US economy could
hide a bubble the size of the one we just went through.

what i've learned is that economics is guesswork. i'm a chemist. if
we knew as little about chemistry as economists know about economics,
the atmosphere would catch fire every time someone lit a match.

nom=de=plume February 23rd 10 02:35 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:30:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:11:32 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:47:25 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:50:29 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


which is, in effect, what the bill was

thanks to gramm

So you are discounting the testimony of Greenspan, Geithner and
Summers in front of the banking committee as having any effect at all
and laying the whole thing on Gramm.
Interesting spin.

none of those guys was in congress. although i DO blame them for being
the apostles of free market fundamentalism and channeling milton
friedman.


Ayn Rand was Greenspan's guru.

OI am not a Johnny come lately on this. I was telling people in the
90s that the great economy we were hearing about was an illusion.


i gotta admit i was a bit hoodwinked by the free market fundies. i've
always been a 'social democrat' but took a few economics courses, read
friedman, and didn't appreciate that the size of the US economy could
hide a bubble the size of the one we just went through.

what i've learned is that economics is guesswork. i'm a chemist. if
we knew as little about chemistry as economists know about economics,
the atmosphere would catch fire every time someone lit a match.



Economics... the dismal science.

The allure of free market capitalism is strong. And, there are lots of
psychological factors that are included, so it's not just that economic
numbers can be complicated, but there's a strong individual psychology at
play as well. Fun classes, but I never liked micro that much. Macro is more
interesting.

--
Nom=de=Plume



bpuharic February 23rd 10 03:04 AM

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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:35:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:30:17 -0500, wrote:


Ayn Rand was Greenspan's guru.

OI am not a Johnny come lately on this. I was telling people in the
90s that the great economy we were hearing about was an illusion.


i gotta admit i was a bit hoodwinked by the free market fundies. i've
always been a 'social democrat' but took a few economics courses, read
friedman, and didn't appreciate that the size of the US economy could
hide a bubble the size of the one we just went through.

what i've learned is that economics is guesswork. i'm a chemist. if
we knew as little about chemistry as economists know about economics,
the atmosphere would catch fire every time someone lit a match.



Economics... the dismal science.

The allure of free market capitalism is strong. And, there are lots of
psychological factors that are included, so it's not just that economic
numbers can be complicated, but there's a strong individual psychology at
play as well. Fun classes, but I never liked micro that much. Macro is more
interesting.


my academic exposure to economics is limited to 2 courses i took in
grad school. i think the attractiveness of the free market idea is
it's simple. economists can play with it without getting their hands
dirty in the real world.

but when you look at the track record of economists in predicting the
outcomes of their theories, it's literally no better than guesswork.

i come at this from a physical science orientation, having an MS in
chemical physics. quantum mechanics and thermodynamics don't leave
alot of wiggle room in the accuracy of their predictions (eg the lamb
shift is accurate to 11 decimal places).

economics is breathtaking both in its simplicity and in its
inaccuracy.

and i agree, macro is much more interesting than micro.


TopBassDog February 23rd 10 06:39 AM

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On Feb 22, 6:32*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

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nom=de=plume wrote:
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nom=de=plume wrote:


* wrote in message
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bpuharic wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:27:36 -0700,
wrote:


On 20/02/2010 4:28 PM, your kind of guy wrote:


On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:12:46 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


US isn't going to go belly up, but take a step down the economic
ladder,
you bet. *China is growing like the US is shrinking as a
percentage
of
world GDP.


We all knew that when W.Bush was making a dope out of the
Republicans
for
eight years. jeeesis, were you locked up at the time.


Ya, but the real dope is in office:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms


Busy morgaging your future.


Look a the Barack Obama world record debt increase of 35%!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa...36&emailView=1


the racist ignores the fact bush caused the deficits that obama is
trying to manage


the white guy caused it. so he blames it on the black guy.


Half black.


No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.


Why does the truth turn you into a confrontational bitch?


Why is a "VP of Sales" impersonating a 12 year old.


Lame spin. *No problem. You're full blooded racist, apparently.


Have a cookie. You'll feel better!

--
Nom=de=Plume


Get fresh batteries. You'll feel better!

Bill McKee February 23rd 10 06:53 PM

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wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:35:18 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Economics... the dismal science.


I agree. One of my internet friends was an economics professor at a
large midwestern university and now he works at the fed. I had these
arguments with him about the illusion of prosperity in the 90s and he
simply could not imagine a housing collapse on the scale we had.
I am also not much of a fan of the MBA programs. We have people with
business degrees who were taught by 3d generation professors who never
actually ran a business.
Just to put this in a perspective you can understand, GW Bush has a
Harvard MBA degree.


I worked for a company started by a Stanford MBA professor. Company did not
do well until they brought in Ray Noorda to turn it around. A couple years
ago, I am talking to a guy who took a course from him at Stanford. He told
of a guy in the class from France. He said one of the only guys on campus
with a Ferrari. He got in a debate with the teacher and the prof said that
was just the way it is. French guy closed his book, got up and left
Stanford over the idiocy. Went back to France and started Swatch Corp. Not
real business experience in the teacher land.



Jim February 24th 10 12:55 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
Canuck57 wrote:


My typo. Breed. That is the worst part of you, you might breed or have
already.

Stick this into you Obama is so good...shows what happened when Obama
became el presidente.

http://tinyurl.com/ycwcnfm

Hey, Obama I see you lips move, but where is the walk?? LOL Obama I am
sure has some limp excuses for this chart. And given this is a long
recession, it is now safe to call it a depression!!! The Obama Depression.


Cannuck, ever think you're talking to crazy people?
Yep. Wish we had you down here in the States to get things right.

Lib - Can't see a smart man - because they're crazy.

Canuck57[_9_] February 24th 10 04:14 AM

obama's stimulus works at creating jobs
 
On 23/02/2010 5:55 PM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


My typo. Breed. That is the worst part of you, you might breed or have
already.

Stick this into you Obama is so good...shows what happened when Obama
became el presidente.

http://tinyurl.com/ycwcnfm

Hey, Obama I see you lips move, but where is the walk?? LOL Obama I am
sure has some limp excuses for this chart. And given this is a long
recession, it is now safe to call it a depression!!! The Obama
Depression.


Cannuck, ever think you're talking to crazy people?


Yep.

Yep. Wish we had you down here in the States to get things right.


Need a GC.

Lib - Can't see a smart man - because they're crazy.


Agreed, blinded by the turds.


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