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On 17/01/2010 5:12 PM, Bruce wrote:
John H wrote: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:00:48 -0500, wrote: "C. Mor wrote in message ... What a gal huh? She is running the screwiest campaign up here I've seen in a long time. The radio airways are saturated with what are intended to be negative ads about Brown but they miss there mark. In them the name "Scott Brown" and the word "Republican" is repeated over and over with obscure references to his campaign stump speeches or position statements that are not very clear and really don't register to the listener. Her name never comes up until the end when in a softer, fast spoken acknowledgement of "paid for by the Coakley campaign committee" or something like that. To the casual radio listener, all that sticks in one's head is "Scott Brown" and "Republican". It will be interesting to see what that recall produces on Tuesday. Eisboch Hey, if I bring myself, my wife, my kids, and grandkids, do you think we could get registered to vote in Massachusetts by ACORN, and then surprise them with a Republican vote? Just wondering. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous They'll set you up with absentee ballots. Democrat chad? I often wonder why government has in essnce sabotaged electronic voting. If done right, it would be far better than the back door where cards are moved. I often wonder just how democratic hand counted votes really are. Say an electronic system that posted the vote real time to 8 different sources PLUS a paper copy. All 9 should agree. Since all 9 will go to different groups, univerities, state governments, maybe even CNBC and Fox... all should agree. If one is out but the other 8 agree, the corruption is known. They all must announce the tally at teh same time inside of 5 minutes of poll close. Makes it much harder to stack the deck and results before bed time. Let the new age pony, the internet deliver.... Maybe what the government really is scared of is that such a secure system could in fact be used directly on maters the congress and senate do today! That is, senate/congress must sell the people on the ideas and then the people vote directly. A corruption bill like GM would fall flat on it's ass. So would other bailout corruptions and debt spend. Removes the lobster dinners and cash incentives from the representatives. Neuters the back room deal. Bet many statistical annomolies in even recent election results would disappear. Which is why they want flawed, cheap systems that fail. Keep the power in the back room deals that sell us all out. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/01/2010 5:12 PM, Bruce wrote: John H wrote: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:00:48 -0500, wrote: "C. Mor wrote in message ... What a gal huh? She is running the screwiest campaign up here I've seen in a long time. The radio airways are saturated with what are intended to be negative ads about Brown but they miss there mark. In them the name "Scott Brown" and the word "Republican" is repeated over and over with obscure references to his campaign stump speeches or position statements that are not very clear and really don't register to the listener. Her name never comes up until the end when in a softer, fast spoken acknowledgement of "paid for by the Coakley campaign committee" or something like that. To the casual radio listener, all that sticks in one's head is "Scott Brown" and "Republican". It will be interesting to see what that recall produces on Tuesday. Eisboch Hey, if I bring myself, my wife, my kids, and grandkids, do you think we could get registered to vote in Massachusetts by ACORN, and then surprise them with a Republican vote? Just wondering. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous They'll set you up with absentee ballots. Democrat chad? I often wonder why government has in essnce sabotaged electronic voting. If done right, it would be far better than the back door where cards are moved. I often wonder just how democratic hand counted votes really are. Say an electronic system that posted the vote real time to 8 different sources PLUS a paper copy. All 9 should agree. Since all 9 will go to different groups, univerities, state governments, maybe even CNBC and Fox... all should agree. If one is out but the other 8 agree, the corruption is known. They all must announce the tally at teh same time inside of 5 minutes of poll close. Makes it much harder to stack the deck and results before bed time. Let the new age pony, the internet deliver.... Maybe what the government really is scared of is that such a secure system could in fact be used directly on maters the congress and senate do today! That is, senate/congress must sell the people on the ideas and then the people vote directly. A corruption bill like GM would fall flat on it's ass. So would other bailout corruptions and debt spend. Removes the lobster dinners and cash incentives from the representatives. Neuters the back room deal. Bet many statistical annomolies in even recent election results would disappear. Which is why they want flawed, cheap systems that fail. Keep the power in the back room deals that sell us all out. A. You have no understanding of how the sort of democracy we have here works. That sort of "proposition voting" has ruined california. B. In large elections, in hand counting, the ballots are counted in a bipartisan fashion. The problem with electronic voting is that the damned machines and systems are manufactured and software-controlled by partisan corporations. |
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![]() "H :) K" wrote in message m... Canuck57 wrote: On 17/01/2010 5:12 PM, Bruce wrote: John H wrote: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:00:48 -0500, wrote: "C. Mor wrote in message ... What a gal huh? She is running the screwiest campaign up here I've seen in a long time. The radio airways are saturated with what are intended to be negative ads about Brown but they miss there mark. In them the name "Scott Brown" and the word "Republican" is repeated over and over with obscure references to his campaign stump speeches or position statements that are not very clear and really don't register to the listener. Her name never comes up until the end when in a softer, fast spoken acknowledgement of "paid for by the Coakley campaign committee" or something like that. To the casual radio listener, all that sticks in one's head is "Scott Brown" and "Republican". It will be interesting to see what that recall produces on Tuesday. Eisboch Hey, if I bring myself, my wife, my kids, and grandkids, do you think we could get registered to vote in Massachusetts by ACORN, and then surprise them with a Republican vote? Just wondering. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous They'll set you up with absentee ballots. Democrat chad? I often wonder why government has in essnce sabotaged electronic voting. If done right, it would be far better than the back door where cards are moved. I often wonder just how democratic hand counted votes really are. Say an electronic system that posted the vote real time to 8 different sources PLUS a paper copy. All 9 should agree. Since all 9 will go to different groups, univerities, state governments, maybe even CNBC and Fox... all should agree. If one is out but the other 8 agree, the corruption is known. They all must announce the tally at teh same time inside of 5 minutes of poll close. Makes it much harder to stack the deck and results before bed time. Let the new age pony, the internet deliver.... Maybe what the government really is scared of is that such a secure system could in fact be used directly on maters the congress and senate do today! That is, senate/congress must sell the people on the ideas and then the people vote directly. A corruption bill like GM would fall flat on it's ass. So would other bailout corruptions and debt spend. Removes the lobster dinners and cash incentives from the representatives. Neuters the back room deal. Bet many statistical annomolies in even recent election results would disappear. Which is why they want flawed, cheap systems that fail. Keep the power in the back room deals that sell us all out. A. You have no understanding of how the sort of democracy we have here works. That sort of "proposition voting" has ruined california. B. In large elections, in hand counting, the ballots are counted in a bipartisan fashion. The problem with electronic voting is that the damned machines and systems are manufactured and software-controlled by partisan corporations. Propositions have helped and hurt Calif. What has ruined California is a Legislature that became career Legislators and get tons of money for back room deals. Overspending, etc. Yes the electorate has voted yes on some doziness. Such as the high speed rail and the Stem Cell research, where if anything is discovered the electorate does not share in the profits. Prop 13 did not ruin Calif, saved it. The state still gets $50 BILLION in property tax revenue. But we have an overspending Legislature that has gerrymandered the districts to get 95% retention. Will change next year with a citizen committee to draw lines. |
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On 18/01/2010 8:20 PM, H :) K wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 17/01/2010 5:12 PM, Bruce wrote: John H wrote: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:00:48 -0500, wrote: "C. Mor wrote in message ... What a gal huh? She is running the screwiest campaign up here I've seen in a long time. The radio airways are saturated with what are intended to be negative ads about Brown but they miss there mark. In them the name "Scott Brown" and the word "Republican" is repeated over and over with obscure references to his campaign stump speeches or position statements that are not very clear and really don't register to the listener. Her name never comes up until the end when in a softer, fast spoken acknowledgement of "paid for by the Coakley campaign committee" or something like that. To the casual radio listener, all that sticks in one's head is "Scott Brown" and "Republican". It will be interesting to see what that recall produces on Tuesday. Eisboch Hey, if I bring myself, my wife, my kids, and grandkids, do you think we could get registered to vote in Massachusetts by ACORN, and then surprise them with a Republican vote? Just wondering. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous They'll set you up with absentee ballots. Democrat chad? I often wonder why government has in essnce sabotaged electronic voting. If done right, it would be far better than the back door where cards are moved. I often wonder just how democratic hand counted votes really are. Say an electronic system that posted the vote real time to 8 different sources PLUS a paper copy. All 9 should agree. Since all 9 will go to different groups, univerities, state governments, maybe even CNBC and Fox... all should agree. If one is out but the other 8 agree, the corruption is known. They all must announce the tally at teh same time inside of 5 minutes of poll close. Makes it much harder to stack the deck and results before bed time. Let the new age pony, the internet deliver.... Maybe what the government really is scared of is that such a secure system could in fact be used directly on maters the congress and senate do today! That is, senate/congress must sell the people on the ideas and then the people vote directly. A corruption bill like GM would fall flat on it's ass. So would other bailout corruptions and debt spend. Removes the lobster dinners and cash incentives from the representatives. Neuters the back room deal. Bet many statistical annomolies in even recent election results would disappear. Which is why they want flawed, cheap systems that fail. Keep the power in the back room deals that sell us all out. A. You have no understanding of how the sort of democracy we have here works. That sort of "proposition voting" has ruined california. If government was forced to live inside it's means, it wouldn't be a problem. Maybe a constitutional ammednment forbidding state and civic debt, granfathering existing debt to paydown only. Maybe even extend this to the federal government. If the govenor had balls, he would start shuting down parts of government until they downsize their budgets. Send every other person home every other month without wages until the budget is balanced for 6 months. B. In large elections, in hand counting, the ballots are counted in a bipartisan fashion. The problem with electronic voting is that the damned machines and systems are manufactured and software-controlled by partisan corporations. Ever heard of open source? Let as many see the source as possible to vette it. I don't really trust closed source as I have worked in an environment where I saw the back doors delibertately put right into the system, even the chips themselves. So when Microsoft had the fiasco of NSKey inside of the OS crypto, it wasn't really a surprize. And as I said, if done right electronic voting could easily be more secure than manual counting, hell, few can count the pile the same twice in an evening let alone twice in a row. But government is fearful of the people having more control and electronic voting is high on the list of do not let out of the bag. |
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On 18/01/2010 10:31 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
"H :) wrote in message m... Canuck57 wrote: On 17/01/2010 5:12 PM, Bruce wrote: John H wrote: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:00:48 -0500, wrote: "C. Mor wrote in message ... What a gal huh? She is running the screwiest campaign up here I've seen in a long time. The radio airways are saturated with what are intended to be negative ads about Brown but they miss there mark. In them the name "Scott Brown" and the word "Republican" is repeated over and over with obscure references to his campaign stump speeches or position statements that are not very clear and really don't register to the listener. Her name never comes up until the end when in a softer, fast spoken acknowledgement of "paid for by the Coakley campaign committee" or something like that. To the casual radio listener, all that sticks in one's head is "Scott Brown" and "Republican". It will be interesting to see what that recall produces on Tuesday. Eisboch Hey, if I bring myself, my wife, my kids, and grandkids, do you think we could get registered to vote in Massachusetts by ACORN, and then surprise them with a Republican vote? Just wondering. -- John H "If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!" --Anonymous They'll set you up with absentee ballots. Democrat chad? I often wonder why government has in essnce sabotaged electronic voting. If done right, it would be far better than the back door where cards are moved. I often wonder just how democratic hand counted votes really are. Say an electronic system that posted the vote real time to 8 different sources PLUS a paper copy. All 9 should agree. Since all 9 will go to different groups, univerities, state governments, maybe even CNBC and Fox... all should agree. If one is out but the other 8 agree, the corruption is known. They all must announce the tally at teh same time inside of 5 minutes of poll close. Makes it much harder to stack the deck and results before bed time. Let the new age pony, the internet deliver.... Maybe what the government really is scared of is that such a secure system could in fact be used directly on maters the congress and senate do today! That is, senate/congress must sell the people on the ideas and then the people vote directly. A corruption bill like GM would fall flat on it's ass. So would other bailout corruptions and debt spend. Removes the lobster dinners and cash incentives from the representatives. Neuters the back room deal. Bet many statistical annomolies in even recent election results would disappear. Which is why they want flawed, cheap systems that fail. Keep the power in the back room deals that sell us all out. A. You have no understanding of how the sort of democracy we have here works. That sort of "proposition voting" has ruined california. B. In large elections, in hand counting, the ballots are counted in a bipartisan fashion. The problem with electronic voting is that the damned machines and systems are manufactured and software-controlled by partisan corporations. Propositions have helped and hurt Calif. What has ruined California is a Legislature that became career Legislators and get tons of money for back room deals. Overspending, etc. Yes the electorate has voted yes on some doziness. Such as the high speed rail and the Stem Cell research, where if anything is discovered the electorate does not share in the profits. Prop 13 did not ruin Calif, saved it. The state still gets $50 BILLION in property tax revenue. But we have an overspending Legislature that has gerrymandered the districts to get 95% retention. Will change next year with a citizen committee to draw lines. So maybe what is needed is for bankers to force California into bankruptcy before they owe too much. Thus steming the perpetual taxpayer abuse, and fire quite a few of the perps in the deal. Seriously, I think we are going to see more governments go into default. All the welchers are trying to do a GM manover, a federal bailout. But who is going to bailout the feds? |
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:50:39 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:
If government was forced to live inside it's means, it wouldn't be a problem. Maybe a constitutional ammednment forbidding state and civic debt, granfathering existing debt to paydown only. Maybe even extend this to the federal government. Yeah, right. I'll remind you, without deficit financing we could not have won WWII. |
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The victims' side of the story.
Amirault was found guilty and this verdict was upheld several times by both political parties. There were physical findings of abuse in the children and the children showed signs of strong sexualized behaviors after the abuse. The children as adults continue to state they were abused. http://eassurvey.wordpress.com/2010/...amirault-case/ Fells Acres – Amirault Case for information on more cases, see http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/ar...d-abuse-cases/ Letters to the Editor: The Real Darkness Is Child Abuse WALL STREET JOURNAL (J) 02/24/95 Hardoon The three Amiraults — Gerald, Violet and Cheryl – were convicted after two trials before different judges and juries almost one year apart. They were represented by able and well-known defense counsel. The convictions were upheld after review by state and federal appellate courts….in Amirault, the majority of the female children who testified had some relevant physical findings, as did several female children involved in the investigation who did not participate in the trial. The findings included labial adhesions and hymenal scarring of the sort present in avery small percentage of non-sexually abused children….The victims and their families in these cases have been irrevocably harmed by what was done to them by the Amiraults. Every argument raised by Ms. Rabinowitz was ably presented by the defense at the trials. The juries, by their verdicts, rejected these arguments. Justice was done.http://web.archive.org/web/20010719201703/http:// www.vocal-nasvo.org/hardoon.htm see for actual case evidence http://abusearticles.wordpress.com/c...8-page-622.jpg “All nine children testified in a broadly consistent way…The children testified to numerous instances of sexual abuse. Some of the children testified that they were photographed during this abuse, describing a big camera with wires, a red button, and pictures which came out of the camera. The children testified that the defendant threatened them and told them that their families would be harmed if they told anyone about the abuse….The Commonwealth also presented a pediatric gynecologist and pediatrician who examined five of the girls who testified…She made findings consistent with abuse in four of the girls.” Mass. Victims Fight Commutation Plea By Leslie Miller, Associated Press Writer CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) – Victims in the Fells Acres child abuse case broke down Thursday as they described their pain publicly for the first time in hopes of keeping the last person convicted in the case behind bars. Victims urged her to keep Amirault in prison. “During counseling meetings as a child, I would speak of a tall man touching me and taking pictures of me,” Phaedra Hopkins, 20, said at an emotional news conference. “So many times, Mr. Amirault hovered over me, touched me and hurt me and committed many disgusting acts of abuse.” Those children, now adults, stood by their testimony Thursday. “This family raped me, molested me and totally ruined my life,’’said Jennifer Bennett, who was 3 1/2 years old when she started at Fells Acres. “We weren’t coaxed. We weren’t lying. We’re telling the truth and we always will,” said Bennett, 22. “I was there. None of you were there. We weren’t coaxed, nor were we ever ever ever brainwashed.”Brian Martinello, 21, said he was sexually abused by Amirault. His mother, Barbara Standke, claims her son came home from the day care with sores on his genitals and other people’s underwear. “I think it’s an absolute disgrace to let anyone out of prison for such a disgusting crime,” Martinello said.http://web.archive.org/web/ 20010807011330/http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010802/us/ preschool_abuse_3.html Governor explains Amirault decision Says she needed to ‘live with myself’ By Douglas Belkin and Frank Phillips, Globe Staff, 2/21/2002 In her announcement, Swift said her first consideration was whether there was ”overwhelming evidence” to contradict the jury conviction and two decisions by the Supreme Judicial Court upholding the verdict. ”I concluded there was not,” she said. Swift said that she also considered the two guidelines for a commutation: that the sentence is too severe and that the person had made ”exceptional strides in self- development.” ”Again, my answer was no,” Swift said. ”I concluded after that review that the jury and the Supreme [Court] decisions should be upheld and that under the commutation guidelines commutation was not warranted,” Swift said….But ultimately, she said, she concluded that the sentence was appropriate and consistent with other cases. Pressed on how she could come up with a far different judgment than the five members of the Parole Board, Swift said her staff conducted ”a more exhaustive review of all of the legal aspects” than the board did. http://web.archive.org/web/200202212...ecision+.shtml Witness praises Amirault decision By John Ellement, Globe Staff, 2/23/2002 CAMBRIDGE – Jen Bennett wants to give Acting Governor Jane Swift a bear hug in appreciation, and she wants Gerald Amirault to admit he sexually abused her when she attended the Fells Acres Day Care Center in Malden in the 1980s. Bennett was one of nine children who testified against Amirault during his three-month trial in 1986, which ended with his conviction on multiple rape and molestation charges. He was sentenced to 30 to 40 years in prison….As for Amirault, ”I want to say to Mr. Amirault: Admit your guilt, you did this. He is where he is supposed to be. I will fight against you to the end. He destroyed my childhood.” Harriett Dell’Anno, whose daughter was one of the victims, echoed Bennett’s insistence that children were sexually violated and also thanked Swift for keeping Amirault in prison….Hardoon also said the quality of the investigation and the actions of prosecutors, police, and social workers working with the children were all scrutinized intensely during Gerald Amirault’s trial – and still the jury convicted. He said Amirault supporters are focusing on 2 percent of the children’s claims that ‘’seem inexplicable and they are conveniently ignoring the 98 percent of the case that was overwhelming” against Amirault.…Middlesex District Attorney Martha Coakley, who inherited the case from former district attorneys Scott Harshbarger and Thomas F. Reilly, said Amirault’s insistence that he is innocent does not make it true. She drew a parallel between John Geoghan, the former Catholic priest sentenced to 9 to 10 years in prison Thursday for molesting a child. Like Amirault, Geoghan insisted that he, too, was innocent, she said. ”Admitting to child abuse is a very difficult and often, a never-seen thing,” she said. Coakley said it was time for Amirault and his supporters to end their pursuit of an early release from prison so that the victims can finally begin to fully heal from the trauma he caused them as children. http://web.archive.org/web/200202240...ecision+.shtml Swift won’t free Tooky by David R. Guarino and Elisabeth J. Beardsley Wednesday, February 20, 2002 Convicted child molester Gerald “Tooky” Amirault lost his best shot at freedom yesterday, denied commutation of his sentence by acting Gov. Jane M. Swift in another stunning turn to the roller coaster abuse case. Swift rejected the unanimous July Parole Board recommendation that there was “real and substantial doubt” of Amirault’s guilt. Taking sides in a highly charged case as she drops in election-year polls, Swift said Amirault should be jailed at least until he’s up for parole in 2004 on his 30- to 40-year sentence. “She carefully analyzed every bit of information generated through the investigation and came to her decision that the verdict was just and the sentence was appropriate,” said Swift spokesman James Borghesani….victims rejoiced last night, praising the acting governor for standing up to the Parole Board and claiming vindication after years of doubts about the case. “All along, they’ve always told the truth,” said Harriet Dell’Anno of Lynn, whose daughter, Jamie, remains in therapy over the incidents. Barbara Standke of Tewksbury, whose son, Brian Martinello, was molested when he was 4, said, “He may be doing 20 years, but my son’s doing life.” Amirault, his sister, Cheryl LeFave, and their mother, Violet, were convicted after a parade of children told horror stories about being fondled, raped.http:// web.archive.org/web/20020305205020/http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/ local_regional/swif02202002.htm More evidence of guilt in this case where the conviction was upheld after several appeals. COMMONWEALTH vs. GERALD AMIRAULT. 404 Mass. 221 December 6, 1988 – March 6, 1989 “The parents of the child witnesses testified about their children’s behavior while, or shortly after, attending Fells Acres. The children complained and cried about the school; they complained of stomachaches, headaches, pain in their genital areas, and bowel problems. They began bedwetting, lost their appetites, had nightmares, used baby talk, became fearful of lights, of men, and of being left alone. The children also displayed sexually explicit behavior; some began masturbating. Two of the boys tried to stick their tongues into their mothers’ mouths.” COMMONWEALTH vs. VIOLET AMIRAULT (and eleven companion cases [Note 1]). COMMONWEALTH vs. GERALD AMIRAULT. 424 Mass. 618 October 9, 1996 – March 24, 1997* “All nine children testified in a broadly consistent way. [Note 6] The children testified to numerous instances of sexual abuse....The children testified that the defendant threatened them and told them that their families would be harmed if they told anyone about the abuse. Parents and relatives of the children testified and related the circumstances in which the children’s disclosures of abuse took place. These parents also testified to instances of extremely sexualized behavior on the part of the children including masturbation, sexualized play with dolls, boys sticking their tongues in the mouths of their mothers, and the simulation of sexual acts. Many of the children also developed generalized symptoms indicative of trauma such as bedwetting, baby talk, pain in their genital areas, headaches and stomach aches, and fearfulness. The Commonwealth presented a child psychiatrist who testified as to three major points. First, she testified that children who are abused often delay revealing the abuse out of fear, guilt, or lack of trust. Second, she described the sorts of sexualized behaviors abused children can show, acknowledging that although these behaviors can be prompted by circumstances other than abuse, they do occur most frequently in abused children. Third, she related nonspecific symptoms of trauma such as bedwetting, fearfulness. and babytalk which she claimed were common in abused children. The Commonwealth also presented a pediatric gynecologist and pediatrician who examined five of the girls who testified against Gerald. She made findings consistent with abuse in four of the girls….The parents of several children testified that their children developed pronounced sexual behavior and regressed to infantile behaviors such as bedwetting and baby talk. The same child psychiatrist who appeared at Gerald’s trial testified that these behaviors were commonly indicative of sexual abuse. “ |
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