On Dec 24, 1:05*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. *Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

No, he's not a typical NRA supporter. I am.and I would wager he didn't
have a NRA sticker on his truck, that is even if he had a truck. I
dont' have a sticker on any of my cars. of course,I dont' have
anyone's stickers on my vehicles.

On 12/24/09 8:45 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 24, 1:05 am, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

No, he's not a typical NRA supporter. I am.and I would wager he didn't
have a NRA sticker on his truck, that is even if he had a truck. I
dont' have a sticker on any of my cars. of course,I dont' have
anyone's stickers on my vehicles.


I have some firearms, and would not even *consider* joining the NRA.

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:49:58 -0500, Harry
wrote:

On 12/24/09 8:45 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 24, 1:05 am, wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

No, he's not a typical NRA supporter. I am.and I would wager he didn't
have a NRA sticker on his truck, that is even if he had a truck. I
dont' have a sticker on any of my cars. of course,I dont' have
anyone's stickers on my vehicles.


I have some firearms, and would not even *consider* joining the NRA.
I have 4 rifles, 2 shotguns, a G19, a 1911, 2 .22 target autoloaders,
and a .38 wheel gun. I'm a right-wing Republican and *not* a member
of the NRA. My daughter is as left as one can get (she voted for
ugh yobama) and *is* an NRA member. (she shoots a Benelli shotgun)
Now, go figure.
Eddie

jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

Typical lefty. Sure - I'll bet you $10K.


Rob

In article ,
says...

jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Sure seems like a typical NRA supporter to me. Want to bet he had a
NRA sticker on his truck?

Typical lefty. Sure - I'll bet you $10K.


Rob

Uh, the pink army regulars here don't follow through on bets. Don't
waste your time..

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Danny Westneat

Seattle Times staff columnist

When our latest cop-shooter, David Crable, showed that he was
suicidal, violent and abusing alcohol, the courts in October cracked
down on his use of a dangerous piece of machinery.

His car.

But not his guns.

"I am afraid to be in my own home with him because of the many guns he
owns," his mother told the court in May.

"He carried a gun on himself at all times," said his Eatonville
neighbor, Bobby Brown, Tuesday morning after Crable allegedly ambushed
two Pierce County deputies, firing an estimated 10 shots from a few
feet away.

This case says it all about how blasé our society is about guns.
Here's a guy with a "long history of terrorizing his family." He
threatens his brother and his mother. He talks about shooting himself.
In June he pulls a knife on his teenage daughter and shoves her face
against a wall.

"He has a little bit of a history of having weapons, he has multiple
restraining orders against him from family members that he's
terrorized, he does have convictions of domestic violence, and we have
taken weapons from him before," summed up spokesman Ed Troyer of the
Sheriff's Office.

Yet the courts order him to attend parenting classes.

And, due to a 2-year-old drunken-driving incident, to install an
ignition-interlock device on his Corvette.

As for his guns? Nothing.

Those Corvettes, you've got to register them with the state. You have
to pass a test to drive them. If you show you're sometimes too drunk
to operate a Corvette in a safe manner, then we'll try to use
technology to prevent you from starting the machine at all.

Why? Because it's dangerous.

But guns? For the most part, it's do as you please. No way for police
to know whether you've got one or an entire arsenal. Not even when
you're violent, suicidal and terrorizing your family.

It's not the police or the courts' fault. They're operating by the
rules we've set up. Which with guns is, barely any rules at all.

Before the gun toters go all Second Amendment on me, I have always
felt the Constitution grants a broad right to own guns. The U.S.
Supreme Court has settled that issue, anyway.

But rights aren't unlimited. There's nothing that bars gun
registration. Or testing. Or, say, letting police track guns, with
licensing or the use of microchips.

Or how about this: taking guns away from you after you threaten your
15-year-old daughter with a knife.

Now it's true: People like Crable aren't known for obeying. Maybe
there was no way to prevent the seventh and eighth local police
officers from being shot in the past two months.

Tougher laws might not have stopped the first police shooting. That
alleged perp, Christopher Monfort, had no criminal past.

Maurice Clemmons was already barred from owning guns. Somehow he
showed up that Sunday in a Pierce County coffee shop carrying a 9-mm
handgun and a .38-caliber revolver, which he got from who knows where.

Laws often won't stop the lethal combo of determined plus crazy.

But here's the nagging thing — with guns we aren't even trying.

All the sobriety checkpoints and ignition-lock devices don't rid us of
drunken drivers either. But they help. At least society gets the
message that it matters.

With guns, it's another shooting, another collective shrug. Just the
way it is, we say. Nothing to be done.

I sense the cops have had about enough of that line of argument. You
could hear it in the plea Tuesday of Pierce County Sheriff Paul
Pastor.

"They risk themselves for perfect strangers," he said of his officers.

"We need to ask ourselves how we support people like that, how we back
them, if they are going to stand in our stead, how we help them
protect us. I would like to see the community engage in those
questions and that dialogue so that we don't meet under these
circumstances."

He didn't get specific. I will. Unless we start taking guns as
seriously as Corvettes, it's all but certain we're going to be meeting
like this again.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:31:30 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.

Danny Westneat

Seattle Times staff columnist

When our latest cop-shooter, David Crable, showed that he was
suicidal, violent and abusing alcohol, the courts in October cracked
down on his use of a dangerous piece of machinery.

His car.

But not his guns.

"I am afraid to be in my own home with him because of the many guns he
owns," his mother told the court in May.

"He carried a gun on himself at all times," said his Eatonville
neighbor, Bobby Brown, Tuesday morning after Crable allegedly ambushed
two Pierce County deputies, firing an estimated 10 shots from a few
feet away.

This case says it all about how blasé our society is about guns.
Here's a guy with a "long history of terrorizing his family." He
threatens his brother and his mother. He talks about shooting himself.
In June he pulls a knife on his teenage daughter and shoves her face
against a wall.

"He has a little bit of a history of having weapons, he has multiple
restraining orders against him from family members that he's
terrorized, he does have convictions of domestic violence, and we have
taken weapons from him before," summed up spokesman Ed Troyer of the
Sheriff's Office.

Yet the courts order him to attend parenting classes.

And, due to a 2-year-old drunken-driving incident, to install an
ignition-interlock device on his Corvette.

As for his guns? Nothing.

Those Corvettes, you've got to register them with the state. You have
to pass a test to drive them. If you show you're sometimes too drunk
to operate a Corvette in a safe manner, then we'll try to use
technology to prevent you from starting the machine at all.

Why? Because it's dangerous.

But guns? For the most part, it's do as you please. No way for police
to know whether you've got one or an entire arsenal. Not even when
you're violent, suicidal and terrorizing your family.

It's not the police or the courts' fault. They're operating by the
rules we've set up. Which with guns is, barely any rules at all.

Before the gun toters go all Second Amendment on me, I have always
felt the Constitution grants a broad right to own guns. The U.S.
Supreme Court has settled that issue, anyway.

But rights aren't unlimited. There's nothing that bars gun
registration. Or testing. Or, say, letting police track guns, with
licensing or the use of microchips.

Or how about this: taking guns away from you after you threaten your
15-year-old daughter with a knife.

Now it's true: People like Crable aren't known for obeying. Maybe
there was no way to prevent the seventh and eighth local police
officers from being shot in the past two months.

Tougher laws might not have stopped the first police shooting. That
alleged perp, Christopher Monfort, had no criminal past.

Maurice Clemmons was already barred from owning guns. Somehow he
showed up that Sunday in a Pierce County coffee shop carrying a 9-mm
handgun and a .38-caliber revolver, which he got from who knows where.

Laws often won't stop the lethal combo of determined plus crazy.

But here's the nagging thing — with guns we aren't even trying.

All the sobriety checkpoints and ignition-lock devices don't rid us of
drunken drivers either. But they help. At least society gets the
message that it matters.

With guns, it's another shooting, another collective shrug. Just the
way it is, we say. Nothing to be done.

I sense the cops have had about enough of that line of argument. You
could hear it in the plea Tuesday of Pierce County Sheriff Paul
Pastor.

"They risk themselves for perfect strangers," he said of his officers.

"We need to ask ourselves how we support people like that, how we back
them, if they are going to stand in our stead, how we help them
protect us. I would like to see the community engage in those
questions and that dialogue so that we don't meet under these
circumstances."

He didn't get specific. I will. Unless we start taking guns as
seriously as Corvettes, it's all but certain we're going to be meeting
like this again.



You sure have too much time on your hands.

"No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article. "

Tim wrote:

No mention of the NRA or NRA membership in the article.


No surprise.

Rob (NRA Life Member)

jps wrote:
David E. Crable had guns. Lots of guns.

When he was arrested May 28 at his Spanaway home after his brother
accused him of assault, investigators found a cache of rifles and
handguns. The weapons were listed in a court document filed after the
arrest: Two 30.06 rifles, a .223 Bushmaster rifle, an AK47 remake, a
sniper rifle, a .357 revolver, and a Glock 27, among others.


That's nothing. Hardly a "cache".