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Airplane Security/Am I profiling?
Is it me, or what? Am I profiling?
This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in the last year. Others, please STFU. Okay. This is just me. I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees, are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when their next break is. Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated, yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit. Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU members? I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO. Rant off Steve |
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"thunder" wrote in message
t... On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:24:47 -0800, nom=de=plume wrote: She was supposed to be at the gate at all times! (Obviously she didn't learn from the gate-crasher incidend.) I wonder who was in charge in June of 2008? You know, when someone gave him his multi-entry visa. Well, duhhh.... Barack Hussein Obama!! -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:35:28 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Ok, that was funny. In any case she was talking about after the incident started. Perhaps we should see what the investigations show? Nah... just blame Obama. No you have already told us this is Bush's fault. I did? Well, now that you mention it, he never dealt with the actual threat, so stretching it a bit, yes. As you said earlier about Clinton and Bin Laden in Sudan, what was he supposed to do? Fair question. Here's my answer... Bush should have concentrated on capturing and killing bin laden and his cronies. He failed not just to do that, but he failed to even try very hard. Then, he got all hard for Saddam, and he made the radicalization even more pronounced by invading Iraq. He used "Christian" rhetoric on more than one occasion and had a public "cowboy" attitude, which alienated our allies (and even some outliers) who were on our side after 9/11. BTW didn't the country vote for "change". Maybe that was one of the things that should have changed ... but nothing really has, has it? Yes, and last I checked the TSA is a huge entity that takes a lot to get it to change. While Nepolitano should have been more open about the problems and spoke more eloquently, condemning her or Obama for lack of change is disengenuous. In 2012 is Obama going to be running on the platform "Sorry I didn't do ****, it was all Bush's fault" So you say, but ignore the facts on the ground. If you want to see what he's accomplished do a google search if you're unable to think on your own. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 27/12/2009 10:26 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On 27/12/2009 8:40 PM, TopBassDog wrote: On Dec 27, 9:09 pm, wrote: On 27/12/2009 4:35 PM, Tom Francis wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:40:14 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: What say you fliers? Have to ask Janet "The System Worked" Napolitano. "DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that “the system worked.” What a clueless wench. More like the idiot got nervious when mixing the chemicals and messed up on his lap. Hope he burned his balls. But luck had more to do with it. It wasn't time to die for the people on board. But the plane landed safely, so the system had to work, eh? One has to ask how the system made a difference. He got on the plane right past authorities with an explosive compound. It was his mistakes, not the governments actions that saved the day. Because even if you were willing to die, I doubt seriously you would want to fry your balls first. Ok, that was funny. In any case she was talking about after the incident started. Perhaps we should see what the investigations show? Nah... just blame Obama. Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many purely politicial barriers in doing this right. I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a higher level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is, ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that. For example, why did it take so long to put locks on the cabin doors to the pilots? Because big budgets and fast talk were more important than reality. Good question! Talk a look at who they do catch, and always there is a person behind it that takes there job seriously, including profiling and whatever they can use. I don't agree with racial profiling, but I do agree with intelligent profiling. Seems to me that if someone's father tells the embassy that his son is a threat, and then said son gets on a flight to the US, then he should have at least been pulled from the line, strip searched, questioned for an extended period, etc. If it was a mistake (perhaps the father over-reacted), then fine, he could have his clothes back and continue. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Harry wrote:
On 12/27/09 10:48 PM, thunder wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:44:25 -0500, Harry wrote: Wait until the teabaggers start blowing up buildings, planes, and crowds of people. Yeah, but that wouldn't be terrorism. That would be patriotism, if I understand the teabaggers correctly. i'd be interested in seeing the links between the teabaggers and the KKK. The teabaggers include a large number of latino haters, and, of course, so does the KKK. Maybe herring knows. He's a self-outed hater of latinos and blacks, and a teabagger sympathizer. So now being Patriotic is to hate Illegal Immigrant Latinos and Black Americans and be a KKK Member? How white of you. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/12/2009 8:39 PM, thunder wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:05:55 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: I don't make them up. How many air plane incidents in say the last 10 years involve other than young male islam/muslims? Never heard of the Black Widows? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka Don't give me the hate group nonsense. If I am looking for terrorists I am not going to be wearing a turbin padding down an eldery white nun living 30 years in Arkansas I am going to get no where. Profiling has had some successes with single individuals. When you are talking of a terrorist organization, it will just look for whackos that don't fit the profile. By the way, Mohammed Atta doesn't fit your profile. He was 33. Looks like Ruskies have some fiesty and deadly women. Did they do a US airliner? 33, he would fit. I said young, not kids... say 14 to 40. I never claimed profiling will get them all, just a method of spending 20% of the resources for 80% of the effect. Then you have 80% of the resources to go after 20% that remain. Increases the odds of being effective. And add all terrorist groups, even domestic skin heads. Profiling works, that is why the Terrorists and others don't want to be profiled. If your enemy is a Islamic Fanatic they probably bow to Mecca. |
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On 28/12/2009 12:36 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many purely politicial barriers in doing this right. I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a higher level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is, ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that. Problem is the administration will find some low level goat and blame them. If they did fire someone over this I would pick management in Amsterdam or Europe as the ideal targets. People at the bottom of the food chain do what they are told or get fired. The best they can be are as goats. For example, why did it take so long to put locks on the cabin doors to the pilots? Because big budgets and fast talk were more important than reality. Good question! I asked it knowing the answer. It is because it was never about security, it was about more controls over people. Getting tabs on American citizens, non-terrorists going to the Caymans for tax evasion. Government like the mafia, hates ibeing skimmed. 9/11 was terrorists, but gave the government a good excuse to water down freedom, track peoples money and become bigger (statism). Having a locked cockpit has been suggested for decades. Wasn't fancy sell to politicians to do PR and BS with. Talk a look at who they do catch, and always there is a person behind it that takes there job seriously, including profiling and whatever they can use. I don't agree with racial profiling, but I do agree with intelligent profiling. Seems to me that if someone's father tells the embassy that his son is a threat, and then said son gets on a flight to the US, then he should have at least been pulled from the line, strip searched, questioned for an extended period, etc. If it was a mistake (perhaps the father over-reacted), then fine, he could have his clothes back and continue. I too don't really like it, even though my profile would let me off the hook. But the mathematics of probabilities say you must. What is more important? Being effective or racially blind? Islam/muslim culture often teaches facism and racism, certainly intollerance as they tend to be the most violent antions on earth today. Often literally beheading their own on poliitical not moral motivation. Sharia law for example, used more often than not as an exebition of power than of any moral issues. When dealing with a culture that has a large facist segment, profiling become a must. We all do it, just many are not as conciously aware of themselves enough to see it, as many choose to ignore the fact that they actually do just that. |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:23:03 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote: Is it me, or what? Am I profiling? This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in the last year. Others, please STFU. Okay. This is just me. I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees, are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when their next break is. Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated, yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit. Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU members? I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO. Rant off Steve I got called off to the side where a big lady reached into my bag and asked, "Is this yours?" To which I replied, "Yes Ma'am." She said, "What is it? You know you can't take this on the airplane?" I said, "It's a jar of homemade blueberry jam I was going to give my brother. You're welcome to open it and taste it." But, she wouldn't give it back. Those were some careful people. They definitely fit your profile. My ballpoint pen was in my pocket. Shoved up the nose of a stewardess, there'd be a dead stewardess. But, ballpoints are OK. I don't understand it either. -- John H "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Churchill |
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"Steve B" wrote in message
... Is it me, or what? Am I profiling? This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in the last year. Others, please STFU. Okay. This is just me. I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees, are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when their next break is. Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated, yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit. Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU members? I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO. Rant off Steve I had an interesting experience right after 9/11 with airport security coming back from Hawaii. There was a really big guy ahead of us in line. He was carrying a notebook computer. The checker at the x-ray machine asked him to take it out of the case and turn it on, and he started to get really irate. We were next through. He was arguing and raising his voice big time. My friend nudged me, and I could see that "other" security people were starting to get interested and moving our way. Finally my friend said to him, hey, are you dumb or what? Do you want to miss your flight and get strip searched. Start the f*cking computer, so we can all get out of here. Amazing, since my friend is rather a calm guy. Anyway, the guy with the computer did an about face on attitude, apologized, and started it up. Everyone was relieved. I'm headed off for a short trip to France, so I'll see how much things have changed or not since my last trip about a year ago. I came back with a fairly big bottle of some perfume last time that I forgot to pack, so I figured I'd try (for a friend... I don't use it), and I sailed right through no problem. It was way over the oz limit. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Steve B" wrote in message
... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... On 28/12/2009 6:53 AM, BAR wrote: In inet, says... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:08:39 -0500, Jim wrote: That is exactly one of the problems with profiling. You don't spend 20% of the resources. You spend 80% of the resources, and ignore all the rest. Put two people on an airplane, one a young Muslim man, the other an older white woman. The woman is carrying the bomb. While all the airport security focuses on the young Muslim man, the woman slips on board. Rediculous. You would never get a job as a profiler. Yup, but consider, this last incident was caused by a black Nigerian, not an Arab. As I said before, if you want to profile a terrorist, fine, but if you think racial profiling is the answer, you are going to miss a lot of terrorists, McVeigh, the Unabomber, the Shoe Bomber, Black Widows, etc., etc. The majority religion in Nigeria is Islam. AND a visit to Yemen...quick google search on "yemen terrorism" has quit a few hits. Including a ship bombing. This guy had terrorist almost written all over him. Nigeria-Yemem-Amsterdam-Detroit isn't a common or direct flight plan. Has anyone checked the thought that he might be an Obama relative coming in for an auto exec position? Hey, just asking. Steve Umm.... I think Obama was reported to be born in either Kenya or Australia. I don't think Nigeria, Yemen, or The Netherlands are on the list. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 12/28/09 3:56 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Steve wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 28/12/2009 6:53 AM, BAR wrote: In inet, says... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:08:39 -0500, Jim wrote: That is exactly one of the problems with profiling. You don't spend 20% of the resources. You spend 80% of the resources, and ignore all the rest. Put two people on an airplane, one a young Muslim man, the other an older white woman. The woman is carrying the bomb. While all the airport security focuses on the young Muslim man, the woman slips on board. Rediculous. You would never get a job as a profiler. Yup, but consider, this last incident was caused by a black Nigerian, not an Arab. As I said before, if you want to profile a terrorist, fine, but if you think racial profiling is the answer, you are going to miss a lot of terrorists, McVeigh, the Unabomber, the Shoe Bomber, Black Widows, etc., etc. The majority religion in Nigeria is Islam. AND a visit to Yemen...quick google search on "yemen terrorism" has quit a few hits. Including a ship bombing. This guy had terrorist almost written all over him. Nigeria-Yemem-Amsterdam-Detroit isn't a common or direct flight plan. Has anyone checked the thought that he might be an Obama relative coming in for an auto exec position? Hey, just asking. Steve Umm.... I think Obama was reported to be born in either Kenya or Australia. I don't think Nigeria, Yemen, or The Netherlands are on the list. Ol Steve is just another right-wing racist bottom feeder. I'm sure you picked up on that. If his kid is lucky, his wife will throw Steve out before much more time elapses. |
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
... On 28/12/2009 12:36 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many purely politicial barriers in doing this right. I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a higher level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is, ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that. Problem is the administration will find some low level goat and blame them. If they did fire someone over this I would pick management in Amsterdam or Europe as the ideal targets. I think it's doubtful that some high-level person in the administration had anything specifically to do with this situation. It's likely a relatively low-level person not doing the right thing, but we'll see. People at the bottom of the food chain do what they are told or get fired. The best they can be are as goats. For example, why did it take so long to put locks on the cabin doors to the pilots? Because big budgets and fast talk were more important than reality. Good question! I asked it knowing the answer. It is because it was never about security, it was about more controls over people. Getting tabs on American citizens, non-terrorists going to the Caymans for tax evasion. Government like the mafia, hates ibeing skimmed. No, I think it was more about the expense to the airlines. That's what I recall being the big deal at the time. 9/11 was terrorists, but gave the government a good excuse to water down freedom, track peoples money and become bigger (statism). Having a locked cockpit has been suggested for decades. Wasn't fancy sell to politicians to do PR and BS with. Talk a look at who they do catch, and always there is a person behind it that takes there job seriously, including profiling and whatever they can use. I don't agree with racial profiling, but I do agree with intelligent profiling. Seems to me that if someone's father tells the embassy that his son is a threat, and then said son gets on a flight to the US, then he should have at least been pulled from the line, strip searched, questioned for an extended period, etc. If it was a mistake (perhaps the father over-reacted), then fine, he could have his clothes back and continue. I too don't really like it, even though my profile would let me off the hook. But the mathematics of probabilities say you must. What is more important? Being effective or racially blind? It's not about race. It's about intelligent profiling. It's about ensuring that the people on the front lines have the right information and are empowered to use it. Just because someone is black and from Nigeria isn't enough. There needs to be some other factor.. e.g., no luggage, on a watch list. Reading a Koran isn't enough, but e.g., screaming infidels must die would be. Islam/muslim culture often teaches facism and racism, certainly intollerance as they tend to be the most violent antions on earth today. Often literally beheading their own on poliitical not moral motivation. Sharia law for example, used more often than not as an exebition of power than of any moral issues. As does the Christian culture. And, the Christian culture is currently engaged in several wars. When dealing with a culture that has a large facist segment, profiling become a must. No. It's not cultural. It's radicalization of specific individuals. We all do it, just many are not as conciously aware of themselves enough to see it, as many choose to ignore the fact that they actually do just that. Yes, we all do it. And the mark of a complete human being is to fight our more base instincts. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Dec 26, 11:55*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? *Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. *An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. *I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic I'd rather die see some people naked. -- Nom=de=Plume "I'd rather die see some people naked" D'Plume. I would never call you "average." |
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On Dec 27, 9:01*am, "mmc" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? *Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. *An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. *I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" *from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. We have been telling you this system treats us like criminals with little to no benefit in the end. A million people on a watch list and even having a place on the watch list allowed this fool to bring a bomb on the plane when I can't bring toothpaste. Laws and rules don't stop criminals. In addition to the ample demonstration here and previously, there is also the matter that the Constitution didn't stop the criminals in DC from violating our rights with the TSA. We are herded into a choice soft target in security lines and then our rights and privacy are raped by officers of a government agency. I hope people are learning from these foiled plots (foiled by other passengers) that the government cannot and will not protect us - we need to protect ourselves. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Dec 26, 11:55 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic I'd rather die see some people naked. -- Nom=de=Plume "I'd rather die see some people naked" D'Plume. I would never call you "average." I'd rather you not call me at all. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work. How about hire only non-union Blackwater thugs to harass people before they board, who have dark skin? What exactly are you proposing? We have been telling you this system treats us like criminals with little to no benefit in the end. A million people on a watch list and even having a place on the watch list allowed this fool to bring a bomb on the plane when I can't bring toothpaste. About 500K, but your facts are a bit difference, as usual. Laws and rules don't stop criminals. In addition to the ample demonstration here and previously, there is also the matter that the Thus, we should have no laws or rules? That's your logical argument? Constitution didn't stop the criminals in DC from violating our rights with the TSA. But, they might be able to hold those accountable who did violate our rights, but Dick Cheney is still rich and free. We are herded into a choice soft target in security lines and then our rights and privacy are raped by officers of a government agency. Solution: Don't get in the line. I hope people are learning from these foiled plots (foiled by other passengers) that the government cannot and will not protect us - we need to protect ourselves. Uh huh. Whatever... -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:32:06 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: As you said earlier about Clinton and Bin Laden in Sudan, what was he supposed to do? Fair question. Here's my answer... Bush should have concentrated on capturing and killing bin laden and his cronies. He failed not just to do that, but he failed to even try very hard. Why do you think we weren't looking for Osama? Obama has had it as his stated goal for almost a year, having a pretty good idea where he is and we still keep coming up empty. If Osama is really still alive and living in those tribal areas on the Afghan/Pakistan boarder, he will probably die of old age unless we just get real lucky. He's in Pakistan. They are a sovereign country that has nukes and a big muslim population. As it is, we're infuriating the very people we need on our side. Personally I am not sure he is even alive and if he is, so what? Yeah, well, first you cut off the heads, then you go for the body. Do you really think the primitive things that we keep getting hit with require some criminal genius to come up with? Genius no, intelligent yes. If we caught OBL tomorrow and killed him, there would be 10 more guys waiting to take his place. Us killing innocent people all over that region creates more terrorists than we can kill. If Afghanistan is really the cradle of terrorism, why to we enable them by making the US the target of choice? In real life, if we ran all the terrorists out of Afghanistan, they would pop up in Somalia, Yemen or some other rogue nation where we have no influence.. So, what's your solution? We tried doing nothing during the early part of the Bush administration. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:36:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Actiually, I blame peoples stupidity. But Obama be the one responsible these days. I didn't agree with Bush's go at it either. Too many purely politicial barriers in doing this right. I do as well. The person responsible for not putting this person on a higher level list should be fired and the protocols should be changed. Obama is, ultimately, responsible. I think he gets that. I wonder how many people would fit this guy's profile? I believe we are "watching" about a quarter of a million people. The question is which ones need to be watched more closely and still staying politically correct enough not to be criticized for it. In Obama's defense, this is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't things. We're not actually watching them ... those on the 500K watch list. As I've said, intelligent profiling would solve much of this. Looks like we aren't yet doing a good job with this. On the bright side, even if this guy's bomb had gone off, the chances of blowing a hole in the skin of a plane and bringing it down is fairly slim. Remember Aloha Airlines Flight 243 where about 150 square feet of the skin peeled off and the only person who died was a flight attendant who blew out of the hole. Both this and the shoe bomber were really overblown as a threat. I believe the authorities said that it was plenty to bring down the plane, but I agree that the threat is overblown in the sense that we're not reacting to it properly. Personally, I really don't want to see random people's feet. As far as I am concerned, the terrorists have won. They have us living our lives in fear and made traveling a living hell. They should put one more security system on the planes, an air lock. Catch these guys, put them in the air lock at 30,000 feet, then open the outer door. "Bye Bye, your virgins are on the ground waiting for you" I don't think they've won. Most people are not fearful. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Dec 28, 4:40*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work. Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think alike. And also make as much sense. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 26, 11:55 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic I'd rather die see some people naked. -- Nom=de=Plume "I'd rather die see some people naked" D'Plume. I would never call you "average." I'd rather you not call me at all. Good one sister. That was a real knee slapper. -- It's flattering to see so many of you turds spoofing me. |
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Harry wrote:
Good one sister. That was a real knee slapper. Another from flajim, the newsgroup ID spoofer. |
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On 28/12/2009 1:01 PM, lil abner wrote:
Harry wrote: On 12/27/09 10:48 PM, thunder wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:44:25 -0500, Harry wrote: Wait until the teabaggers start blowing up buildings, planes, and crowds of people. Yeah, but that wouldn't be terrorism. That would be patriotism, if I understand the teabaggers correctly. i'd be interested in seeing the links between the teabaggers and the KKK. The teabaggers include a large number of latino haters, and, of course, so does the KKK. Maybe herring knows. He's a self-outed hater of latinos and blacks, and a teabagger sympathizer. So now being Patriotic is to hate Illegal Immigrant Latinos and Black Americans and be a KKK Member? How white of you. Do you think racism only come in white? |
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On 28/12/2009 12:24 PM, Steve B wrote:
wrote in message ... On 28/12/2009 6:53 AM, BAR wrote: In inet, says... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:08:39 -0500, Jim wrote: That is exactly one of the problems with profiling. You don't spend 20% of the resources. You spend 80% of the resources, and ignore all the rest. Put two people on an airplane, one a young Muslim man, the other an older white woman. The woman is carrying the bomb. While all the airport security focuses on the young Muslim man, the woman slips on board. Rediculous. You would never get a job as a profiler. Yup, but consider, this last incident was caused by a black Nigerian, not an Arab. As I said before, if you want to profile a terrorist, fine, but if you think racial profiling is the answer, you are going to miss a lot of terrorists, McVeigh, the Unabomber, the Shoe Bomber, Black Widows, etc., etc. The majority religion in Nigeria is Islam. AND a visit to Yemen...quick google search on "yemen terrorism" has quit a few hits. Including a ship bombing. This guy had terrorist almost written all over him. Nigeria-Yemem-Amsterdam-Detroit isn't a common or direct flight plan. Has anyone checked the thought that he might be an Obama relative coming in for an auto exec position? Hey, just asking. Steve LMAO... that was funny. But work in Obama's heritage is Kenya, but who knows...AIDS is popular over there as people do get around. |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:56:02 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: I never claimed profiling will get them all, just a method of spending 20% of the resources for 80% of the effect. Then you have 80% of the resources to go after 20% that remain. Increases the odds of being effective. That is exactly one of the problems with profiling. You don't spend 20% of the resources. You spend 80% of the resources, and ignore all the rest. Put two people on an airplane, one a young Muslim man, the other an older white woman. The woman is carrying the bomb. While all the airport security focuses on the young Muslim man, the woman slips on board. Israel uses exactly that on their airlines. Profiling. Seems to be working well for them. |
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On 28/12/2009 12:23 PM, Steve B wrote:
Is it me, or what? Am I profiling? This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in the last year. Others, please STFU. I should STFU but I will not. Gave up flying when I don't absolutely, and I mean have no other choice but to do it. Haven't been on a filthy bug infested smelly dirty plane in 2 years now. Okay. This is just me. I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees, are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when their next break is. Yep, was like that 2 years ago. Guess it hasn't changed much. Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated, yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit. You know it didn't go to waste. Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU members? Bigger government, more votes to keep the statism farce a going strong. I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO. Rant off Steve The more people that realize the rouse, the sooner we will be the wiser. Better to fight terrorism with terrorism. Send a hit squad to Yemen and Nigeria and kill off those that supported him including family. Then execute him. After all, his attempt was to leave many families without loved ones. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
Better to fight terrorism with terrorism. Send a hit squad to Yemen and Nigeria and kill off those that supported him including family. Then execute him. After all, his attempt was to leave many families without loved ones. One thing we can always count upon from the right - incredible stupidity. |
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On 28/12/2009 1:28 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:23:03 -0800, "Steve B" wrote: Is it me, or what? Am I profiling? This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in the last year. Others, please STFU. Okay. This is just me. I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees, are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when their next break is. Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated, yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit. Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU members? I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO. Rant off Steve I got called off to the side where a big lady reached into my bag and asked, "Is this yours?" To which I replied, "Yes Ma'am." She said, "What is it? You know you can't take this on the airplane?" I said, "It's a jar of homemade blueberry jam I was going to give my brother. You're welcome to open it and taste it." But, she wouldn't give it back. Those were some careful people. They definitely fit your profile. My ballpoint pen was in my pocket. Shoved up the nose of a stewardess, there'd be a dead stewardess. But, ballpoints are OK. I don't understand it either. A rouse. Pony show for the public. Instead of that ball point pen entering the stewardess nose, consider it can also enter the terrorists ear pretty quick. Keep it handy next time you fly. |
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:32:21 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 28/12/2009 1:28 PM, John H wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:23:03 -0800, "Steve B" wrote: Is it me, or what? Am I profiling? This is JUST for the people who've actually been to an airport on a trip in the last year. Others, please STFU. Okay. This is just me. I have noticed that A LOT of airport workers, particularly TSA employees, are of a minority group. (there's that profiling I warned you about) All look like they are either in a trance, or they want to rip the lining out of your baggage in search of some elusive contraband. They're either over the top or sleep walking. No in between. All watching their watch to see when their next break is. Flying back from Hawaii, I had a bottle of EXPENSIVE cologne confiscated, yet they left a FULL SIZED PAIR OF HAIR SCISSORS in the same shave kit. Are all these people steered to these jobs from ACORN? Are they SEIU members? I mean, it COULD be me, but I see a pattern here. The term Airport Security makes me feel very unsecure. And actual PROFILING isn't used enough, IMHO. Rant off Steve I got called off to the side where a big lady reached into my bag and asked, "Is this yours?" To which I replied, "Yes Ma'am." She said, "What is it? You know you can't take this on the airplane?" I said, "It's a jar of homemade blueberry jam I was going to give my brother. You're welcome to open it and taste it." But, she wouldn't give it back. Those were some careful people. They definitely fit your profile. My ballpoint pen was in my pocket. Shoved up the nose of a stewardess, there'd be a dead stewardess. But, ballpoints are OK. I don't understand it either. A rouse. Pony show for the public. Instead of that ball point pen entering the stewardess nose, consider it can also enter the terrorists ear pretty quick. Keep it handy next time you fly. Trouble is - the terrorist will have his pen up the stewardess's nose. Oh well, this latest guy will get a liberal judge, a year in prison, minus time served, and be back in Yemen plotting another one. I'm surprised the administration is even using the word 'terrorist' again. Maybe they're learning something after all. All 'Bama's apologizing for America hasn't changed much. -- John H "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Churchill |
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On 28/12/2009 5:06 AM, Jim wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 27/12/2009 8:39 PM, thunder wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:05:55 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: I don't make them up. How many air plane incidents in say the last 10 years involve other than young male islam/muslims? Never heard of the Black Widows? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka Don't give me the hate group nonsense. If I am looking for terrorists I am not going to be wearing a turbin padding down an eldery white nun living 30 years in Arkansas I am going to get no where. Profiling has had some successes with single individuals. When you are talking of a terrorist organization, it will just look for whackos that don't fit the profile. By the way, Mohammed Atta doesn't fit your profile. He was 33. Looks like Ruskies have some fiesty and deadly women. Did they do a US airliner? 33, he would fit. I said young, not kids... say 14 to 40. I never claimed profiling will get them all, just a method of spending 20% of the resources for 80% of the effect. Then you have 80% of the resources to go after 20% that remain. Increases the odds of being effective. And add all terrorist groups, even domestic skin heads. Although you are correct, profiling shines a light on certain races and classes of people. We can't allow that to happen. ;-) It isn't fredoom of speach, nor freedom to bomb, it would usually be 5 minutes of questions and not a carte blanc to just walk on unchecked. Bet some skilled border type would have nailed him if profiles and some special 5 minutes of questions rattled his cage. Ever wonder why border people ask the dumbest things? It is to test your reaction. A discovery of your demeanor if you will. It isn't like a back room beating is going to happen. Unless of course some drugs/chemical explosives drops from their crotch. |
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On 28/12/2009 1:04 PM, lil abner wrote:
Canuck57 wrote: On 27/12/2009 8:39 PM, thunder wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:05:55 -0700, Canuck57 wrote: I don't make them up. How many air plane incidents in say the last 10 years involve other than young male islam/muslims? Never heard of the Black Widows? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka Don't give me the hate group nonsense. If I am looking for terrorists I am not going to be wearing a turbin padding down an eldery white nun living 30 years in Arkansas I am going to get no where. Profiling has had some successes with single individuals. When you are talking of a terrorist organization, it will just look for whackos that don't fit the profile. By the way, Mohammed Atta doesn't fit your profile. He was 33. Looks like Ruskies have some fiesty and deadly women. Did they do a US airliner? 33, he would fit. I said young, not kids... say 14 to 40. I never claimed profiling will get them all, just a method of spending 20% of the resources for 80% of the effect. Then you have 80% of the resources to go after 20% that remain. Increases the odds of being effective. And add all terrorist groups, even domestic skin heads. Profiling works, that is why the Terrorists and others don't want to be profiled. If your enemy is a Islamic Fanatic they probably bow to Mecca. And you bet they profile the USA... ....waiting until the approach to populated Detroit in an attempt to maximize damage and media coverage. Yep, profiling this group would matematicially work like a charm. Would ahve stopped 9/11 too. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work. Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think alike. And also make as much sense. In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that character. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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TopBassDog wrote:
On Dec 26, 11:55 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic I'd rather die see some people naked. -- Nom=de=Plume "I'd rather die see some people naked" D'Plume. I would never call you "average." Hell no. She's a fairy tale princess the way she tells it. And smart too, plenty smart. But honestly, I think she has visions of us all naked and can't make up her mind as to which one of us she is going to ravage first. Try not to gag when you process that thought. |
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On Dec 28, 6:43*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work. Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think alike. And also make as much sense. In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that character. -- Nom=de=Plume Oh, D'Plume. I do realise it, and that is why I mentioned him. And you do have more in common with the thoughtless character than you think. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
... On Dec 28, 6:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work. Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think alike. And also make as much sense. In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that character. -- Nom=de=Plume Oh, D'Plume. I do realise it, and that is why I mentioned him. And you do have more in common with the thoughtless character than you think. I'm sure you're going to tell us at any moment. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:43:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:32:06 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: As you said earlier about Clinton and Bin Laden in Sudan, what was he supposed to do? Fair question. Here's my answer... Bush should have concentrated on capturing and killing bin laden and his cronies. He failed not just to do that, but he failed to even try very hard. Why do you think we weren't looking for Osama? Obama has had it as his stated goal for almost a year, having a pretty good idea where he is and we still keep coming up empty. If Osama is really still alive and living in those tribal areas on the Afghan/Pakistan boarder, he will probably die of old age unless we just get real lucky. He's in Pakistan. They are a sovereign country that has nukes and a big muslim population. As it is, we're infuriating the very people we need on our side. Personally I am not sure he is even alive and if he is, so what? Yeah, well, first you cut off the heads, then you go for the body. Great metaphor but this is not a classic management tree. I doubt anyone in Afghanistan had ever heard of Richard Reid or this last **** ant who has managed to paralyse our transportation system with a firecracker. Do you really think the primitive things that we keep getting hit with require some criminal genius to come up with? Genius no, intelligent yes. If you are only talking about the top 1% of IQs that is still 10 million muslims, If only one in a million hate us there are still 9 more bin ladens out there. If we caught OBL tomorrow and killed him, there would be 10 more guys waiting to take his place. Us killing innocent people all over that region creates more terrorists than we can kill. If Afghanistan is really the cradle of terrorism, why to we enable them by making the US the target of choice? In real life, if we ran all the terrorists out of Afghanistan, they would pop up in Somalia, Yemen or some other rogue nation where we have no influence.. So, what's your solution? We tried doing nothing during the early part of the Bush administration. We invaded Afghanistan on October 7 2001, looking for Bin Laden and according to your Sudan analysis we didn't even have a reason to look until 9/11 of that year. We invaded sort of (did you see the last 60 Minutes?), half-heartedly looked for him, and then Bush went after Saddam. Not sure what you mean by my "Sudan analysis." I don't think I mentioned Sudan. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Dec 28, 10:44*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Dec 28, 6:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message .... On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message .... On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message .. . Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties? They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point. What's the big deal? They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind. Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind. Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola. Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air.. Those who want to can just watch a movie. What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this? No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs by eliminating most of the TSA personnel. Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time. Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly. What say you fliers? --Vic Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on board in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3 oz. shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock bag to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits. TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set up and not likely to get better. I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling is in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little more closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if Bubba Joe actually resides on this group). Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more incompetent. And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work. Nom=de=Plume D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think alike. And also make as much sense. In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that character. -- Nom=de=Plume Oh, D'Plume. I do realise it, and that is why I mentioned him. And you do have more in common with the thoughtless character than you think. I'm sure you're going to tell us at any moment. -- Nom=de=Plume Tell "us" what, D'Plume? |
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"Jim" wrote Hell no. She's a fairy tale princess the way she tells it. And smart too, plenty smart. But honestly, I think she has visions of us all naked and can't make up her mind as to which one of us she is going to ravage first. Try not to gag when you process that thought. Puhleeeeeeeze. I just ate. Steve |
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"BAR" wrote Islam seeks world domination and they will not stop trying to achieve that goal unless they are all dead. Sorry. Correction. UNTIL they are all dead. They are more fanatical than the Japanese because at least SOME of the Japanese surrendered. These will go out with a bang rather than surrender. Steve |
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