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On Jan 9, 9:07 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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I've been watching the TV show. In any case, a small boat is no threat
to
a big ship.
Captains Richard Phillips (MV Maersk Alabama) and Kirk Lippold (USS
Cole)
would think otherwise.
Eisboch
You're claiming that the WW boat was intent on holding the Japanese crew
and
cargo hostage?? That's your argument?

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Ma'am, I can't speak for Rich but I think he's demonstrating that
small boats can be a threat to craft larger than the Japanese whalers.
aka Somalian pirates. and Muslim terrorists that like to blow people
up along with themselves.

Anymore, if i was the captain of a large vessel,and a small (possibly
unflagged) boat approached at speed, I'd tend to be a shy bit leery
of their motives.

Reply:
Under the law, a commercial fishing boat in the act of fishing has right
of way over a small craft. Last year, some guy had to cough up about a
1/2 million bucks, from what I remember, to repair the bumper on the San
Raphael bridge after he cut off a large freighter that tried to avoid the
idiot. Hit the bridge bumper. Plus you can see the WW boat speed up. So
give the WW boat his wish and crash it with your massive steel bow. But
film it it cover your ass.

Again, I'm no expert, but looking at the Navigation Rules
(http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm), but Rule 7 seems
pretty clear. There's no mention of "right-of-way" as a factor that
invalidates it:

"Every vessel shall use all available means appropriate to the prevailing
circumstances and conditions to determine if risk of collision exists. If
there is any doubt such risk shall be deemed to exist."

Also, Rule 8 seems to apply. Thus, as I said previously, it appears that
both boats were at fault.

Maam,
I see you dusted off the books and started to look at the rules.
Find some that you like and with your best attourney skills, make them
fit your argument.
Way to go girl. I'm in your corner.
H

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Harry wrote:
Jim wrote:
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On Jan 10, 10:17 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:


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Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a
band. :)

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Betty Blowtorch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxSNANQ89W8


That's Krausies kind of woman.

Uh-huh...how's that fat, old, 1940's vintage woman of yours...the one
who tossed you out of the bedroom because a cucumber was stronger,
firmer and smelled better?

I do recall seeing a picture you posted of a sixties vintage emaciated
looking woman with dirty blonde or light brown hair, who seemed to be
having trouble holding her liquor. She was kind of pathetic looking
hanging on to that archway trying to maintain her dignity. Is she a
recovering alcaholic? Is that why you don't keep liquor in the house?

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Harry wrote:
Harry wrote:
Jim wrote:
TopBassDog wrote:
On Jan 10, 10:17 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:


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Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a
band. :)

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Betty Blowtorch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxSNANQ89W8


That's Krausies kind of woman.

Uh-huh...how's that fat, old, 1940's vintage woman of yours...the one
who tossed you out of the bedroom because a cucumber was stronger,
firmer and smelled better?

I do recall seeing a picture you posted of a sixties vintage emaciated
looking woman with dirty blonde or light brown hair, who seemed to be
having trouble holding her liquor. She was kind of pathetic looking
hanging on to that archway trying to maintain her dignity. Is she a
recovering alcaholic? Is that why you don't keep liquor in the house?


One wonders just how much LSD flajim needs each day to maintain his
delusions.

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On Jan 11, 9:44*am, Harry wrote:
Harry wrote:
Harry wrote:
Jim wrote:
TopBassDog wrote:
On Jan 10, 10:17 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

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Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a
band. :)

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Betty Blowtorch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxSNANQ89W8

That's Krausies kind of woman.

Uh-huh...how's that fat, old, 1940's vintage woman of yours...the one
who tossed you out of the bedroom because a cucumber was stronger,
firmer and smelled better?

I do recall seeing a picture you posted of a sixties vintage emaciated
looking woman with dirty blonde or light brown hair, who seemed to be
having trouble holding her liquor. She was kind of pathetic looking
hanging on to that archway trying to maintain her dignity. Is she a
recovering alcaholic? Is that why you don't keep liquor in the house?

One wonders just how much LSD flajim needs each day to maintain his
delusions.

He doesn't. It's called permanent Brain Damage.....

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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By the way, try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsZcLVXyn8

At least they are not a perpetrating false flag attack. They are
flying the Jolly Roger. Clearly they know they are pirates.
Also note the angle of approach on the attack and tell me who has the
right of way when SS rams the whaler.

I think it's the boat on the right, which would be the Japanese. In any
case, they could have made an attempt to avoid the collision, which is
required by international rules (see other post).

I hope you don't actually operate your boat
What is the significance of the area from dead ahead to 135 degrees
off your starboard beam?
*hint* If you drive a car it is the same
You can't really cite nav rules when one boat is intentionally hitting
the other. It was clear the SS pirates pursued the whalers.
BUT
In this video the SS pirate rammed the whaler on the port side. Quick
question, what color is your port running light?
That is a tip about who is the give way vessel and who is the stand on
vessel. Red says STOP before you hit me. The ONLY obligation the
whaler had was to maintain course and speed. When the overtaking
vessel, that is faster than you, rams you in the port beam it is not
easy to evade that.


They seem to take great pains to avoid hitting people with their stink
bombs. They've never come close to hurting someone as far as I recall.

They may be backed by some in Hollywood, but since I don't have any
"buddies" there, your comment is out of order.

I apologize You are right that was not necessary.

Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a band. :)


A band of pirates? :-)

Also they forgot Newton's 3rd law. All that conservation of momentum stuff.

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:10:36 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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The J boat took action, just not the correct one for the idiots of the
WW.



What action? It seems to at a minimum kept going in the same direction.
Just
because the other boat acted foolishly doesn't justify inaction by the
other.


The regs say his obligation is to maintain course and speed, which
they did, on film. That was the point of the video I suppose.

BTW the Somali pirates are jumping on the SS bandwagon, saying their
piracy is protecting the fishing in their area from foreign
exploitation.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-68761347.html


What about Rule 17:

"When, from any cause, the vessel required to keep her course and speed
finds herself so close that collision cannot be avoided by the action of the
give-way vessel alone, she shall take such action as will best aid to avoid
collision."

I think the Somali pirates have been using that excuse for a long time.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

By the way, try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsZcLVXyn8

At least they are not a perpetrating false flag attack. They are
flying the Jolly Roger. Clearly they know they are pirates.
Also note the angle of approach on the attack and tell me who has the
right of way when SS rams the whaler.

I think it's the boat on the right, which would be the Japanese. In any
case, they could have made an attempt to avoid the collision, which is
required by international rules (see other post).

I hope you don't actually operate your boat
What is the significance of the area from dead ahead to 135 degrees
off your starboard beam?
*hint* If you drive a car it is the same
You can't really cite nav rules when one boat is intentionally hitting
the other. It was clear the SS pirates pursued the whalers.
BUT
In this video the SS pirate rammed the whaler on the port side. Quick
question, what color is your port running light?
That is a tip about who is the give way vessel and who is the stand on
vessel. Red says STOP before you hit me. The ONLY obligation the
whaler had was to maintain course and speed. When the overtaking
vessel, that is faster than you, rams you in the port beam it is not
easy to evade that.


They seem to take great pains to avoid hitting people with their stink
bombs. They've never come close to hurting someone as far as I recall.

They may be backed by some in Hollywood, but since I don't have any
"buddies" there, your comment is out of order.

I apologize You are right that was not necessary.

Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a band. :)


A band of pirates? :-)

Also they forgot Newton's 3rd law. All that conservation of momentum
stuff.



A right wing freak out?

I think the first two are more applicable. Also, I think the First Law of
Thermo is also applicable.

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They forgot the law of more mass wins the crash.

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

By the way, try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsZcLVXyn8

At least they are not a perpetrating false flag attack. They are
flying the Jolly Roger. Clearly they know they are pirates.
Also note the angle of approach on the attack and tell me who has the
right of way when SS rams the whaler.

I think it's the boat on the right, which would be the Japanese. In any
case, they could have made an attempt to avoid the collision, which is
required by international rules (see other post).

I hope you don't actually operate your boat
What is the significance of the area from dead ahead to 135 degrees
off your starboard beam?
*hint* If you drive a car it is the same
You can't really cite nav rules when one boat is intentionally hitting
the other. It was clear the SS pirates pursued the whalers.
BUT
In this video the SS pirate rammed the whaler on the port side. Quick
question, what color is your port running light?
That is a tip about who is the give way vessel and who is the stand on
vessel. Red says STOP before you hit me. The ONLY obligation the
whaler had was to maintain course and speed. When the overtaking
vessel, that is faster than you, rams you in the port beam it is not
easy to evade that.


They seem to take great pains to avoid hitting people with their
stink
bombs. They've never come close to hurting someone as far as I
recall.

They may be backed by some in Hollywood, but since I don't have any
"buddies" there, your comment is out of order.

I apologize You are right that was not necessary.

Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a band.
:)


A band of pirates? :-)

Also they forgot Newton's 3rd law. All that conservation of momentum
stuff.



A right wing freak out?

I think the first two are more applicable. Also, I think the First Law of
Thermo is also applicable.

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They forgot the law of more mass wins the crash.

Certainly true...

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

By the way, try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsZcLVXyn8

At least they are not a perpetrating false flag attack. They are
flying the Jolly Roger. Clearly they know they are pirates.
Also note the angle of approach on the attack and tell me who has the
right of way when SS rams the whaler.

I think it's the boat on the right, which would be the Japanese. In any
case, they could have made an attempt to avoid the collision, which is
required by international rules (see other post).

I hope you don't actually operate your boat
What is the significance of the area from dead ahead to 135 degrees
off your starboard beam?
*hint* If you drive a car it is the same
You can't really cite nav rules when one boat is intentionally hitting
the other. It was clear the SS pirates pursued the whalers.
BUT
In this video the SS pirate rammed the whaler on the port side. Quick
question, what color is your port running light?
That is a tip about who is the give way vessel and who is the stand on
vessel. Red says STOP before you hit me. The ONLY obligation the
whaler had was to maintain course and speed. When the overtaking
vessel, that is faster than you, rams you in the port beam it is not
easy to evade that.

They seem to take great pains to avoid hitting people with their stink
bombs. They've never come close to hurting someone as far as I recall.

They may be backed by some in Hollywood, but since I don't have any
"buddies" there, your comment is out of order.

I apologize You are right that was not necessary.

Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a band. :)

A band of pirates? :-)

Also they forgot Newton's 3rd law. *All that conservation of momentum
stuff.

A right wing freak out?

I think the first two are more applicable. Also, I think the First Law of
Thermo is also applicable.

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They forgot the law of more mass wins the crash.- Hide quoted text -

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Not necessarily! Speed is an integral part in the equation, too. I
don't think torpedos are the same or greater mass than their intended
targets!!

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On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:17:01 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

By the way, try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsZcLVXyn8

At least they are not a perpetrating false flag attack. They are
flying the Jolly Roger. Clearly they know they are pirates.
Also note the angle of approach on the attack and tell me who has
the
right of way when SS rams the whaler.

I think it's the boat on the right, which would be the Japanese. In
any
case, they could have made an attempt to avoid the collision, which is
required by international rules (see other post).

I hope you don't actually operate your boat
What is the significance of the area from dead ahead to 135 degrees
off your starboard beam?
*hint* If you drive a car it is the same
You can't really cite nav rules when one boat is intentionally hitting
the other. It was clear the SS pirates pursued the whalers.
BUT
In this video the SS pirate rammed the whaler on the port side. Quick
question, what color is your port running light?
That is a tip about who is the give way vessel and who is the stand on
vessel. Red says STOP before you hit me. The ONLY obligation the
whaler had was to maintain course and speed. When the overtaking
vessel, that is faster than you, rams you in the port beam it is not
easy to evade that.

They seem to take great pains to avoid hitting people with their
stink
bombs. They've never come close to hurting someone as far as I
recall.

They may be backed by some in Hollywood, but since I don't have any
"buddies" there, your comment is out of order.

I apologize You are right that was not necessary.

Actually, I do have a friend who lives in Hollywood. She's in a band.
:)

A band of pirates? :-)

Also they forgot Newton's 3rd law. All that conservation of momentum
stuff.

A right wing freak out?

I think the first two are more applicable. Also, I think the First Law
of
Thermo is also applicable.

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They forgot the law of more mass wins the crash.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not necessarily! Speed is an integral part in the equation, too. I
don't think torpedos are the same or greater mass than their intended
targets!!


Don't they explode?

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