On 12/22/09 6:24 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:51:49 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:30:13 -0800, wrote:

I'll be glad
to know that the law forbids her to own a gun. Think that'll stop her
from finding one?

Of course not. But thanks for making the point... when guns are
outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.....

Is that a talking point, Gene?

Couldn't the profuse number of cheap handguns manufactured in the past
several decades account for their easy availability?

Golly, we should certainly thank the NRA and congress for ensuring
everyone can be armed several times over, no matter their mental
capacity or criminal history.


I don't like cheap handguns. I buy fairly expensive ones.... :)

"Vic Smith"

Just seeing this. You saying somebody was trying to rip off a parking
space from somebody else?
That's some heavy stuff.
Think in the old days they called that kind of "perp" a rustler.
No, maybe squatter. Anyway, probably ended in a gunfight.
Well, maybe if they were sodbusters they'd go after each other with
shovels. I didn't even know they made icepicks any more.
Can't remember the last time I saw an ice pick. Probably 40 years.
Never trust a woman who keeps an ice pick or straight razor in her
purse. And if she has a peg leg she's probably even more dangerous.
I heard once that to commit the perfect murder you stab the victim in
the eye with an icicle. Similar to an icepick, but the weapon melts.
Hard to get it to the crime scene in the summer without a good cooler.
BTW, peg legs are usually associated with pirates, who spend a lot of
time on boats.

--Vic

I grew up in Las Vegas. As a young man, I parked card on the Strip. Some
of the old wise guys were still around. One was Israel "Icepick Willie"
Willie Alderman. Google reveals some interesting reading on him. I saw him
once, about 1967. He looked mean as hell with blank eyes. He was a very
small fellow, too. One of the only times I ever saw anyone wear a wool
tweed trench coat in Las Vegas.

Steve

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:19 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:

Nope, just stab wounds. Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

Bad thing is, he DIDN'T have a gun.....

Yeah, they should have both had guns. Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.


Just seeing this. You saying somebody was trying to rip off a parking
space from somebody else?
That's some heavy stuff.
Think in the old days they called that kind of "perp" a rustler.
No, maybe squatter. Anyway, probably ended in a gunfight.
Well, maybe if they were sodbusters they'd go after each other with
shovels. I didn't even know they made icepicks any more.
Can't remember the last time I saw an ice pick. Probably 40 years.
Never trust a woman who keeps an ice pick or straight razor in her
purse. And if she has a peg leg she's probably even more dangerous.
I heard once that to commit the perfect murder you stab the victim in
the eye with an icicle. Similar to an icepick, but the weapon melts.
Hard to get it to the crime scene in the summer without a good cooler.
BTW, peg legs are usually associated with pirates, who spend a lot of
time on boats.

--Vic



Pfffftttt...

On Dec 22, 1:10*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:19 -0500, Gene

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:

Nope, just stab wounds. *Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

Bad thing is, he DIDN'T have a gun.....

Yeah, they should have both had guns. *Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

I'll bet neither one of them would have been sorry for having shot the
other one to death. *Is that your take, Gene?

Instead of laying in a hospital with a punctured kidney, he'd be home
with his family, and the taxpayers wouldn't have to pay for the
violent felon's room and board.

Just hose down the parking lot and move on. Next person thinks twice
before attacking with deadly force. Works for me.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:49:48 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:19 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:

Nope, just stab wounds. Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

Bad thing is, he DIDN'T have a gun.....

Yeah, they should have both had guns. Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

I'll bet neither one of them would have been sorry for having shot the
other one to death. Is that your take, Gene?

My take is that, if she had come at me with an ice pick, she would be
the one with ".40 puncture marks." Once mayhem was in that darling
little 18 year old's mind, we changed gears and the "why" didn't
matter anymore.

A baby faced 18 year old, armed with an ice pick, assaulting a perfect
stranger over some imagined trivial event. Now, THAT is why we have
CCLs......

Yes, a gun vs. an ice pick. And what if she pulled a gun out and
before you recognized the threat, she started firing?

Sure didn't help the cops in Tacoma, even with open carry holsters.

Think it'd be easier to get to your weapon than the trained cops?

You betcha.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:49:48 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:19 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:00:08 -0800, jps wrote:

Nope, just stab wounds. Good thing she didn't have a gun, eh?

Bad thing is, he DIDN'T have a gun.....

Yeah, they should have both had guns. Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

I'll bet neither one of them would have been sorry for having shot the
other one to death. Is that your take, Gene?

My take is that, if she had come at me with an ice pick, she would be
the one with ".40 puncture marks." Once mayhem was in that darling
little 18 year old's mind, we changed gears and the "why" didn't
matter anymore.

A baby faced 18 year old, armed with an ice pick, assaulting a perfect
stranger over some imagined trivial event. Now, THAT is why we have
CCLs......

Yes, a gun vs. an ice pick. And what if she pulled a gun out and
before you recognized the threat, she started firing?

She might have won that one too...

Sure didn't help the cops in Tacoma, even with open carry holsters.

Think it'd be easier to get to your weapon than the trained cops?

You betcha.

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:46:58 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

So..... you think you might, due to human imperfection.....
uncontrollably fall prey to this sort of violence......?

I wouldn't bother to put myself in that circumstance if I weren't
armed with an ice pick or a gun. I might conduct myself with an eye
towards survival.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

Would you, Gene?

On 12/22/09 6:29 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:46:58 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, wrote:

Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

So..... you think you might, due to human imperfection.....
uncontrollably fall prey to this sort of violence......?

I wouldn't bother to put myself in that circumstance if I weren't
armed with an ice pick or a gun. I might conduct myself with an eye
towards survival.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

Would you, Gene?


I wouldn't fight over a parking space. I figure the other driver would
be a deranged loser like jackoff, herring, little justhate or
loogy...and since I rarely drive around "heeled," I'd have to kick 'em
in the nuts real hard.

On Dec 22, 6:51*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:29:13 -0800, jps wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:46:58 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:10:15 -0800, jps wrote:

Because a parking space is
worth that much and humans are *completely* in charge of their
emotions.

So..... you think you might, due to human imperfection.....
uncontrollably fall prey to this sort of violence......?

I wouldn't bother to put myself in that circumstance if I weren't
armed with an ice pick or a gun. *I might conduct myself with an eye
towards survival.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

Would you, Gene?

No, not intentionally..... * but then, again, tripping all over
talking points... you miss THE point. The guy that got stabbed didn't
get the opportunity to make any of those decisions.... did he? *AND,
lacking appropriate tools, he had no way to defuse the situation....
or prevent her from ventilating his kidneys.....

..... if he's lucky, he'll only spend Christmas and New Year's in the
hospital.... he won't die slowly and painfully of a kidney infection.
Little Sweetie, the perp, will likely get a slap on the wrist and go
on to "bigger and better" things.....
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Your tagline says it all, Gene. You're conducting an exercise in
futility.

If someone stole my parking space I'd been waiting for I'd likely give
'em the salute but I seriously doubt I'd get out to argue with them or
pull a gun or an ice pick.

A skinny old fart once took my parking space. He saw me waiting, and slid
in with a small car like in Fried Green Tomatoes. He got out. I got out of
my car, but stood in the open door.

"You're a brave man", I said.

"Why's that?" he asked.

"You just stole my parking space, and now you're going to leave me here with
your car." I got in and drove to another space. He was standing by his
car. I went in and got a few items, about ten minutes. When I came out, he
was still standing by his car. As I drove off, I could still see him
standing next to his car.

At least I made him think about it.

Steve