I propose the following...
 

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

I propose the following...
 

On Dec 31, 6:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. or idiots that decide to pass a snow
plow in on coming traffic.

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Did you do that? Shame.

I propose the following...
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops in
the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their windshields
and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Whew, I'm over 50. Does that mean I can stop in the middle of the road
to clean off my windshield? ;-)

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:25:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Did you do that? Shame.

Am I under 50? :)

I propose the following...
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:38:58 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops in
the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their windshields
and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Whew, I'm over 50. Does that mean I can stop in the middle of the road
to clean off my windshield? ;-)

HELL NO!!

I swear to you - we drove home from around Hershey to the CT border in
the middle of the snow - I am amazed at some of the stuff I saw.
Seriously - if you can't drive in the snow - DON'T DRIVE IN THE SNOW!!

10 mph on an Interstate in a Honda Civic is just asking for trouble.
And I was serious about that moron in the middle - right smack dab in
the middle of the road, stopped, no lights cleaning her windshield and
wipers.

I propose the following...
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:57:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. or idiots that decide to pass a snow
plow in on coming traffic.

Hey dude - how's your dong? Dinging better now? :)

I propose the following...
 

On Dec 31, 7:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

I'm behind you 101%

I propose the following...
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:50:16 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


I swear to you - we drove home from around Hershey to the CT border in
the middle of the snow - I am amazed at some of the stuff I saw.
Seriously - if you can't drive in the snow - DON'T DRIVE IN THE SNOW!!

Some people never learn, but I've found the first couple of snows are the
worst. People seem to forget, year to year, how to drive in the stuff.
It doesn't take much white stuff to fill the medians with overturned
cars. Glad to see you made it home alive.

10 mph on an Interstate in a Honda Civic is just asking for trouble. And
I was serious about that moron in the middle - right smack dab in the
middle of the road, stopped, no lights cleaning her windshield and
wipers.

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Oh, waaaaaaaahhh! I couldn't see dammit!!

I propose the following...
 

In article 92ce97a3-2e84-4067-8850-1be9d47032a9
@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 31, 6:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. or idiots that decide to pass a snow
plow in on coming traffic.

Oh Waaaaaahhh, I wasn't in a hurry, I just wanted to get there before
you;)

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:57:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. or idiots that decide to pass a snow
plow in on coming traffic.

Hey dude - how's your dong? Dinging better now? :)

LOL, he's got you there Tim;)

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:25:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Did you do that? Shame.

Am I under 50? :)

Come on Tom, we all know you are 29, just don't know when exactly you
made the "U" turn!

I propose the following...
 

On 31/12/2009 5:37 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

So who did you run into?

I propose the following...
 

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

And people who drive with their fog lights on 24/7 in areas of fifty miles
visibility. Isn't four headlights considered driving with the high beams
on? Some are okay. Some are obnoxious. And all unnecessary unless there
is actually some fog.

Steve


The big difference there is that (properly aimed) high beams are aimed
higher, and fogs are aimed lower than your regular headlights. Fogs don't
bother me, high beams do. The key here is properly aimed. Many folks add
after market fogs, and have no clue how to aim them. As a result, they look
like high beams.


--Mike

I propose the following...
 

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

And people who drive with their fog lights on 24/7 in areas of fifty miles
visibility. Isn't four headlights considered driving with the high beams
on? Some are okay. Some are obnoxious. And all unnecessary unless there
is actually some fog.

Steve

I propose the following...
 

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops in
the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their windshields
and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Whew, I'm over 50. Does that mean I can stop in the middle of the road
to clean off my windshield? ;-)

Be sure to put your flashers on so the guy who won't back off of 70 can have
something to aim at.

Steve

I propose the following...
 

"mgg" wrote in message
...

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

And people who drive with their fog lights on 24/7 in areas of fifty
miles visibility. Isn't four headlights considered driving with the high
beams on? Some are okay. Some are obnoxious. And all unnecessary
unless there is actually some fog.

Steve


The big difference there is that (properly aimed) high beams are aimed
higher, and fogs are aimed lower than your regular headlights. Fogs don't
bother me, high beams do. The key here is properly aimed. Many folks add
after market fogs, and have no clue how to aim them. As a result, they
look like high beams.


--Mike

I drive 400 miles of Interstate once or twice a month. In some places, the
lanes are close together. I can see a HUGE difference in lights oncoming.
As I say, some four lights are no different than two regular low beams.
Then there are those blue obnoxious beams that are blinding even on low.
Then there are the four lights that look like they're aircraft landing
lights. And some as cross-eyed as that girl that sat across from me in
Study Hall that I couldn't tell where the hell she was looking. Needs to be
some regulations on those. In Utah, my home, there is a law on window tint,
and there's a device they use to measure that. Seems like it would be easy
to come up with one for headlights. I have some on my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500,
and I never turn them on because I don't like the way they illuminate.
IIRC, there's a commercial for SAAB ? where the houses have Christmas lights
down the block, and they roll their two vehicles out, each with eight little
lights or so on each side. How much light is enough?

I guess enough to light up that Honda ahead of you stopped in the middle
lane changing wipers.

Steve

I propose the following...
 

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:25:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Did you do that? Shame.

Am I under 50? :)

I thought the under 50 ran in to you while you was cleaning the wipers. :)

I propose the following...
 

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"mgg" wrote in message
...

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

And people who drive with their fog lights on 24/7 in areas of fifty
miles visibility. Isn't four headlights considered driving with the
high beams on? Some are okay. Some are obnoxious. And all unnecessary
unless there is actually some fog.

Steve


The big difference there is that (properly aimed) high beams are aimed
higher, and fogs are aimed lower than your regular headlights. Fogs don't
bother me, high beams do. The key here is properly aimed. Many folks add
after market fogs, and have no clue how to aim them. As a result, they
look like high beams.


--Mike

I drive 400 miles of Interstate once or twice a month. In some places,
the lanes are close together. I can see a HUGE difference in lights
oncoming. As I say, some four lights are no different than two regular low
beams. Then there are those blue obnoxious beams that are blinding even on
low. Then there are the four lights that look like they're aircraft
landing lights. And some as cross-eyed as that girl that sat across from
me in Study Hall that I couldn't tell where the hell she was looking.
Needs to be some regulations on those. In Utah, my home, there is a law
on window tint, and there's a device they use to measure that. Seems like
it would be easy to come up with one for headlights. I have some on my
2006 Dodge Ram 2500, and I never turn them on because I don't like the way
they illuminate. IIRC, there's a commercial for SAAB ? where the houses
have Christmas lights down the block, and they roll their two vehicles
out, each with eight little lights or so on each side. How much light is
enough?

I guess enough to light up that Honda ahead of you stopped in the middle
lane changing wipers.

Steve

LOL! Like I said... properly aimed fog lights should not bother you at all.

BTW, I like your taste in trucks. 2003 Ram 2500 here...5.7 Hemi, 4wd, crew
cab, full size bed, and... fog lights (factory) g. Been a Ram owner since
1984.

--Mike

--Mike

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:06:11 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:25:27 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Did you do that? Shame.

Am I under 50? :)

I thought the under 50 ran in to you while you was cleaning the wipers. :)

BBAAWWWAAHHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Oh wait...

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Which state south of the Mason Dixon line did this occur?

I propose the following...
 

BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Which state south of the Mason Dixon line did this occur?


Maryland

I propose the following...
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

When and were did you do this?

I propose the following...
 

"mgg" wrote
BTW, I like your taste in trucks. 2003 Ram 2500 here...5.7 Hemi, 4wd, crew
cab, full size bed, and... fog lights (factory) g. Been a Ram owner
since 1984.

--Mike

I have been getting 2100# of blocks at a time every time we go to Vegas, and
driving back 185 miles at 65 mph. 4 wd, too, but not on the Interstate.
Nearly 18.0 mpg by the computer last trip. Some guy in a terribly dented
truck stopped me in HD parking lot and asked if I wanted him to take the
dents out. I told him it looked like he needed more practice.

It's a truck. A truck without a dent looks like a ***************'s truck.
Fill in the blank yerself. But it's got good windshield wipers. Every once
in a while, I have to take a broom and help get them started when it snows a
few inches, but I NEVER do it in the middle of the road. I do it in the
middle of my driveway. Own my FIRST EVER ice scraper mitt.

Steve

I propose the following...
 

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:23:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Which state south of the Mason Dixon line did this occur?

North - PA.

I propose the following...
 

"mgg" wrote
BTW, I like your taste in trucks. 2003 Ram 2500 here...5.7 Hemi, 4wd,
crew cab, full size bed, and... fog lights (factory) g. Been a Ram
owner since 1984.

--Mike

Forgot. It's a Cummins. 325 hp, 610 ft# torque. I like to jump past semis
on the Interstate. Had one blow a tire right next to wifey's door. Good
thing there was a console, or we'd both have been behind the wheel. Zoom
around, back to 75 on the cruise. Another blew a cap after I had passed it
and threw a tread right where I would have been.

Steve

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:23:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Which state south of the Mason Dixon line did this occur?

North - PA.

That's pretty sad, they should know how to drive in bad weather.

I propose the following...
 

On Dec 31 2009, 7:50*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:57:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. * or idiots that decide to pass a snow
plow in on coming traffic.

Hey dude - how's your dong? *Dinging better now? *:)

Tom, I'm glad to say that the dong "dings", and doesn't "clank"

I propose the following...
 

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:06:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 31 2009, 7:50*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:57:25 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 31, 6:37*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Yeah, that sounds good to me. * or idiots that decide to pass a snow
plow in on coming traffic.

Hey dude - how's your dong? *Dinging better now? *:)

Tom, I'm glad to say that the dong "dings", and doesn't "clank"

Ding dong diddly do for you.

I propose the following...
 

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

I propose the following...
 

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

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wrote in message
...
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?



First auto accident I was in while driving was when with a learners permit,
late at night coming back from the Grandparents farm and my mom screams, I
jam on the brakes and come to a stop, where a guy backing up in the middle
land of the freeway, backs in to the bumper. No damage luckily.

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:25:58 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?



First auto accident I was in while driving was when with a learners permit,
late at night coming back from the Grandparents farm and my mom screams, I
jam on the brakes and come to a stop, where a guy backing up in the middle
land of the freeway, backs in to the bumper. No damage luckily.


Both times that I've encountered a similar situation, it's been little
ol' ladies (as cliche as that sounds) backing up on the highway
because they apparently missed their turns. It takes little more
effort to drive to the next turn-off to turn around to come back to
the missed turn (and much less dangerous). I did nearly hit one of
the ladies. The car I was following suddenly swerved and immediately
in front of me was a vehicle backing up towards me.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:09:52 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

People don't think in that situation - you can always tell where you
are on the road in some fashion - you may not know exactly where you
are in terms of towns and what not, but you can tell where you are on
the road - just have to keep an eye on the right side of the vehicle.

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Well, I stopped a couple of times during one storm, but just long enough
to stick my foot out and see if I was off the road yet;)

It was pretty bad.

I propose the following...
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

Well, I always tell my kids you only drive what you can see. If you
can't stop in the distance you can see, you are going too fast. This I
usually relate to a narrow corner with no visibility do to trees, fence,
etc.

So my answer is if you can't see the hood ornament you have to do what I
did and find a way to get to the side of the road and stop. Weather or
not to get out of the car is your call. I would try to stay in unless
there was good access to a safe area far from the road.

Several years ago I saw a wild accident on interstate 84. A State
Trooper was flying down the highway at the very beginning of a very
heavy snow, the plows had not been out yet, but the roads were not
covered. There was about a foot of plow pile on the side of the highway
and maybe a 2-3 inch covering of snow on the fields that surrounded the
area to the tree line (more on that later) which was probably 50 feet
from the road. This guy was doing probably 60 and all of a sudden his
back end skipped out and he was heading off the road. He slid through
the plow pile and probably 150+ feet across the field and slammed a tree
head on, looked like he may have scrubbed of 15-20 mph by the time he
hit the tree, but still a good 40-45 on impact. Straight on, deployed
the airbag. I was pulling over and dialing 911 when I saw a guy running
for his car with what seemed to be a "stereotypical" medical bag. I
assumed he was a health care provider so I made the call and continued
down the road home.

The reason I noted this is when I say get to a safe place far from the
car, I mean waaaaaayyy far away, and preferably behind something that
can stop a car. If you can't get there, I would stay in the car and hope
you don't get hit.

That all being said, last time I crashed it was a black ice condition
and I knew cars would be bouncing around like pinballs so when we had a
chance, we got out and were able to get behind guard rails and well off
of the road...

Anyway, happy new year all, Scotty

I propose the following...
 

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:31:07 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:09:52 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

People don't think in that situation - you can always tell where you
are on the road in some fashion - you may not know exactly where you
are in terms of towns and what not, but you can tell where you are on
the road - just have to keep an eye on the right side of the vehicle.

That's not possible in a complete white out on the plains, though,
Tom. Central Illinois is almost all agricultural flatland, and when
the wind is blowing fiercely during a blizzard in whiteout conditions,
it is impossible to see anything but white. In the whiteout I was
caught in, I was lucky to make out a single telephone pole in a 5 mile
stretch. There's no road, no white line, no fence row, no ditch. The
best strategy is just to stay indoors and wait the thing out. I was
ignorant enough at the time to not appreciate how dangerous a whiteout
could be.

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I propose the following...
 

On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:11:52 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

Well, I always tell my kids you only drive what you can see. If you
can't stop in the distance you can see, you are going too fast. This I
usually relate to a narrow corner with no visibility do to trees, fence,
etc.

So my answer is if you can't see the hood ornament you have to do what I
did and find a way to get to the side of the road and stop. Weather or
not to get out of the car is your call. I would try to stay in unless
there was good access to a safe area far from the road.

Several years ago I saw a wild accident on interstate 84. A State
Trooper was flying down the highway at the very beginning of a very
heavy snow, the plows had not been out yet, but the roads were not
covered. There was about a foot of plow pile on the side of the highway
and maybe a 2-3 inch covering of snow on the fields that surrounded the
area to the tree line (more on that later) which was probably 50 feet
from the road. This guy was doing probably 60 and all of a sudden his
back end skipped out and he was heading off the road. He slid through
the plow pile and probably 150+ feet across the field and slammed a tree
head on, looked like he may have scrubbed of 15-20 mph by the time he
hit the tree, but still a good 40-45 on impact. Straight on, deployed
the airbag. I was pulling over and dialing 911 when I saw a guy running
for his car with what seemed to be a "stereotypical" medical bag. I
assumed he was a health care provider so I made the call and continued
down the road home.

The reason I noted this is when I say get to a safe place far from the
car, I mean waaaaaayyy far away, and preferably behind something that
can stop a car. If you can't get there, I would stay in the car and hope
you don't get hit.

That all being said, last time I crashed it was a black ice condition
and I knew cars would be bouncing around like pinballs so when we had a
chance, we got out and were able to get behind guard rails and well off
of the road...

That was the smart thing to do. Sometimes a stubborn mule like myself
has to be smacked between the eyes with a 2x4 before I'll make the
sensible decision on the road. Wisdom comes with age...

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