On Jan 18, 11:31*am, I am Tosk
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On Jan 18, 8:36 am, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/01/2010 4:18 PM, Eisboch wrote:

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On 16/01/2010 6:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:05:54 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
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Here at work, we are repairing the vacuum control circuitry for an
electron microscope made in 1979. It has 6 SN7400 chips. If I
remember, these are quad 2 input NAND gates. 2 of them have gone bad
because the heat sinking of the board is not very good, you can see
heat discoloration on the board.
Back in 1974, I was 18 and was experimenting with making computer
circuitry trying to make a computer cpu with a calculator chip and a
buffer made from a bunch of 7400 gates as memory flip flops. I never
got rid of all those old chips and still have several tubes of them
unused.
Now, 36 years later, I find a use for them.

Never throw anything away ;-)

There are still plenty of places that still stock these things. I
never took the TTL plunge because I had IBM parts to play with but I
have made a lot of CMOS (4xxx) stuff. Couple that with a big SSR and
you can run humongous stuff straight from CMOS. (like my 11kw spa
heater)

Same deal, just that you are likely a few years yonger. Every TTL has a
CMOS counterpart in time and CMOS was a better/newer evolution of the
TTL. Used both myself but mostly TTL.

Was fun to tinker with those chips on bread boards. A joy many today
will never know.

I always wondered if the US government got a hold of an ancient space
ship and reverse engineered the electronics we have today. As we
accelerated down this path about as fast as socially possible without
regards to the hardware.

I remember saying to people at the time that it is unlikely I will retire
before we see a 4ghz computer with 4 CPUs and 4gb of ram and 4gb of hard
drive as a commodity system.

Only 4ghz CPU stands between me and retirement. Bu the rest is history.

You are a couple of years overdue. Put in those papers.

Depending on your definition of commodity of course.

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pr...ease/21580.wss

I remember TTL logic being the rage in the late 70's. The problem for
electrically noisy
industrial applications was that a "high" was about 3.8 volts and a "low"
was around 2.4 volts.
A TTL logic based controller would work fine in the quiet lab, but when it
was used in a
real application and subjected to harsh RFI and EMI environments, there was
no way of
telling what it would do. It didn't take much of a electrical spike or some
RFI to completely screw up
the logic.

CMOS at 12 volts worked much better.

Vacuum tubes worked perfectly. (and still do).

Eisboch

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I miss them in my guitar amp!

I got them in mine... I bought a modern Fender Champ and it is a tube
job. There is a second channel which adds solid state circuitry to
emulate other amps, but played straight, it's a tube..

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I'm holding out for an old vintage Vibrolux!

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I'm holding out for an old vintage Vibrolux!

Too bad. Just sold one cheap.

Eisboch