On 28/12/2009 1:04 PM, lil abner wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 27/12/2009 8:39 PM, thunder wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:05:55 -0700, Canuck57 wrote:


I don't make them up. How many air plane incidents in say the last 10
years involve other than young male islam/muslims?

Never heard of the Black Widows?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahidka

Don't give me the hate group nonsense. If I am looking for terrorists I
am not going to be wearing a turbin padding down an eldery white nun
living 30 years in Arkansas I am going to get no where.

Profiling has had some successes with single individuals. When you are
talking of a terrorist organization, it will just look for whackos that
don't fit the profile. By the way, Mohammed Atta doesn't fit your
profile. He was 33.

Looks like Ruskies have some fiesty and deadly women. Did they do a US
airliner?

33, he would fit. I said young, not kids... say 14 to 40.

I never claimed profiling will get them all, just a method of spending
20% of the resources for 80% of the effect. Then you have 80% of the
resources to go after 20% that remain. Increases the odds of being
effective.

And add all terrorist groups, even domestic skin heads.

Profiling works, that is why the Terrorists and others don't want to be
profiled.
If your enemy is a Islamic Fanatic they probably bow to Mecca.

And you bet they profile the USA...

....waiting until the approach to populated Detroit in an attempt to
maximize damage and media coverage.

Yep, profiling this group would matematicially work like a charm. Would
ahve stopped 9/11 too.

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message

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On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote:



"Vic Smith" wrote in message

.. .

Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties?
They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point.
What's the big deal?
They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind.
Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind.
Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk
in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola.
Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group
sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air.
Those who want to can just watch a movie.
What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this?
No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs
by eliminating most of the TSA personnel.
Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time.
Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly.
What say you fliers?

--Vic

Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on
board
in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3
oz.
shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock
bag
to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits.
TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set
up
and not likely to get better.
I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling
is
in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little
more
closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if
Bubba Joe actually resides on this group).
Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to
failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more
incompetent.

And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they
board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work.

Nom=de=Plume


D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think
alike.

And also make as much sense.


In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've
not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that character.
--
Nom=de=Plume

TopBassDog wrote:
On Dec 26, 11:55 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

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Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties?
They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point.
What's the big deal?
They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind.
Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind.
Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk
in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola.
Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group
sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air.
Those who want to can just watch a movie.
What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this?
No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs
by eliminating most of the TSA personnel.
Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time.
Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly.
What say you fliers?
--Vic
I'd rather die see some people naked.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"I'd rather die see some people naked"

D'Plume. I would never call you "average."

Hell no. She's a fairy tale princess the way she tells it. And smart
too, plenty smart. But honestly, I think she has visions of us all naked
and can't make up her mind as to which one of us she is going to ravage
first. Try not to gag when you process that thought.

On Dec 28, 6:43*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message

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On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



"TopBassDog" wrote in message

...
On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

.. .

Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties?
They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point.
What's the big deal?
They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind.
Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind.
Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane gedunk
in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola.
Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group
sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air.
Those who want to can just watch a movie.
What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this?
No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs
by eliminating most of the TSA personnel.
Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time.
Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly.
What say you fliers?

--Vic

Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on
board
in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3
oz.
shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist ziplock
bag
to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits.
TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set
up
and not likely to get better.
I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial profiling
is
in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little
more
closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies if
Bubba Joe actually resides on this group).
Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to
failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more
incompetent.

And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before they
board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work.
Nom=de=Plume
D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think
alike.

And also make as much sense.

In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've
not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that character.
--
Nom=de=Plume

Oh, D'Plume. I do realise it, and that is why I mentioned him. And you
do have more in common with the thoughtless character than you think.

"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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On Dec 28, 6:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message

...
On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



"TopBassDog" wrote in message

...
On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

.. .

Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties?
They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point.
What's the big deal?
They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind.
Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind.
Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane
gedunk
in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola.
Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group
sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air.
Those who want to can just watch a movie.
What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this?
No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs
by eliminating most of the TSA personnel.
Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time.
Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly.
What say you fliers?

--Vic

Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on
board
in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3
oz.
shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist
ziplock
bag
to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits.
TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set
up
and not likely to get better.
I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial
profiling
is
in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little
more
closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies
if
Bubba Joe actually resides on this group).
Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to
failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more
incompetent.

And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before
they
board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work.
Nom=de=Plume
D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think
alike.

And also make as much sense.

In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've
not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that
character.
--
Nom=de=Plume

Oh, D'Plume. I do realise it, and that is why I mentioned him. And you
do have more in common with the thoughtless character than you think.


I'm sure you're going to tell us at any moment.

--
Nom=de=Plume

wrote in message
news
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:43:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:32:06 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

As you said earlier about Clinton and Bin Laden in Sudan, what was he
supposed to do?

Fair question. Here's my answer... Bush should have concentrated on
capturing and killing bin laden and his cronies. He failed not just to
do
that, but he failed to even try very hard.

Why do you think we weren't looking for Osama? Obama has had it as his
stated goal for almost a year, having a pretty good idea where he is
and we still keep coming up empty. If Osama is really still alive and
living in those tribal areas on the Afghan/Pakistan boarder, he will
probably die of old age unless we just get real lucky.

He's in Pakistan. They are a sovereign country that has nukes and a big
muslim population. As it is, we're infuriating the very people we need on
our side.

Personally I am not sure he is even alive and if he is, so what?

Yeah, well, first you cut off the heads, then you go for the body.

Great metaphor but this is not a classic management tree. I doubt
anyone in Afghanistan had ever heard of Richard Reid or this last ****
ant who has managed to paralyse our transportation system with a
firecracker.


Do you really think the primitive things that we keep getting hit with
require some criminal genius to come up with?

Genius no, intelligent yes.

If you are only talking about the top 1% of IQs that is still 10
million muslims, If only one in a million hate us there are still 9
more bin ladens out there.


If we caught OBL tomorrow and killed him, there would be 10 more guys
waiting to take his place. Us killing innocent people all over that
region creates more terrorists than we can kill. If Afghanistan is
really the cradle of terrorism, why to we enable them by making the US
the target of choice?
In real life, if we ran all the terrorists out of Afghanistan, they
would pop up in Somalia, Yemen or some other rogue nation where we
have no influence..

So, what's your solution? We tried doing nothing during the early part of
the Bush administration.

We invaded Afghanistan on October 7 2001, looking for Bin Laden and
according to your Sudan analysis we didn't even have a reason to look
until 9/11 of that year.


We invaded sort of (did you see the last 60 Minutes?), half-heartedly looked
for him, and then Bush went after Saddam.

Not sure what you mean by my "Sudan analysis." I don't think I mentioned
Sudan.

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Dec 28, 10:44*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"TopBassDog" wrote in message

...
On Dec 28, 6:43 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:



"TopBassDog" wrote in message

....
On Dec 28, 4:40 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

"TopBassDog" wrote in message

....
On Dec 27, 9:01 am, "mmc" wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

.. .

Why not just make flyers strip and issue hospital gowns and booties?
They can pick up their clothes at the arrival point.
What's the big deal?
They can modify the hospital gowns so your ass isn't in the wind.
Maybe go to a trousers and shirt kind.
Let everybody carry 20 bucks aboard to buy stuff from the plane
gedunk
in case they just have to have a Snickers or a Coca-Cola.
Crew can organize prayer sessions (multi-denomination), group
sing-alongs and charade games to keep folks busy while in the air..
Those who want to can just watch a movie.
What's the problem here? Why aren't they doing this?
No more long security waits at the airport, and you can reduce costs
by eliminating most of the TSA personnel.
Be more fun flying too. An adventure every time.
Looks doable to me. I must add though, that I don't fly.
What say you fliers?

--Vic

Or, TSA could pay attention to the no fly list and not let the jerk on
board
in the first place. They may be too busy checking to make sure your 3
oz.
shampoo bottle is properly secured in it's 1 qt. anti- terrorist
ziplock
bag
to be bothered with a heads up from the Brits.
TSA is a poor substitute for security. It's been crap since it was set
up
and not likely to get better.
I know the libs will squeal at this but mayube a little racial
profiling
is
in order? Like, check out people with obviously Muslim names a little
more
closely than pasty white "Bubba Joe Smith" from Texarkana (apologies
if
Bubba Joe actually resides on this group).
Yet more government think will surely be employed and in response to
failure, the broken system will be made even larger and more
incompetent.

And your solution is less gov't. How about issue everyone guns before
they
board? Oh wait, these guys want to die, so that's not going to work.
Nom=de=Plume
D'Plume. I find it peculiar that you and one Archie Bunker think
alike.

And also make as much sense.

In case you didn't realize it, Archie Bunker was a comedic exercise. I've
not said nor do I believe in much of anything in common with that
character.
--
Nom=de=Plume

Oh, D'Plume. I do realise it, and that is why I mentioned him. And you
do have more in common with the thoughtless character than you think.

I'm sure you're going to tell us at any moment.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Tell "us" what, D'Plume?

"Jim" wrote

Hell no. She's a fairy tale princess the way she tells it. And smart too,
plenty smart. But honestly, I think she has visions of us all naked and
can't make up her mind as to which one of us she is going to ravage first.
Try not to gag when you process that thought.

Puhleeeeeeeze. I just ate.

Steve

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:32:06 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

As you said earlier about Clinton and Bin Laden in Sudan, what was he
supposed to do?

Fair question. Here's my answer... Bush should have concentrated on
capturing and killing bin laden and his cronies. He failed not just to do
that, but he failed to even try very hard.

Why do you think we weren't looking for Osama? Obama has had it as his
stated goal for almost a year, having a pretty good idea where he is
and we still keep coming up empty. If Osama is really still alive and
living in those tribal areas on the Afghan/Pakistan boarder, he will
probably die of old age unless we just get real lucky.

OBL is really sticking it to the US and the rest of the Western world by
living the lavish life style of an elder in the tribal regions between
Afghanistan and Pakistan. Looking over your shoulder seeing if someone
is going to turn you in or kill you is a hell of a way to live.

Personally I am not sure he is even alive and if he is, so what?
Do you really think the primitive things that we keep getting hit with
require some criminal genius to come up with?

OBL was emasculated. He hides in caves, travels at night and can't show
himself in any world capitals. Or in any cities of any size.

If we caught OBL tomorrow and killed him, there would be 10 more guys
waiting to take his place. Us killing innocent people all over that
region creates more terrorists than we can kill. If Afghanistan is
really the cradle of terrorism, why to we enable them by making the US
the target of choice?

There is no value in chasing down OBL. Leave him as the mythical leader
of Al-Qaieda. Let the fear of him showing up prevent the Al-Qaieda
lieutenants from taking over.

In real life, if we ran all the terrorists out of Afghanistan, they
would pop up in Somalia, Yemen or some other rogue nation where we
have no influence..

Keep them in one place fighting the great Satan, where the great Satan
can more easily kill them. Just like we did in Iraq.

Islam seeks world domination and they will not stop trying to achieve
that goal unless they are all dead.

"BAR" wrote

Islam seeks world domination and they will not stop trying to achieve
that goal unless they are all dead.

Sorry. Correction. UNTIL they are all dead. They are more fanatical than
the Japanese because at least SOME of the Japanese surrendered. These will
go out with a bang rather than surrender.

Steve