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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
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...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

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Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...

--
Nom=de=Plume


That is the only reason there is a surplus the first couple years. After
that it is pure deficit spending.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10
years.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...

--
Nom=de=Plume


That is the only reason there is a surplus the first couple years. After
that it is pure deficit spending.



You're just plain wrong. Perhaps you should "stop communicating" with me.


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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:12:34 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10
years.

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Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...


The problem is the savings will only cover a short period of the
spending, then it is pure deficit. The other problem is CBO made it's
projections based on cuts to Medicare that will never happen.
Medicare is upside down right now and will be broke in a few years,
even without the cuts. Nobody is going to cut actual spending, they
are just cutting taxes and that has been going on for a decade. That
tiny "millionaires" tax is not really going to raise that much money.
Real millionaires know enough to get paid in ways that do not show up
on a W2. That is why Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his
secretary.


There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of
savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the notion
that the Medicare cuts won't happen?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/

Suddenly, you're the tax expert?


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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:44:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of
savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the
notion
that the Medicare cuts won't happen?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/

Suddenly, you're the tax expert?


No I just know how scared of old people the politicians are.

They are not going to cut Medicare in any real sense.
You are also ignoring the spending they are spinning off to the
states, well every state but Nebraska.


I don't think "old people" should be discounted. I think they should be
honored. They deserve (most of them) to live out their lives with some
dignity.

You're right. They're not going to cut the entitlements. They're going after
fraud, waste, and abuse.

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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:39:07 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:44:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of
savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the
notion
that the Medicare cuts won't happen?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/

Suddenly, you're the tax expert?


No I just know how scared of old people the politicians are.

They are not going to cut Medicare in any real sense.
You are also ignoring the spending they are spinning off to the
states, well every state but Nebraska.


I don't think "old people" should be discounted. I think they should be
honored. They deserve (most of them) to live out their lives with some
dignity.

You're right. They're not going to cut the entitlements. They're going after
fraud, waste, and abuse.

The last president who had any success with that was Eisenhower.

I agree there is plenty of fraud waste and abuse in Medicare. Miami,
right across the swamp from me is ground zero for that.
The problem is, when you streamline administration and do what you can
to speed up payments you create loopholes a crook can drive a truck
through. One of the reasons insurance companies spend more for
administration is they spend more time processing claims and
investigating for fraud.
When they looked into the Miami fraud cases, what they found was the
government was paying the bill, then checking to see if it was valid.
By the time they figured out they were robbed, the crook was long
gone, packed up and moved down the road to scam them again under a
different name.

Personally I think we should have an exception to the "cruel and
unusual punishment" ban for people who steal from the government ;-)

You mean people who steal back?