"Vic Smith"

Just seeing this. You saying somebody was trying to rip off a parking
space from somebody else?
That's some heavy stuff.
Think in the old days they called that kind of "perp" a rustler.
No, maybe squatter. Anyway, probably ended in a gunfight.
Well, maybe if they were sodbusters they'd go after each other with
shovels. I didn't even know they made icepicks any more.
Can't remember the last time I saw an ice pick. Probably 40 years.
Never trust a woman who keeps an ice pick or straight razor in her
purse. And if she has a peg leg she's probably even more dangerous.
I heard once that to commit the perfect murder you stab the victim in
the eye with an icicle. Similar to an icepick, but the weapon melts.
Hard to get it to the crime scene in the summer without a good cooler.
BTW, peg legs are usually associated with pirates, who spend a lot of
time on boats.

--Vic

I grew up in Las Vegas. As a young man, I parked card on the Strip. Some
of the old wise guys were still around. One was Israel "Icepick Willie"
Willie Alderman. Google reveals some interesting reading on him. I saw him
once, about 1967. He looked mean as hell with blank eyes. He was a very
small fellow, too. One of the only times I ever saw anyone wear a wool
tweed trench coat in Las Vegas.

Steve

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:08:38 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:


Nope, just stab wounds. Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. -
A Missouri teenager is accused of stabbing a man with an ice pick in
a
dispute over a parking spot.

Eighteen-year-old Caitlen Watkins of Springfield was charged Monday
in
Greene County with first-degree assault and armed criminal action.

According to court documents, Watkins and a passenger in her car
confronted another driver Sunday in the parking lot of a shopping
center after he took a parking place Watkins wanted.

Witnesses told police a fight broke out and the other driver was
stabbed half a dozen times with a wooden-handled, 5-inch ice pick.
Police say the other driver suffered a punctured kidney.

A judge set Watkins' bond at $75,000. She did not have a lawyer. She
has not yet had a hearing or entered a plea.


It is good for her that he didn't have a gun

Yup.

Actually the death rate from knife wounds and handgun wounds is about
the same. 20-22%. This excludes minor cuts where the knife does not
really enter the body.



You're looney...

http://www.mail-archive.com/firearms.../msg00867.html

"The U.S. murder rate is 55 per million, according to the FBI. Of those,
70% of murders were committed with firearms; just 14% involved knives or
cutting instruments."

--
Nom=de=Plume


So you could not comprehend what you read, so the JD part had to go.



Could you try again in English... I'm not a foreign speaker.


--
Nom=de=Plume


Not an American reader either.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:51:49 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:30:13 -0800, jps wrote:

I'll be glad
to know that the law forbids her to own a gun. Think that'll stop her
from finding one?

Of course not. But thanks for making the point... when guns are
outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.....

Is that a talking point, Gene?

Couldn't the profuse number of cheap handguns manufactured in the past
several decades account for their easy availability?

Golly, we should certainly thank the NRA and congress for ensuring
everyone can be armed several times over, no matter their mental
capacity or criminal history.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:49:48 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:19 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:

Nope, just stab wounds. Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

Bad thing is, he DIDN'T have a gun.....

Yeah, they should have both had guns. Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

I'll bet neither one of them would have been sorry for having shot the
other one to death. Is that your take, Gene?

My take is that, if she had come at me with an ice pick, she would be
the one with ".40 puncture marks." Once mayhem was in that darling
little 18 year old's mind, we changed gears and the "why" didn't
matter anymore.

A baby faced 18 year old, armed with an ice pick, assaulting a perfect
stranger over some imagined trivial event. Now, THAT is why we have
CCLs......

Yes, a gun vs. an ice pick. And what if she pulled a gun out and
before you recognized the threat, she started firing?

Sure didn't help the cops in Tacoma, even with open carry holsters.

Think it'd be easier to get to your weapon than the trained cops?

You betcha.

On 12/22/09 6:24 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:51:49 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:30:13 -0800, wrote:

I'll be glad
to know that the law forbids her to own a gun. Think that'll stop her
from finding one?

Of course not. But thanks for making the point... when guns are
outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.....

Is that a talking point, Gene?

Couldn't the profuse number of cheap handguns manufactured in the past
several decades account for their easy availability?

Golly, we should certainly thank the NRA and congress for ensuring
everyone can be armed several times over, no matter their mental
capacity or criminal history.


I don't like cheap handguns. I buy fairly expensive ones.... :)

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:46:58 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

So..... you think you might, due to human imperfection.....
uncontrollably fall prey to this sort of violence......?

I wouldn't bother to put myself in that circumstance if I weren't
armed with an ice pick or a gun. I might conduct myself with an eye
towards survival.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

Would you, Gene?

On 12/22/09 6:29 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:46:58 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, wrote:

Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

So..... you think you might, due to human imperfection.....
uncontrollably fall prey to this sort of violence......?

I wouldn't bother to put myself in that circumstance if I weren't
armed with an ice pick or a gun. I might conduct myself with an eye
towards survival.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

Would you, Gene?


I wouldn't fight over a parking space. I figure the other driver would
be a deranged loser like jackoff, herring, little justhate or
loogy...and since I rarely drive around "heeled," I'd have to kick 'em
in the nuts real hard.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:19 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:

Nope, just stab wounds. Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

Bad thing is, he DIDN'T have a gun.....

Yeah, they should have both had guns. Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.


Just seeing this. You saying somebody was trying to rip off a parking
space from somebody else?
That's some heavy stuff.
Think in the old days they called that kind of "perp" a rustler.
No, maybe squatter. Anyway, probably ended in a gunfight.
Well, maybe if they were sodbusters they'd go after each other with
shovels. I didn't even know they made icepicks any more.
Can't remember the last time I saw an ice pick. Probably 40 years.
Never trust a woman who keeps an ice pick or straight razor in her
purse. And if she has a peg leg she's probably even more dangerous.
I heard once that to commit the perfect murder you stab the victim in
the eye with an icicle. Similar to an icepick, but the weapon melts.
Hard to get it to the crime scene in the summer without a good cooler.
BTW, peg legs are usually associated with pirates, who spend a lot of
time on boats.

--Vic



Pfffftttt...

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:30:13 -0800, jps wrote:



Thanks for the entertainment. They still sell ice picks up here. You
can get block ice for coolers and, as you undoubtedly remember, it's
fun to chip off various sized pieces to cool your favorite libation.

When I was a lad, living summers on a farm in the Ozarks, the
highlight of the week was to ride into Doniphan in the bed of my
grand dads' Ford pickup to get block ice from the ice house.
This was in the mid-50's
Wrapped the block in burlap feed bags and got it home with no
noticeable melt. It was for the icebox, as there was no refrigerator.
Don't remember handing the icepick myself, and there was never ice in
what we drank. Only remember drinking water, pulled with a bucket
from the well, and everybody used the dipper that stayed in the
bucket. Cool when the bucket was fresh, mineral laden, and delicious.
Summers were hot there.
Outhouse with the Sears catalog paper dispenser, Saturday bath in the
washtub, run around in your underpants, check your ears and balls for
ticks every night, and wake up most days with a couple spider bites.
The ice man was still making the rounds in Chicago about the same
time, but we had fridge there.
Think I used an icepick once in my life, sometimes later.
Seen maybe 5 different ones in my entire sheltered life.
Seen a lot more packing pullers and mech scribes than icepicks.
Might have bought 20 bags of crushed ice in my entire life for
coolers. You got me thinking I've lived a wasted life.
Does Walmart carry icepicks?
Might pick up a couple while there's still time.
Find a block of ice and a bottle of liquor.
Hey! You trying to make me an alcoholic?

--Vic

On Dec 22, 6:51*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:29:13 -0800, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:46:58 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

So..... you think you might, due to human imperfection.....
uncontrollably fall prey to this sort of violence......?

I wouldn't bother to put myself in that circumstance if I weren't
armed with an ice pick or a gun. *I might conduct myself with an eye
towards survival.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

Would you, Gene?

No, not intentionally..... * but then, again, tripping all over
talking points... you miss THE point. The guy that got stabbed didn't
get the opportunity to make any of those decisions.... did he? *AND,
lacking appropriate tools, he had no way to defuse the situation....
or prevent her from ventilating his kidneys.....

..... if he's lucky, he'll only spend Christmas and New Year's in the
hospital.... he won't die slowly and painfully of a kidney infection.
Little Sweetie, the perp, will likely get a slap on the wrist and go
on to "bigger and better" things.....
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Your tagline says it all, Gene. You're conducting an exercise in
futility.