On 12/21/09 2:53 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleZ_adncl9tfX9X7LWnZ2dnUVZ_j5i4p2d@giganews. com,
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Loogypicker wrote:
On Dec 21, 10:02 am, wrote:
On Dec 21, 9:53 am, John wrote:





...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.
"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.
Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."
And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.
Democratic pigs at the trough. Disgusting.- Hide quoted text -

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The pigs at the trough are the republicans who held out until their
yes vote was bought by the pork they are inserting in healthcare
reform.


And which Republicans voted yes? You are not too well informed.

Booger isn't detailed oriented.



One gets one's car "detailed," not one's orientation.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:01:23 -0500, wrote:



This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.

You just haven't been keeping up.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...HXiYAD9CO0VEO0
"SEN. BILL NELSON, D-FLA., pushed a provision he said will let about
800,000 Florida seniors enrolled in private Medicare Advantage plans
keep their extra benefits. It also helps seniors in a handful of other
states. Elsewhere, Medicare Advantage patients risk losing benefits
because the private plans are a major target of planned cuts to
Medicare."

This bill isn't even done, and all the scaremongers are out in full
force.
If you're worried about the budget, just buy some gold from Glen Beck.
You'll be in good shape then.
Nobody knows what will be in the final bill - if one passes.
The minimums about pre-existing conditions and recision are landmark
legislation in themselves.
Anyway, most of what you hear about "favors" doesn't mean squat.
As soon as any health-care "favor" goes into effect for a state, all
the other Senators will quickly put a bill together to get the same
bennies for their state. That's how they get re-elected.
Saw a couple Senators say that on one of the talking head shows.
But you still have so-called "political experts" saying otherwise.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
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...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

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Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

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Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...

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Nom=de=Plume


That is the only reason there is a surplus the first couple years. After
that it is pure deficit spending.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10
years.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...

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Nom=de=Plume


That is the only reason there is a surplus the first couple years. After
that it is pure deficit spending.



You're just plain wrong. Perhaps you should "stop communicating" with me.


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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:12:34 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10
years.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Basically because the Federal Government will collect money for a couple
years before paying it out.

So, if I build up my savings before I spend it, that's a bad thing. Could
perhaps find something you actually know about to type about...


The problem is the savings will only cover a short period of the
spending, then it is pure deficit. The other problem is CBO made it's
projections based on cuts to Medicare that will never happen.
Medicare is upside down right now and will be broke in a few years,
even without the cuts. Nobody is going to cut actual spending, they
are just cutting taxes and that has been going on for a decade. That
tiny "millionaires" tax is not really going to raise that much money.
Real millionaires know enough to get paid in ways that do not show up
on a W2. That is why Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his
secretary.


There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of
savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the notion
that the Medicare cuts won't happen?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/

Suddenly, you're the tax expert?


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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:44:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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There's no short period of savings. The CBO is projecting 10 years of
savings, and beyond that even more savings. Where are you getting the
notion
that the Medicare cuts won't happen?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MedicareFactSheetFinal/

Suddenly, you're the tax expert?


No I just know how scared of old people the politicians are.

They are not going to cut Medicare in any real sense.
You are also ignoring the spending they are spinning off to the
states, well every state but Nebraska.


I don't think "old people" should be discounted. I think they should be
honored. They deserve (most of them) to live out their lives with some
dignity.

You're right. They're not going to cut the entitlements. They're going after
fraud, waste, and abuse.

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:09:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:53:16 -0500, John H
wrote:

...because a few Dems showed their true colors. For enough money they
could be bought. Thankfully, Olympia Snowe showed a little bit of
integrity.

"Reid cut numerous last-minute deals to get the votes he needed and
powerful Democrats also inserted home-state provisions in a 383-page
package of amendments Reid filed this weekend to the 2,074-page bill.

Among other items, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus,
D-Mont., included a provision allowing residents of the town of Libby,
Mont., who are suffering asbestos-related illnesses from a mining
operation to get Medicare benefits. Nelson won a list of benefits for
Nebraska including a commitment for the federal government to pick up
the full tab of an expansion of Medicaid. And Sen. Christopher Dodd,
D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election, inserted a $100 million
item for construction of a university hospital that his spokesman said
he hopes to claim for the University of Connecticut."

And Nelson said he couldn't be bought. Right.

http://tinyurl.com/yl3wxz7

They didn't really pass anything. The vote last night just cut off the
debate. (it was simply a cloture vote)
It does show that the senate has the votes when the house finds
something they can agree to.

We have yet to see if house Democrats will go along with a bill that
has no public option and some other things they want.

This is certainly a budget buster bill, no matter what the house does.
I just wish my Nelson had the juice of the Nebraska one. Lee County
says Medicaid will be costing us another 1.2 million. I guess another
fire house will have to close.


Nope. According to the CBO it'll save about $120B in the first 10 years.

That all depends on which CBO study you are talking about and which
assumptions are true. They are planning on cuts to Medicare that will
never happen for starters. The other thing is ther feds are dumping
some of this cost off to states so it is not on the federal budget.

I am still not convinced any of this will actually make it to the
president's desk. They still have to talk the house into the bill the
senate came up with and the reality is the senate hasn't really passed
the bill themselves yet. The vote the other night was just to cut off
debate. All it will take is for one democrat to waver and we could be
right back at looking for 60 again.
That is the reason the republicans delayed the vote. The country will
get 3 days to actually read this bill and call their senators.
It will probably still get passed in the senate but the house has big
changes to accept from what they passed.


Yes, it depends on the final bill, but to claim that it'll increase costs is
nuts. It won't. Everyone relies on the CBO, yet the Republicans just ignore
it when it suits them. They're delaying it because they can't accept that
there's a need for action. They're obstructionists who don't give a damn
about the people they serve.

Certainly, the Democrats have their own problems, but that doesn't excuse
the Republicans behavior, which is despicable.

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