On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?



First auto accident I was in while driving was when with a learners permit,
late at night coming back from the Grandparents farm and my mom screams, I
jam on the brakes and come to a stop, where a guy backing up in the middle
land of the freeway, backs in to the bumper. No damage luckily.

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:25:58 -0800, "Bill McKee"
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?



First auto accident I was in while driving was when with a learners permit,
late at night coming back from the Grandparents farm and my mom screams, I
jam on the brakes and come to a stop, where a guy backing up in the middle
land of the freeway, backs in to the bumper. No damage luckily.


Both times that I've encountered a similar situation, it's been little
ol' ladies (as cliche as that sounds) backing up on the highway
because they apparently missed their turns. It takes little more
effort to drive to the next turn-off to turn around to come back to
the missed turn (and much less dangerous). I did nearly hit one of
the ladies. The car I was following suddenly swerved and immediately
in front of me was a vehicle backing up towards me.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:09:52 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

People don't think in that situation - you can always tell where you
are on the road in some fashion - you may not know exactly where you
are in terms of towns and what not, but you can tell where you are on
the road - just have to keep an eye on the right side of the vehicle.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Well, I stopped a couple of times during one storm, but just long enough
to stick my foot out and see if I was off the road yet

It was pretty bad.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

Well, I always tell my kids you only drive what you can see. If you
can't stop in the distance you can see, you are going too fast. This I
usually relate to a narrow corner with no visibility do to trees, fence,
etc.

So my answer is if you can't see the hood ornament you have to do what I
did and find a way to get to the side of the road and stop. Weather or
not to get out of the car is your call. I would try to stay in unless
there was good access to a safe area far from the road.

Several years ago I saw a wild accident on interstate 84. A State
Trooper was flying down the highway at the very beginning of a very
heavy snow, the plows had not been out yet, but the roads were not
covered. There was about a foot of plow pile on the side of the highway
and maybe a 2-3 inch covering of snow on the fields that surrounded the
area to the tree line (more on that later) which was probably 50 feet
from the road. This guy was doing probably 60 and all of a sudden his
back end skipped out and he was heading off the road. He slid through
the plow pile and probably 150+ feet across the field and slammed a tree
head on, looked like he may have scrubbed of 15-20 mph by the time he
hit the tree, but still a good 40-45 on impact. Straight on, deployed
the airbag. I was pulling over and dialing 911 when I saw a guy running
for his car with what seemed to be a "stereotypical" medical bag. I
assumed he was a health care provider so I made the call and continued
down the road home.

The reason I noted this is when I say get to a safe place far from the
car, I mean waaaaaayyy far away, and preferably behind something that
can stop a car. If you can't get there, I would stay in the car and hope
you don't get hit.

That all being said, last time I crashed it was a black ice condition
and I knew cars would be bouncing around like pinballs so when we had a
chance, we got out and were able to get behind guard rails and well off
of the road...

Anyway, happy new year all, Scotty

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:31:07 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:09:52 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

People don't think in that situation - you can always tell where you
are on the road in some fashion - you may not know exactly where you
are in terms of towns and what not, but you can tell where you are on
the road - just have to keep an eye on the right side of the vehicle.

That's not possible in a complete white out on the plains, though,
Tom. Central Illinois is almost all agricultural flatland, and when
the wind is blowing fiercely during a blizzard in whiteout conditions,
it is impossible to see anything but white. In the whiteout I was
caught in, I was lucky to make out a single telephone pole in a 5 mile
stretch. There's no road, no white line, no fence row, no ditch. The
best strategy is just to stay indoors and wait the thing out. I was
ignorant enough at the time to not appreciate how dangerous a whiteout
could be.

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On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:11:52 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:50:56 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:52:01 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:37:00 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Taking the driver's license of anybody under the age of 50 who stops
in the middle of the highway in a snow storm to clean off their
windshields and wiper blades.

Seriously.

Ever get caught in a whiteout?

More than once and even driving through a mountain pass at night. I've
also driven a Deuce and a Half during the height of Hurricane Camille
from Kessler AFB Biloxi to Pascagola Litton Shipyard where I couldn't
see much beyond the hood of the truck in driving rain and wind.

Never stopped to clean my windshield and wipers in the middle of the
road.

Wouldn't think of it myself. I've encountered drivers backing up on
the highway, too, into oncoming traffic.

One problem with a true whiteout is a question of where do you stop if
you have to? I remember hearing of a woman who had stopped and gotten
out of her car during a whiteout in the Champaign-Urbana area. She
was subsequently hit and killed by a truck. If a driver of a vehicle
can't tell where he or she is driving during a whiteout, should a
driver stop the vehicle?

Well, I always tell my kids you only drive what you can see. If you
can't stop in the distance you can see, you are going too fast. This I
usually relate to a narrow corner with no visibility do to trees, fence,
etc.

So my answer is if you can't see the hood ornament you have to do what I
did and find a way to get to the side of the road and stop. Weather or
not to get out of the car is your call. I would try to stay in unless
there was good access to a safe area far from the road.

Several years ago I saw a wild accident on interstate 84. A State
Trooper was flying down the highway at the very beginning of a very
heavy snow, the plows had not been out yet, but the roads were not
covered. There was about a foot of plow pile on the side of the highway
and maybe a 2-3 inch covering of snow on the fields that surrounded the
area to the tree line (more on that later) which was probably 50 feet
from the road. This guy was doing probably 60 and all of a sudden his
back end skipped out and he was heading off the road. He slid through
the plow pile and probably 150+ feet across the field and slammed a tree
head on, looked like he may have scrubbed of 15-20 mph by the time he
hit the tree, but still a good 40-45 on impact. Straight on, deployed
the airbag. I was pulling over and dialing 911 when I saw a guy running
for his car with what seemed to be a "stereotypical" medical bag. I
assumed he was a health care provider so I made the call and continued
down the road home.

The reason I noted this is when I say get to a safe place far from the
car, I mean waaaaaayyy far away, and preferably behind something that
can stop a car. If you can't get there, I would stay in the car and hope
you don't get hit.

That all being said, last time I crashed it was a black ice condition
and I knew cars would be bouncing around like pinballs so when we had a
chance, we got out and were able to get behind guard rails and well off
of the road...

That was the smart thing to do. Sometimes a stubborn mule like myself
has to be smacked between the eyes with a 2x4 before I'll make the
sensible decision on the road. Wisdom comes with age...

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