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Another physicist not on the AGW payroll;
On Dec 24, 3:58*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:38:13 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Jack" wrote in message .... On Dec 22, 6:07 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message .... On Dec 22, 3:18 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... YIKES, another physicist not funded by the anthropogenic global warming funds: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/2...cosmic-rays-ma... Warming caused by cosmic rays and ozone he says. Peer reviewed and published in a real journal. He just did not get paid off in time but you can bet he'll lose his funding. I guess you missed the part about chlorofluorocarbons. Let me guess.... they're not created by humans. -- Nom=de=Plume We are not using those CFCs anymore so no need for the huge UN bureaucracy you want if this guy is correct. Bzzzt. Wrong answer. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9044919AAeN4Ek -- Nom=de=Plume Yup, just like cutting carbon emissions in America. Ruin what we have left of any manufacturing, while the rest of the world ignores the edict. Tried to buy any R12 lately? *You can't. *It's all been virtually put out of existence, at least here in the states. I'm sure. And, the other sources? Did you look at the link? What does "put out of existence" mean? As usual, Jack the dingaling hasn't a clue. *You can buy cans of R12 on ebay or locally on craigslist any day of the week. *They may no longer manufacture it or use in in manufacturing but there's still plenty of it around. No kidding... something has been regulated pretty much out of existence, but it's still obtainable? That's a lesson for gun control freaks, eh? BTW... most of the stuff you're seeing are products like "Freeze 12", which is tagged with "R12" for searching, but is a non-CFC replacement for it. A few old cans pop up, and there's some reclaimed R12 available, but by law you have to be certified to buy and use them. Of course the law means nothing to you... I'm sure you can buy crack down at your corner. "What's more, production of R12 ends December 31, 1995. After that date, the only R12 that will be available will be that which has already been stockpiled or can be recovered and recycled from existing A/C systems." So 15 years later, there's still some around. No new being manufactured for 15 years, stockpiles dwindling. That's "pretty much out of existence". |
Another physicist not on the AGW payroll;
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Another physicist not on the AGW payroll;
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:50:14 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote: In article , says... In article 091d3a55-1dd6-4121-9744-f8c831a532a2 @s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com, says... The point is that R12 and R22 are no longer used in new equipment. *In fact, it is hard to buy R12. *Either R22 or R12 used to be used as a parts cleaner but is no longer. *Both of them were used to "inflate" styrofoam but no longer, so the amount of these going into the air is tiny compared to what it used to be. I happen to have a full cylinder of R12 in the lab I am keeping for "something". nom is simply clueless about anything techno or "sciencey" We used to use R12 as a PC board cleaner when a newly soldered board came out of the wave soldering machine. *It cleaned the flux and crap off the board very efficiently. *We haven't been able to buy drums of it in at least 15 years. *Went to a water-soluble flux long ago. And what would nom have me do with this cylinder of freon? What about the 28 lbs of potassium cyanide (I only wanted 28 grams). I think I am more capable of handling this stuff than the county waste people. My wife has a 5 lb bucket of mercury. Like you she may need a couple of ounces a year but, you can't buy mercury in sub bucket quantities. Her companies regulations are more stringent than the county, state and federal government. Just out of curiosity, what does she use mercury for? Sprinkle it on swordfish steaks. Adds a nice flavor, although a little on the heavy side. :) -- Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year! John H |
Another physicist not on the AGW payroll;
In article ,
says... In article , says... In article 091d3a55-1dd6-4121-9744-f8c831a532a2 @s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com, says... The point is that R12 and R22 are no longer used in new equipment. *In fact, it is hard to buy R12. *Either R22 or R12 used to be used as a parts cleaner but is no longer. *Both of them were used to "inflate" styrofoam but no longer, so the amount of these going into the air is tiny compared to what it used to be. I happen to have a full cylinder of R12 in the lab I am keeping for "something". nom is simply clueless about anything techno or "sciencey" We used to use R12 as a PC board cleaner when a newly soldered board came out of the wave soldering machine. *It cleaned the flux and crap off the board very efficiently. *We haven't been able to buy drums of it in at least 15 years. *Went to a water-soluble flux long ago. And what would nom have me do with this cylinder of freon? What about the 28 lbs of potassium cyanide (I only wanted 28 grams). I think I am more capable of handling this stuff than the county waste people. My wife has a 5 lb bucket of mercury. Like you she may need a couple of ounces a year but, you can't buy mercury in sub bucket quantities. Her companies regulations are more stringent than the county, state and federal government. Just out of curiosity, what does she use mercury for? She uses it to test the porosity of materials. She has a machine that pushes mercury through stuff to see how much mercury and at what pressure it goes through the material. |
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