On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

"Where's all my free crap? WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"


We are paying the debts, just as many credit card holders pay the minimum
payment. China, as I said, won't likely call the notes, since they're
making
money off of our servicing the debt.

You need a civics lesson.

We'll certainly log your prediction... in the round file.

So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved my
production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products come
from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their
rulers.

I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself.

"Steve" wrote in message
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On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

"Where's all my free crap? WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"


We are paying the debts, just as many credit card holders pay the minimum
payment. China, as I said, won't likely call the notes, since they're
making
money off of our servicing the debt.

You need a civics lesson.

We'll certainly log your prediction... in the round file.

So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved my
production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products
come
from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their
rulers.

I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself.


Enjoy the demise??? Demise of what? The demise? Is the sky falling yet?

You skedaddled because you're a patriot? Americans do care when presented
with facts not fear.

My choice is to remain and fight for right. I don't respect a choice that
involves quiting.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:32:41 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:


I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out,
start over.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Just frekin' crazy...

The real debt clock used to be located in NYC on 42nd street. At the
end of the Clinton administration they had to shut it off for two
years, because the debt was actually falling and the clock had not
been built to run backwards.

Not to worry.... before the end of the second year of Bush's
administration, the clock was moving forward again and steadily
accelerated to the point that, in 2008, the clock actually ran out of
digits when the federal debt exceeded $10,000,000,000,000.00 (that's
10 Trillion Dollars).

That might not fit your political opinion.... but it is.... the
truth.....

I clearly didn't make it political... But if you must...?

"Steve" wrote in message
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On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out,
start over.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Just frekin' crazy...


It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've
got

problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and
deficit
goes.

As soon as foreign succesful, functional countries like red China and
Japan
quit financing the whoreish follies of the U.S., the U.S. has no choice
but
to default, and your Walmart wages won't even keep you in cheap Asian
automobiles or junk from 3rd world countries.

Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress
or
any administration will not.



Last weekend I listened to an interesting discussion on a radio station
regarding the
economic condition in the USA. It was surprising and revealing because it
did not focus on
the media hype we hear everyday.

A few summary points that were made:

Roughly 85 percent of the average American's income is spent on
non-discretionary spending, meaning mortgage payments, rent, car payments,
food, utilities ... etc. This spending does not go directly to
off shore manufacturing companies or Wal-Mart. Even in these tough
recessionary times, most people are staying above water with these spending
obligations. There are those in trouble for sure and they need assistance
getting through tough times, but the majority are holding their own.

What is down big-time is discretionary spending which accounts for the other
15 percent of all spending. This includes entertainment, going out to
dinner, and the purchase of items not necessary, but desired. Of this 15
percent, only 25 percent of *it* is spent on items manufactured overseas.

Gives you an idea of the size of the overall US economy.

The economy isn't in a downward free-fall. The biggest problem that exists
in this recession is
unemployment. If the government is going to help anything, it should be
focusing on the creation of jobs, not bailouts to financial institutions.
There is some evidence that the current administration has finally come
around to understanding this. The jobs can't be temporary *make work*
programs.
The way to create jobs is to stimulate and encourage businesses, primarily
small ones, to expand and hire. So far, the approach has been economic
band-aids. Things will get better when solid, beneficial initiatives are
put in place that benefit small business if they expand, grow and hire.

Now back to your regular programming ....

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Steve" wrote in message
...

On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

I don't care who did this, we gotta' stop it fast!! Kick 'em all out,
start over.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Just frekin' crazy...


It's an interesting site. Thanks. It's not as scary as it looks. We've
got

problems, big ones, but we're not in crisis mode as far as debt and
deficit
goes.

As soon as foreign succesful, functional countries like red China and
Japan
quit financing the whoreish follies of the U.S., the U.S. has no choice
but
to default, and your Walmart wages won't even keep you in cheap Asian
automobiles or junk from 3rd world countries.

Give up on the government - YOU can change it, the parasites in congress
or
any administration will not.



Last weekend I listened to an interesting discussion on a radio station
regarding the
economic condition in the USA. It was surprising and revealing because
it did not focus on
the media hype we hear everyday.

A few summary points that were made:

Roughly 85 percent of the average American's income is spent on
non-discretionary spending, meaning mortgage payments, rent, car payments,
food, utilities ... etc. This spending does not go directly to
off shore manufacturing companies or Wal-Mart. Even in these tough
recessionary times, most people are staying above water with these
spending obligations. There are those in trouble for sure and they need
assistance getting through tough times, but the majority are holding their
own.

What is down big-time is discretionary spending which accounts for the
other 15 percent of all spending. This includes entertainment, going out
to dinner, and the purchase of items not necessary, but desired. Of this
15 percent, only 25 percent of *it* is spent on items manufactured
overseas.

Gives you an idea of the size of the overall US economy.

The economy isn't in a downward free-fall. The biggest problem that
exists in this recession is
unemployment. If the government is going to help anything, it should be
focusing on the creation of jobs, not bailouts to financial institutions.
There is some evidence that the current administration has finally come
around to understanding this. The jobs can't be temporary *make work*
programs.
The way to create jobs is to stimulate and encourage businesses, primarily
small ones, to expand and hire. So far, the approach has been economic
band-aids. Things will get better when solid, beneficial initiatives are
put in place that benefit small business if they expand, grow and hire.

Now back to your regular programming ....

Eisboch

Sounds very reasonable. Who were you listening to? I've heard very similar
from someone (can't remember the name) on one of the many NPR shows.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved
my
production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products
come
from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from their
rulers.

I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself.


Enjoy the demise??? Demise of what? The demise? Is the sky falling yet?

The only way you would have not witnessed the demise would be if you are
extremely young. Perhaps you don't recall the era of a well-to-do middle
class and thriving core industries.


You skedaddled because you're a patriot? Americans do care when presented
with facts not fear.

I moved operations for 2 reasons - 1) the customers were no longer in North
America, and 2) the countries the production moved to do not permit
machinery and technology from the U.S. Japan is by far the worst offender,
Korea 10% less prohibitive, red China will import from the U.S. if first
sent to Korea in pieces, assembled, then sold into red China. 3 months later
your systems will be cloned and you're still out in the dark. Why would any
company remain in the U.S. when trade policies provide for such absurdities.
The company needs to get out. Americans do NOT care where their junk comes
from. It can't be from lack of information, which only leaves stupidity
and/or sloth.

The typical "American" reaction is "the companies are mismanaged, can't
compete..." That points toward stupidity. Administrations put policies in
effect that allow any country's firms to dump into the U.S., and at the same
time, Japan, Korea and China tell the U.S. producers to F.O. The market is
gone, and inferior products are sent to the U.S. which costs 80% less to
produce, but sell for 15% less than when produced in the U.S. Again, it has
to be the stupidity of "Americans."


My choice is to remain and fight for right. I don't respect a choice that
involves quiting.

"Quitting" the economic battle in the U.S. now is the same quitting screwing
the wife that divorced you 20 years ago.

The only industries left in the U.S. are those that are still protected by
intellectual property (and not yet cloned by China) dying, or where freight
cost considerations make shipping from overseas impractical. GM, Ford and
Chrysler will also be moving offshore, performing all fixed costs overseas,
export, and operating final assembly plants in the U.S. This mode works for
Toyota, Honda, and at the highest degree, Hyundai/Kia. All are well below
50% U.S. content (Toyota, Honda up to about 35-40% depending on model)
Hyundai is around 10%. "Americans" don't care. They are so dumbed-down they
think "it's all George Bush's fault" and squeal for handouts from money the
U.S. government borrows from the producer countries. That's not
complicated.

"...but...but...but....it's made in Alabama." Hahhahahahahha.
............sure.

Yep, it's stupidity.

The U.S. is now a merchant economy, like Peru, Syria, Cambodia, Philippines,
etc. - poor people selling essentials and trinkets to each other while
earning minimum wages. OH! Almot forgot the growth industries...government
"employment" and money laundering.

On 13-Jan-2010, "Eisboch" wrote:

The way to create jobs is to stimulate and encourage businesses, primarily

small ones, to expand and hire. So far, the approach has been economic
band-aids. Things will get better when solid, beneficial initiatives are

put in place that benefit small business if they expand, grow and hire.

The points in the earlier portion of your posting are erroneous

Re the above what is "stimulate" business? What stimulates business is
demand, if the costs of operating the business can make the process
profitable. The costs of operating in the U.S. are absurd, particularly when
any company anywhere with 3rd world wages can dump into your marketplace.

No business will "expand, grow and hire..." if the operating costs of are
prohibitive, and that's not about to change, especially when you elect
dirtbags that rant they will make "corporations pay their fare share." The
scumbags have taught "Americans" that companies are evil, and the scumbags
will penalize them if elected.

Good f**king luck.

The U.S. is done.

By the way, sending money to mortgage companies for home and cars build with
various degrees of foreign materials is not U.S. content. It's 3rd world.
Homes are still likely 80-85% U.S. content. 60% of the autos sold in the
U.S. don't reach 50%. 90% of small home furnishings are imports. Remember
when there was a company called Maytag???

Don't get me wrong - I don't care - I'm not that inflexible. The U.S. will
never be the country it was 30 years ago. BFD

"Steve" wrote in message
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Don't get me wrong - I don't care - I'm not that inflexible. The U.S. will
never be the country it was 30 years ago. BFD


I hope not. 10.8% unemployment or more, interest rates near 20% and 12%
inflation.

Eisboch

"Steve" wrote in message
...

On 12-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

So you enjoy the demise and current status. That's your option. I moved
my
production to to Southeast Asia. "Americans" don't care where products
come
from, don't mind the high prices, and are satisfied by scraps from
their
rulers.

I respect your choice. I just cannot condone the conditions myself.


Enjoy the demise??? Demise of what? The demise? Is the sky falling yet?

The only way you would have not witnessed the demise would be if you are
extremely young. Perhaps you don't recall the era of a well-to-do middle
class and thriving core industries.

Come on... the US economy is fine. It's got problems, but it's not going to
collapse, except in a conspiracy fantasy.



You skedaddled because you're a patriot? Americans do care when presented
with facts not fear.

I moved operations for 2 reasons - 1) the customers were no longer in
North
America, and 2) the countries the production moved to do not permit
machinery and technology from the U.S. Japan is by far the worst offender,
Korea 10% less prohibitive, red China will import from the U.S. if first
sent to Korea in pieces, assembled, then sold into red China. 3 months
later
your systems will be cloned and you're still out in the dark. Why would
any
company remain in the U.S. when trade policies provide for such
absurdities.
The company needs to get out. Americans do NOT care where their junk comes
from. It can't be from lack of information, which only leaves stupidity
and/or sloth.

Feel free not to come back or to sell to Americans. Obviously, we're stupid.


The typical "American" reaction is "the companies are mismanaged, can't
compete..." That points toward stupidity. Administrations put policies in
effect that allow any country's firms to dump into the U.S., and at the
same
time, Japan, Korea and China tell the U.S. producers to F.O. The market
is
gone, and inferior products are sent to the U.S. which costs 80% less to
produce, but sell for 15% less than when produced in the U.S. Again, it
has
to be the stupidity of "Americans."

Some companies are mis-managed. Others are not and do fine. Sounds like you
don't understand the basics of international trade agreements. They're not
perfect, but they mostly work.


My choice is to remain and fight for right. I don't respect a choice that
involves quiting.

"Quitting" the economic battle in the U.S. now is the same quitting
screwing
the wife that divorced you 20 years ago.

?? Quiting is being unwilling to stand up for chance.


The only industries left in the U.S. are those that are still protected by
intellectual property (and not yet cloned by China) dying, or where
freight
cost considerations make shipping from overseas impractical. GM, Ford and
Chrysler will also be moving offshore, performing all fixed costs
overseas,
export, and operating final assembly plants in the U.S. This mode works
for
Toyota, Honda, and at the highest degree, Hyundai/Kia. All are well below
50% U.S. content (Toyota, Honda up to about 35-40% depending on model)
Hyundai is around 10%. "Americans" don't care. They are so dumbed-down
they
think "it's all George Bush's fault" and squeal for handouts from money
the
U.S. government borrows from the producer countries. That's not
complicated.

For the car industry perhaps. Perhaps not. There are plenty of small car
companies that are going for it.


"...but...but...but....it's made in Alabama." Hahhahahahahha.
...........sure.

Yep, it's stupidity.

The U.S. is now a merchant economy, like Peru, Syria, Cambodia,
Philippines,
etc. - poor people selling essentials and trinkets to each other while
earning minimum wages. OH! Almot forgot the growth
industries...government
"employment" and money laundering.

Like I said, feel free not to come back.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On 13-Jan-2010, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

Some companies are mis-managed. Others are not and do fine. Sounds like
you
don't understand the basics of international trade agreements. They're not

perfect, but they mostly work.

Precisely. The Chinese and Japanese are doing fine. Even India is becoming a
producer.

I leave Sunday - few system will come to the U.S.; most of my equipment will
be shipped to Asia, so products can be shipped to you.

Walmart has an excellent benefits plan...........