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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:55:26 -0500, Gene
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:31:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:39:27 -0800, "mgg" wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me
is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat
from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike


I've been to SF and I know it has a large gay population. Personally,
I haven't seen them showing their *ss, but I guess that doesn't mean
they don't.

I'm not a homophobe. I have gay friends. I have gay friends that I
would trust as babysitters, but that doesn't describe all gay folks.

I stand by my original position.


You need to show up on Halloween.

You have gay friends... good for you. "but that doesn't describe all gay
folks." That's rich. "That" doesn't describe all _any_ folks.

I don't know where you are gong with this, but *all* is a dangerous
area..... and I *thought* I made that point....

... what did I miss?

Sounds like your gay friends may be log cabin types.

Texas Taliban
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:14:57 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:28:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
om...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me
is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat
from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


"Some people are a bit strange." Do you think that's a wrong answer?

A wrong answer? No. Not, if you could get away with that, good for
you.

I'm just wondering if that wouldn't just mitigate the inevitable follow up
questions you'd get. :)

I can assure you that would never have satisfied my kid...... nor me,
when I was his age........

If you can befuddle your kid with.... they ain't like us..... good on
you, but around our household, that wouldn't buy you 15 seconds to
come up with the next half-truth......

What do you think the next question would be?

Something he's afraid he couldn't handle. Some people are better
suited to parenting than others.

Texas Taliban
 

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:51:04 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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On 12/01/2010 5:53 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

A parent has a choice to home-school, given certain requirements.
Children
don't typically have a legal voice of their own. They must usually be
represented by an adult. It's in the best interest of society for the
population to be educated. I suppose you disagree with this.

And given how people make excuses, and get away with it. Might as well
repeal the requirements.

BTW, I think all children should be going physically to a school unless
circumstances are abobiously unavoidable. Such as a family on an island
manning a lighthouse and the nearest school is 100 miles away.

Chop the squakers hair and march to school...


Actually, homeschooled kids tend to do better academically.

This is true, with reservations.

They tend to be excellent readers with good written communications
skills. One-on-one verbal skills are excellent.

Group verbal communication and socialization skills tend to be from
fair to exceedingly poor.

They tend to do very well in math, through college algebra.... trig
and beyond is a vast sea of ignorance.

They tend to be well versed in certain areas of history, but perform
poorly in world history.

Most home schooling texts stress recall and these kids excel at that,
though they have a lot of issues with synthesis of ideas and problem
solving. They perform very well when given directions, but suffer when
tasked with giving directions. (Probably not surprising, other
countries teach in much the same fashion and those foreign nationals
suffer from identical issues.)

Employers.... when asked what is important in the workplace, seldom
mention "academics." Communication and Teamwork are usually at the top
of their list..... and most home schooled and private schooled kids

Bingo! You are not going to live the rest of your life in the arms of
your parents nor in the arms of your community that espouses home
schooling, generally speaking.

Texas Taliban
 

mgg wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:48:32 -0600, wrote:

I have to wonder if you intimidate and mock Christian students in your
charge. My kid had a teacher like that a few years ago, used to really
crush one of her friends pretty bad for being religious. Right in front
of the other kids, it was bad...

Our kids go to a private Catholic school for just that reason. The PC of
public schools is out of control. I want my kids to be proud of their
religion, and get a top notch education to boot. The public schools around
here, just plain suck.

--Mike




Religion is something in which to be "prideful"?


--
Where others have hearts, right-wingers carry tumors of rotten principles.

Texas Taliban
 

mgg wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.
You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....
Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.
It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.
Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....

The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.
OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike



Indeed, Mikey, I'm not ambivalent or nervous about my heterosexuality,
and I'm not put off or made nervous by "gays." Gays are part of every
vibrant community, whereas closed-minded homophobes like you are not.

My wife and I love San Francisco. It is a beautiful city, with great
architecture, old and new; livable neighborhoods everywhere, terrific
restaurants, great meeting places, interesting shops, museums, whatever.
Like every big city, it has its problems, but as tourists they don't
impact us very much.

We've seen gay couples in San Franciso, just as we've seen them in New
York, DC, LA, New Orleans, Miami, and even at...Disney World. A few act
a bit strangely in public, but most do not. So what?

I think my oldest kid was about five when we took our first family
vacation to California. We saw some gay couples then...and explained
that some women date women and some men date men. No biggie.

You mentioned you send your kids to Catholic schools. Now *that* might
be a major concern, what with all the pedophilia running rampant in
those places, eh?


--
Where others have hearts, right-wingers carry tumors of rotten principles.

Texas Taliban
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:54:36 -0500, Harry wrote:


I inherited a couple of fundie relatives, a young couple, who are home
schooling their kids not because they think they can offer them a better
education, but to keep them from "mixing" with kids whose parents are
more moderate and liberal. Their words. In other words, they want to
raise isolated automatons.

Wish them luck. It rarely works out that way. Unless you lock them in a
closet, kids tend to find their own way.

Texas Taliban
 

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:31:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:39:27 -0800, "mgg" wrote:


"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:55:12 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
om...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:01:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:33:34 -0800, jps wrote:

The problem here is that you've been conditioned to think of gay as
equating with S&M and other fetishes, which are certainly not
exclusive to the gay population.

You assumptions are so moronic.... and what you don't know about me
is
so abundant, I won't even go there.

Let me just say that an IN-YOUR-FACE gay march in DC, replete with
plenty of fetish regalia and open sexual (kinky) activity ruined a
family museum outing with my son and sent us into a rapid retreat
from
the spectacle. I'm all about the freedom of adults to express
themselves any way they (in a consenting manner) wish to privately
express themselves.

Forcing it down other folks throat has earned them a well deserved
"down" from other folks... including the lesbian, gay, transgendered,
and straight.....

Well then, your assumptions must be moronic too, eh?
.
I'm not ASSUMING anything.

You weren't forced to be there.

It was THE PUBLIC. People are supposed to act in a CIVIL manner in
PUBLIC. They didn't.

It was on THE MALL..... it ruined EVERY family's chance at a day at
the museums.... it was WRONG.

I wasn't forced to be there.... WE were forced to LEAVE.

It was an unfortunate occurance. No one was forcing their lifestyle
or beliefs on you or your kids. That's baloney and you know it.

Oh.... fine. So I get to explain to an 8 year old why one woman is
dragging another around by a dog leash. Adults G/L/T/S could
reasonably act the way these folks were acting at the local swing
club, but not in public and not in front of kids. Tell you what, you
take your kids and grand kids to the local gay bar for fun.... I'm
headed to Chuckie Cheese with mine.....


The explanation is... some people are a bit strange. If a child asks a
direct question at that age, they should get as direct an answer as
possible.

OK, so humor me.... two chicks, leather, thigh high stilettos, leash,
studded collar, and crop. Couple reaches a cross street and waits for
traffic. Domme gets sub on her knees for a little show-off
licky-licky.... shoot, it just ain't no fun if everybody isn't able to
watch, now is it?

So, Dad, what sort of direct answer have you got to explain that to a
kid?

Yeah...... thought so......


That's why we don't take our kids to San Francisco. harry seems to like it
there though. ;-)

--Mike


I've been to SF and I know it has a large gay population. Personally,
I haven't seen them showing their *ss, but I guess that doesn't mean
they don't.

I'm not a homophobe. I have gay friends. I have gay friends that I
would trust as babysitters, but that doesn't describe all gay folks.

I stand by my original position.


You need to show up on Halloween.

You have gay friends... good for you. "but that doesn't describe all gay
folks." That's rich. "That" doesn't describe all _any_ folks.

I don't know where you are gong with this, but *all* is a dangerous
area..... and I *thought* I made that point....

... what did I miss?

You missed the whole tolerance thing. Why would you note that you know
Gays that could babysit? Are you suggesting Gays have a higher level of
pedophiles in their ranks compared to straights? How bigoted, how
typical of the elite class.... You should be ashamed.

Texas Taliban
 

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:32:27 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:50:03 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:33:26 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:28:25 -0600, wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:59:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:

snipped for brevity

Your bigotry is showing. Secular vs. non-secular is not an issue
beyond some weighted geographic issues....

The vinegar bottle is an equal opportunity depriver...

You taught your daughter. I've taught hundreds of folks in the last
few decades. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you lack
depth of experience.

And you have homeschooled for an appreciable time?

Yes, I have, and my son attended both a private school and a Baptist
Academy for several years.

In addition to all of that..... I have learned from my mistakes......
I judge, from your posts, that you haven't.

You judge poorly then. I have never homeschooled.

Well... that explains a LOT..... again, you are waxing eloquent about
a subject you have no knowledge or personal experience.

I thought you were an idiot..... I didn't realize you just didn't know
what you were talking about..... OK...... I'm good.....

The sensible and honest reader will note that I have refrained from
making any statements of fact that would lead one to believe that the
author of these lines is an expert in homeschooling. In fact, I doubt
that a challenge to corroborate such an assertion would yield much
evidence that this humble person made any statements of fact in this
regard. What this person did do, aside from making a few meager
inquiries, was to illustrate the poor thinking of a pontificating,
ultra-resplendent academician. And it would appear from the knee-jerk
response of the Infallible Erudite from the Great Halls of Conceit,
that the sting of that illustration was...tangible.

Wow! I thought Spiro T. Agnew passed in 1996, but perhaps you are
channeling him...

No meager inquiries, in fact, you admitted to being condescending.

If fact appears to you as pontification and academia offends you as
being too intellectual, please feel comfortable in your liberal yet
parochial views. You will surely find comfort as others, here, have
posted with respect to the evils of intellectuals, so you should be
able to find many soul mates....

I didn't note any illustration, but if the images in your mind give
your comfort, please enjoy them.

In the future, please let me know if you are responding with eloquent
verbiage, rather than any experience or knowledge on the subject. It
will greatly enhance the reader's experience..... Generally, I prefer
to have discourse with folks that have knowledge of a subject, rather
than a patter of magical words...

Who's going to permit you to find refuge in the red herring? There is
nothing to suggest that I'm anti-intellectual in any of this
discourse. What should be obvious, even to you, is that I oppose
conceit. Experience is not the issue when you have served up a game
of feigned intellectualism replete with examples of poor thinking. Are
you able to redeem yourself? To put the onus on lack of experience is
disingenuous, when the term itself is broad and generic. If my
experience is in the dialectic, do you bear the conceit to deny it?
All you have to do to play your game is to put the focus on my
verbiage. You, my conceited fellow, are in error.

Texas Taliban
 

mgg wrote:
"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:48:32 -0600, wrote:

I have to wonder if you intimidate and mock Christian students in your
charge. My kid had a teacher like that a few years ago, used to really
crush one of her friends pretty bad for being religious. Right in front
of the other kids, it was bad...

Our kids go to a private Catholic school for just that reason. The PC of
public schools is out of control. I want my kids to be proud of their
religion, and get a top notch education to boot. The public schools around
here, just plain suck.

--Mike



How do you explain the pedophiliac priests? Are you proud of that aspect
of your religion, too?

Texas Taliban