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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:02:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 17/01/2010 12:45 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On 17/01/2010 11:48 AM, Harry Krause wrote:
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yds4pu9 or:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011602884.html


'Nuff said.

--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

Why is everyone so upset about this, I mean there are 49 other
states
who can pick up the slack. What is the big deal?

Isn't socilaism great as long as someone else pays for it?

Fortunately, you don't have to worry about it, since you're not
planning
on
coming back to the US.

Wrong'obama-your mama influences us up here. The official opposition
leader is from the same alumni as Obama, preaching the same crap of
debt-tax spend up here. We are where the US will be under Obamanation.

In that case, you should move somewhere else! Perhaps you can find a
place
without an Internet connection?


Canada contributed over $100 billion of debt-corruption-bailout spend
in
2009, given our population base at least as big of a screwing. And
they
are American corporations, not Canadian. In fact, GM/Chrylser/banks
left
Ottawa so far in the hole they didn't touch NorTel...let it die.

Suggestion: rec.boats.canadian.canuck-is-a-crackpot

It isn't just California, Ontario, Quebec and BC are in financial
issues
now too, same reason, too much liberal debt-spending.

If I move to south or central America, get that cheap 15% foreign
investment tax rate.

Feel free!


Why would I move into a high tax rate area? To pay for Obamanation? I
am
not that charitable.

Good. We don't need you here.

Who is the 'we' for whom you speak? If it's the plum and Harry, you
may be correct. He makes you both sound like vacuous blondes.


It's the royal we. Seems to me you're obsessed with me and with Harry. Are
you bi?

--
Nom=de=Plume

~~ Snerk ~~
Yes Johnny... the truth will set you free!

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:16:06 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:02 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


ever hear of john maynard keynes?

no. i suppose not. i suggest you read him. even a conservative might
learn something.

you morons caused the economy to collapse. the ONLY institution left
that had any spending power was the govt.



Ever hear of Japan's "Lost Decade"?
Keynesian Economics practiced to the letter by the government of Japan.
It didn't work.

it's still going on. and it has nothing to do with keynesian
economics. it has to do with the mercantilist policies of japan


Actually, Japan has never truly recovered. It's economic problems have
persisted
for much longer than a decade. But, our government is now trying exactly
the same thing.


we've had 30 years of free market fundamentalism with the greatest
economic inequality of any country in the western world. social
democracies in europe have per capita GDP's equal to ours, while they
maintain a safety net we only dream of.

and the rich here are richer than anywhere else while the middle class
pays for their mistakes


The answer is jobs. Re-vitalize the US manufacturing sector. Institute
tariffs on anything
imported.

tariffs don't work. they never have.



Keynesian Economics is valid in an open, balanced and fair trade market. It
has no application to the
current problems. The academics need to get their noses out of the books
and take a
look around them.

keynesian economics saved the US from a 2nd 30's style depression.
friedman's monetarism caused the collapse

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:12 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/01/2010 6:16 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message


Right now China applies a tariff of 18% on any manufactured goods imported
from the US.
The US applies no tariff to imported Chinese goods. Zero. Nada. Zip.

Keynesian Economics is valid in an open, balanced and fair trade market. It
has no application to the
current problems. The academics need to get their noses out of the books
and take a
look around them.

Eisboch

I would not count on it. They are past the point of no return in
reality. No easy way out now as all they have done is made the hole
deeper. That door was closed with the massive current print and huge
debt increase, both of which have yet to be realized. Seals the fate to
a Japanese type scenario for the near and mid term.

In fact, Japan is teatering on bankruptcy as a country. The Yen
currency is in real danger of colapse (rapid devaluation). Watching
this closely as Japan is bigger than Iceland, and the impacts of a major
country like Japan getting into serious default could be next.



uh no. the hole was already dug by the conservative fundamentalist
deregulators and the fairy tales of CDO's that they wrote. they wrote
the checks.

we're now paying for them

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:01:51 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/01/2010 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote:


you morons caused the economy to collapse. the ONLY institution left
that had any spending power was the govt.


the rich have already buggered the middle class. 30 years of no pay
increases. no job security. no health benefits. no pensions



like i said, you might start with the former milton friedman disciple
and free market fundamentalist, richard posner, and his essay 'why i
am now a keynesian'

you conservatives...you have your myths. your little fairy tales. and
they keep you warm at night, like a frightened puppy

You should read up on real examples of Keynesian. One huge problem with
_all_ these off the wall theories is they ignore something very critical
to it's sucess. Socialism is a great idea in an ideal world, but the
world isn't ideal thus it falls flat on it's ass because it ignores the
need to manage greed and motivation.

since keynesianism has nothing to do with socialism, i suggest you
adjust your lobster bib and just nod off again, like a good
conservative.


It also flops on government knows best. Any time _any_ organizattion,
private or not gets too much power the middle class gets the screw

and how's the middle class doing under radical free market socialism
for the rich in this country? we all doing OK?

.. If
government statism is so sucessful, how come old USSR, Cuba and Venezula
are so freaking poor? In Haiti's case, the gangs have total control and
yet they too fail. Same deal, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And
it is why a balanced capitalism succeeds beter than any other. Pretty
hard with some good anti-trust laws to corner the market without
providing good value.

we actually need a regulated social democracy. THAT'S what works. it
provides grow, social cohesion and stability for the middle class

what WE have instead is a social darwinist society where the rich raid
the middle class piggy bank anytime they run into problems. it's
socialism...for the rich and capitalism for the middle class



BTW, Keynesian has been tried in the USA before. 1929 kicked it off to
a 11 year depression that took a WW to end it.

now let's see...what the fed did in 29 was ....nothing

just like you recommend today.

and ww2? massive govt spending. that's the definition of keynesianism

seems you just keep dipping your cup in the fountain of the limbaugh
kool aid.

History repeats. Part
of the problem is a dumb assed president didn't spend the first 10 years
of his childhood in an American culture and school. Or he would know
more about USA history than a Canuck. Back then the US governent tried
the same **** and it didn't work then and sure does not look like it is
working now.

and bush spent his entire life in the US.

how'd that work out for the middle class?

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On 17/01/2010 7:48 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:12 -0700,
wrote:

On 17/01/2010 6:16 PM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message


Right now China applies a tariff of 18% on any manufactured goods imported
from the US.
The US applies no tariff to imported Chinese goods. Zero. Nada. Zip.

Keynesian Economics is valid in an open, balanced and fair trade market. It
has no application to the
current problems. The academics need to get their noses out of the books
and take a
look around them.

Eisboch

I would not count on it. They are past the point of no return in
reality. No easy way out now as all they have done is made the hole
deeper. That door was closed with the massive current print and huge
debt increase, both of which have yet to be realized. Seals the fate to
a Japanese type scenario for the near and mid term.

In fact, Japan is teatering on bankruptcy as a country. The Yen
currency is in real danger of colapse (rapid devaluation). Watching
this closely as Japan is bigger than Iceland, and the impacts of a major
country like Japan getting into serious default could be next.



uh no. the hole was already dug by the conservative fundamentalist
deregulators and the fairy tales of CDO's that they wrote. they wrote
the checks.

we're now paying for them

You are really hopeless. If you are in debt to a point of insolvancy you:

1) Get a new credit card and spend even more than ever before. Spend
out of debt liberal-democrat theory. It will fail, you lose everything.

2) Do nothing. GOP method. Last a little longer than 1) but the result
is the same if enough time elapses.

3) Cut back spending and reduce debt. (In governance this is a huge
void). It is how people become rich, buy not overextending themselves.


Conservatives will always pick 3). So would you if you want to keep
your home as a number one priority. Did you know you can't lose your
home to the bank if it is paid off even if you lose your job?

So when bad times hit, conservatives weathers the storm. Read the Three
Pigs fable.

Get over it, liberals lied, you still can't spend your way out of debt
and Money For Nothing and Chicks For Free was a fantasy song not to be
taken literally. Bet liberals smoke/shoot more dope too.

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On 17/01/2010 7:46 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Ever hear of Japan's "Lost Decade"?
Keynesian Economics practiced to the letter by the government of Japan.
It didn't work.

it's still going on. and it has nothing to do with keynesian
economics. it has to do with the mercantilist policies of japan

Has lots to do with it. Government is up everyoines arse over there.
In any case, Keynesian or not, it is similar to what the US is doing
under Omama. Artificially low interest rates without a balance on
savings. Debtor, debt monger economy. Government bailouts... same deal
with Asian eyes.

Will beget the same results. A prolonged crappy economy with dwinding
wealth. Work harder and get less.

Actually, Japan has never truly recovered. It's economic problems have
persisted
for much longer than a decade. But, our government is now trying exactly
the same thing.

we've had 30 years of free market fundamentalism with the greatest
economic inequality of any country in the western world. social
democracies in europe have per capita GDP's equal to ours, while they
maintain a safety net we only dream of.

But the individuals average net take home is signifigantly less. When I
was overseas in Europe, they got paid less, took home even less. It
isn't "free". Why do you thing people hate Americans? Because you are
rich *******s by comparison. That is how they see you.

and the rich here are richer than anywhere else while the middle class
pays for their mistakes

The average middle class wealth is higher no where else in the world
than it is in the US. Ditto quality of life.

But that is changing.

The answer is jobs. Re-vitalize the US manufacturing sector. Institute
tariffs on anything
imported.

tariffs don't work. they never have.

If people have to pay twice as much for an inferior product, they will
cut back on buying the product. Simple math. If the family only has
$1000 to spend on "stuff" after taxes, utilities and morgage, jumping
the price to $600 from $300 just means they will buy less.

Credit only go so far to cover.

It is also why a falling dollar is dangerious, watch gasoline double, a
major component of workers costs as well as business.

Keynesian Economics is valid in an open, balanced and fair trade market. It
has no application to the
current problems. The academics need to get their noses out of the books
and take a
look around them.

keynesian economics saved the US from a 2nd 30's style depression.
friedman's monetarism caused the collapse

Not sure it has ever worked out, cite one example where people live as
well as Americans and have practiced keynesian.

Oh, you mean Obama really did bet the whole freaking farm on an untested
theory? OMG....

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On 17/01/2010 5:20 PM, HK wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/01/2010 2:46 PM, Harry Krause wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/01/2010 11:48 AM, Harry Krause wrote:
John H wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/yds4pu9 or:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011602884.html




'Nuff said.

--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

Why is everyone so upset about this, I mean there are 49 other states
who can pick up the slack. What is the big deal?

Isn't socilaism great as long as someone else pays for it?

Yes it is. I need to go out to eat tonight, can I send you the check?

You should offer to do the dishes.

Harry Krause begging for money, priceless.



If you had better than a trade school education and knew how to think,
you'd realize that the person posting as "Harry Krause" is an ID spoofer.

Dumfochs...all on the right.

Dumfochs...all on the left.
Dumfochs...all in the center.
Dumfochs...all in the back.
Dumfochs...all in the front.

What do we do with all the dumfochs?

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 17/01/2010 5:29 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

You can get Internet in any habitible place on earth.

Suggestion: Go someplace not habitable and stay a while. Oh, and learn to
spell.

Is that all you have to say coming from a country where "me and my friend"
makes it prime time on every channel and the government! "Me and
Obama..."

?? Just because a few idiots watch TV or listen to the radio and think it's
therefore got to be true??


LOL. My spelling is crap, but given I don't rely on spell check, don't do
too bad. And if all you have to fight with is spelling, you lose.

So are you a gender bender? (nom de plume).

It's called lack of education. But, in your case, I doubt it would help
much.

Oh, and you're a jerk. Did I mention that?

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:42:37 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/01/2010 7:48 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:15:12 -0700,


In fact, Japan is teatering on bankruptcy as a country. The Yen
currency is in real danger of colapse (rapid devaluation). Watching
this closely as Japan is bigger than Iceland, and the impacts of a major
country like Japan getting into serious default could be next.



uh no. the hole was already dug by the conservative fundamentalist
deregulators and the fairy tales of CDO's that they wrote. they wrote
the checks.

we're now paying for them

You are really hopeless. If you are in debt to a point of insolvancy you:

1) Get a new credit card and spend even more than ever before. Spend
out of debt liberal-democrat theory. It will fail, you lose everything.

or you could do nothing and let a 2nd 1929 happen. is that your
recommendation?

2) Do nothing. GOP method. Last a little longer than 1) but the result
is the same if enough time elapses.

got proof? because we have an example that it could have gotten ALOT
worse than it did

unemployment in the '29 crash was 25%. is that what you recommend?


3) Cut back spending and reduce debt. (In governance this is a huge
void). It is how people become rich, buy not overextending themselves.


Conservatives will always pick 3).

except, of course, they don't. the biggest borrowers in US history
have been the conservatives. the liberals believe in tax and
spend...i.e. pay for what you buy

the conservatives believe in borrow and spend. so you pile up interest
payments on top of principle


Get over it, liberals lied, you still can't spend your way out of debt
and Money For Nothing and Chicks For Free was a fantasy song not to be
taken literally. Bet liberals smoke/shoot more dope too.

conservatives believe that you can spend your way into helping the
rich. it's what they've done for 30 years.

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:55:57 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/01/2010 7:46 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Ever hear of Japan's "Lost Decade"?
Keynesian Economics practiced to the letter by the government of Japan.
It didn't work.

it's still going on. and it has nothing to do with keynesian
economics. it has to do with the mercantilist policies of japan

Has lots to do with it. Government is up everyoines arse over there.

it is here, too. just not economically

In any case, Keynesian or not, it is similar to what the US is doing
under Omama. Artificially low interest rates without a balance on
savings. Debtor, debt monger economy. Government bailouts... same deal
with Asian eyes.

?? you know, i honestly believe you think obama's been president for 8
years

because you're an idiot. 'artificially low interest rates'??

you must have graduated at the top of your class at 'idiot school'
because interest rates WENT TO ZERO UNDER BUSH. interest rates from
the fed have been at 0 for about 18 months.

and your recommendation, like that of every conservative is, protect
the rich through tax cuts and let the middle class unemployment go to
25% like the last depression.

after all, the middle class deserves it. they're not rich. their job
is to protect the rich


we've had 30 years of free market fundamentalism with the greatest
economic inequality of any country in the western world. social
democracies in europe have per capita GDP's equal to ours, while they
maintain a safety net we only dream of.

But the individuals average net take home is signifigantly less.

really? so when you lose your job and have no health insurance, how's
your income then?

When I
was overseas in Europe, they got paid less, took home even less. It
isn't "free". Why do you thing people hate Americans? Because you are
rich *******s by comparison. That is how they see you.

uh no. i've spent my time overseas as well. if you want to engage in a
separate thread about 'why they hate us', go ahead and start one. the
fact is their social safety net resulted in less inequality in income
distribution. their rich aren't as rich and their poor aren't as poor
as ours are. and they're doing just fine.


and the rich here are richer than anywhere else while the middle class
pays for their mistakes

The average middle class wealth is higher no where else in the world
than it is in the US. Ditto quality of life.

?? meaningless terms. i realize that rush tells you to say this to
keep your 'idiot' card, but if you lose your health insurance because
unemployment's 10%, what's your 'quality of life' then?.

and middle class incomes in europe are on a par with those in the US
and have kept pace with ours as well over the last 30 years. we just
dont have the safety net they do, having chosen, instead, to insulate
the rich from the results of their greed.

The answer is jobs. Re-vitalize the US manufacturing sector. Institute
tariffs on anything
imported.

tariffs don't work. they never have.

If people have to pay twice as much for an inferior product, they will
cut back on buying the product. Simple math. If the family only has
$1000 to spend on "stuff" after taxes, utilities and morgage, jumping
the price to $600 from $300 just means they will buy less.

you saying we can't make inferior products here? why do you think
toyota cleaned GM's clock? toyota was run by engineers who knew how to
make cars. GM waas run by accounts who thought about margins and
profits for their richest shareholders.

tariffs protect only the rich. what we need is a NAFTA like agreement
on minimum wages and benefit standards for working people so that we
dont compete on the way to get to the bottom the fastest.


keynesian economics saved the US from a 2nd 30's style depression.
friedman's monetarism caused the collapse

Not sure it has ever worked out, cite one example where people live as
well as Americans and have practiced keynesian.

germany. the UK. sweden. how many examples you want?