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On Jan 4, 8:55*am, I am Tosk wrote:
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On Jan 3, 5:15*pm, I am Tosk wrote:
In article d4dcf9df-e5b3-4029-8f2a-4b50197846e4
@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...

Yep, the can-do-no-wrong Cheney gets a well deserved award!

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/.../cheney-claim-...

Yeah we know... Everything President Bush is bad, President Obama
GREAT!! Happy New Year Loogie picker, ewwww, loogies...

I also notice, that you attack the messenger, but say NOTHING about
the message.

Sooo, I follow the link and find a missing page holder that pretty much
shows where the mindset of the website is though... A shot at Cheney as
a missing page holder and you want me to address the message. Next you
will be asking me to comment on reports on The Daily Hoax, or the New
York Lies! Either way, I have work to do...- Hide quoted text -

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Here you go, allow me to help.:

In his latest attack on President Barack Obama, former Vice President
Dick Cheney seized on the attempted bombing of a Detroit-bound
jetliner to suggest that Obama is weak on terrorism.

"As I?ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once
again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war,"
Cheney said. "He seems to think if he has a low-key response to an
attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won?t
be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of
Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we
won?t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of Sept.
11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we
won?t be at war.

"He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core
al-Qaida-trained terrorists still there, we won?t be at war. He seems
to think if he gets rid of the words, 'war on terror,' we won't be at
war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren?t, it
makes us less safe. Why doesn?t he want to admit we?re at war? It
doesn?t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval
Office. It doesn?t fit with what seems to be the goal of his
presidency ? social transformation ? the restructuring of American
society. President Obama?s first object and his highest responsibility
must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war."

Cheney's comments echo a frequent criticism by conservatives that
President Obama does not use the phrase "war on terror." We rated that
True when it was made by talk show host Sean Hannity in November 2009.
We noted in our ruling that Obama had said he didn't use the more
general phrase "war on terror" because he viewed the conflict as a war
against "some terrorist organizations."

With his statement to Politico, Cheney is going farther than Hannity
did, directly alleging that Obama will not "admit we're at war."

But a review of Obama's statements of the past year makes it clear he
has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations.

The fifth paragraph of his inaugural address: "Our nation is at war
against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred."

In a February 2009 CNN interview: "I think it is very important for us
to recognize that we have a battle or a war against some terrorist
organizations."

In a March 2009 speech: He said that people might ask why the United
States is at war and said, "Al-Qaida and its allies, the terrorists
who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks, are in Pakistan and
Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaida
is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its
safe haven in Pakistan."

In his December 2009 speech at West Point on his decision to send more
troops to Afghanistan: He repeatedly called it a war and said, "I make
this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of violent extremism
practiced by al-Qaida."

In his speech accepting the Nobel Peace Prize: He said that "we are at
war" and noted that "the world rallied around America after the 9/11
attacks, and continues to support our efforts in Afghanistan, because
of the horror of those senseless attacks and the recognized principle
of self-defense."

Cheney has offered lots of criticism of Obama in the past year (of the
claims we've rated, Cheney has earned a True and a Mostly True). His
remarks here go beyond opinion because he repeatedly says that Obama
won't acknowledge that the United States is at war. But even a cursory
examination of Obama's statements shows this one is preposterous.
Obama has often said the United States is at war against terrorist
organizations -- and has ordered a massive increase in U.S. troops in
Afghanistan to fight that war. So Cheney's comment isn't just False,
it's ridiculously so. Pants on Fire!

A whole thread and article (talking point) on semantics? Pffftttt. Next
you will be trying to tell me what "is, is"!

Told you before, I won't argue "settled facts" with you anymore...