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To my liberal friends...
On Dec 16, 8:20*pm, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:47:35 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Being *civil is nice. i soulnd't have a done like the elderly lady, but i probably would have at least invited you and your family ( Like I do at my home congregation) *to our annual Christmas dinner. * Regionally, again, making a loud display in public gets the perp church brownie points and (unless one doesn't give a damn) gives embarrassing righteous correction to the transgressor. I just kept my mouth shut. There are some worthwhile passages in the Bible... "Go from the presence of a foolish [wo]man, when thou perceivest not in h[er] the lips of knowledge." Proverbs 14:7 Just show up and eat and enjoy! Is inadequate. *One must be assimilated into the body..... resistance is futile. (show up or I'll yell louder.....) LOL! Not with me. but I know what you mean, I've seen it before. But anyhow... here's one of my favorites. "Withdraw thy foot from thy neighbour's house; lest he be weary of thee, and so hate thee." (Prov. 25:17 hey I'm going to take advantage of USNET. Gene, I know it's a bit far for you but, after services this Sunday we are having our congregations Christmas dinner. You and yours are welcome to come eat with us. Stay as long as you want and leave when you like. Just that simple. Hey! Same goes for anybody else. And I promise, this year I won't be handing out snakes like last year! |
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#72
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To my liberal friends...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:04:27 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:04:56 -0500, John H wrote: So all those children to which you refer aren't from 'around here', i.e. around you. How literally do you want to take this? The folks in my immediate neighborhood (houses I could see from my roof) go to that church. Three miles to the east of me is a Primitive Baptist Church, three miles to the west is some sort of "independent" Pentecostal church. Those kids won't be doing Christmas. Let me give you the numbers. This county covers 366 sq. miles, 6 miles of that is water, so we have a total of 360 sq. miles of land that is "potentially" habitable, though much of that is forested or farmed land. There are at least 162 recorded congregations (the "independents probably won't be counted). So, every church gets their 2.6 sq. miles of followers. Obviously, that isn't terribly accurate, because the big churches get more land.... leaving the small churches even smaller patches of land to draw from. Small numbers make for isolationism and that makes for some pretty weird, uh, "interpretations" of scripture... Do you maybe begin to see why this is called the Bible belt? Maybe this place isn't like DC? I spent a LOT of time in Lanham and, frankly, I didn't see this stuff, either. Maybe you've never BEEN there? Ever been to a church where music was considered the devil's work? Even been to a church where they don't pass a collection plate, but palm the "tithe" to the pastor on the way out? Have you ever even *heard* of shaped notes, or know why they are necessary? Ever been *expected* to call the folks in your church "brother" or "sister"? Have you ever been told that a member of the congregation is to be shunned until the Pastor says otherwise? Maybe you think these are things that happened "a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away." Nope, seen all of these things with my own eyes. Different, now? Nope... I've got similar horror stories for when my son was in a Baptist School...... I know you would like things to fit neatly into that tidy box.... fact is, they don't. Very nicely explained. My answer to most of your questions, above, is 'no'. And, although it would be great if everything, including Iran's nuclear ambitions and the belief the country will go bankrupt 'without' government health care, fit in a nice little box, I understand that it doesn't. I've been associated with only a few individuals from the 'radical' Christian organizations. I've seen no reason to get as familiar with them as you are. When the hard-core Bible thumpers come banging at my door and persistently refuse to get the message, I ask them two questions: Do they believe, literally, in Noahs Ark? When they answer in the affirmative, I ask them who cleaned up all the crap in the bottom. That works. -- John H |
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#73
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To my liberal friends...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:05:37 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:08:00 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:52:51 -0500, Gene wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:41:51 -0500, John H wrote: 'cept maybe Harry, has been "in your face" Actually, no. I always assumed Harry was Jewish, but I don't know. I went to Grammar school and Junior High with a lot of Jews. I made some good trades... I didn't like cookies and they didn't like matza. You wouldn't have liked them.... they had "Easter Jokes..." You made the accusation of us being 'in your face'. I didn't think you really had an example of same. Harry is probably the closest you could come to someone pushing for/against behavior based on religious issues. But maybe you missed it. No... on re-reading.... maybe I took it too literally. Maybe you didn't me *my* face.... OK. That's better. If it ever seems like I'm trying to push my religion in your face, let me know. "Happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!" I like it! Although, when spoken out loud, it does sound like something I'd say right before delivering a Karate chop to the throat. :) -- John H |
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#74
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To my liberal friends...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:16:03 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:02:03 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:39:03 -0500, Gene wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:24:01 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:08:10 -0500, Gene wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c" wrote: On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H wrote: Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from the season, must really **** off the atheists. Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of idolatrous worship.... ... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush. -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. *-Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch THEM saying, "Merry Christmas." Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........ Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it.... Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point! Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real people: http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d Are those the folks living around you? Depends.... Do you think those folks would think Katrina is God's punishment on a Immoral and Godless America? Do you think those folks would think 911 is God's punishment on a Immoral and Godless America? Do you think those folks would think H1N1 is Gods punishment on a Immoral and Godless America? If so, yeah, they might be! I've overheard all three of those gems in the last week or so.... I'd like to think those folks at GodHatesAmerica are total fringe nuts, and to many folks they are. However, here in the rural areas of the Bible Belt, I hear too much sympathy for them (or, actually, their dogma) among local folks to dismiss the notion out of hand. How much of this could you agree to? How much could you use persuasively, even if you *didn't* believe it? http://www.beastobama.com/ Sounds to me like you're hanging with the wrong crowd. I live here in DC. Yet I've not heard any of those comments you're quoting. Of course, I don't go looking for 'God Hates America' sites to show how bad Christians can be. No, I don't go to your websites. But, if they give you a charge, have at it. I doubt that you *would* see that in DC, except at the C Street Townhouse.... which are representatives (literally) of the folks I'm talking about.... I believe you, but I'll pass. -- Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year! John H |
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#75
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To my liberal friends...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:38:58 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Dec 16, 8:20*pm, Gene wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:47:35 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: Being *civil is nice. i soulnd't have a done like the elderly lady, but i probably would have at least invited you and your family ( Like I do at my home congregation) *to our annual Christmas dinner. * Regionally, again, making a loud display in public gets the perp church brownie points and (unless one doesn't give a damn) gives embarrassing righteous correction to the transgressor. I just kept my mouth shut. There are some worthwhile passages in the Bible... "Go from the presence of a foolish [wo]man, when thou perceivest not in h[er] the lips of knowledge." Proverbs 14:7 Just show up and eat and enjoy! Is inadequate. *One must be assimilated into the body..... resistance is futile. (show up or I'll yell louder.....) LOL! Not with me. but I know what you mean, I've seen it before. But anyhow... here's one of my favorites. "Withdraw thy foot from thy neighbour's house; lest he be weary of thee, and so hate thee." (Prov. 25:17 hey I'm going to take advantage of USNET. Gene, I know it's a bit far for you but, after services this Sunday we are having our congregations Christmas dinner. You and yours are welcome to come eat with us. Stay as long as you want and leave when you like. Just that simple. Hey! Same goes for anybody else. And I promise, this year I won't be handing out snakes like last year! Damn, I've already got something planned. That would have made a nice motorcycle ride! -- Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year! John H |
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#76
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To my liberal friends...
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:05:37 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:08:00 -0500, John H wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:52:51 -0500, Gene wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:41:51 -0500, John H wrote: 'cept maybe Harry, has been "in your face" Actually, no. I always assumed Harry was Jewish, but I don't know. I went to Grammar school and Junior High with a lot of Jews. I made some good trades... I didn't like cookies and they didn't like matza. You wouldn't have liked them.... they had "Easter Jokes..." You made the accusation of us being 'in your face'. I didn't think you really had an example of same. Harry is probably the closest you could come to someone pushing for/against behavior based on religious issues. But maybe you missed it. No... on re-reading.... maybe I took it too literally. Maybe you didn't me *my* face.... PS. I like "Happy Chrismahanukwanzakah!" so much I'm borrowing part of it. -- Have a Blessed Chrismahanukwanzakah and a Spectacular New Year! John H |
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#77
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To my liberal friends...
On Dec 16, 5:28*pm, John H wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:53:58 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote: Loogypicker wrote: On Dec 16, 10:55 am, I am Tosk wrote: In article b120cbbf-39a0-4876-96de-4263f1f761f3 @g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 6:45 pm, Gene wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H wrote: Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from the season, must really **** off the atheists. Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of idolatrous worship.... ... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush. -- It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance. *-Thomas Sowell Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with Christianity. You feel that way because you see Christmas as a tree and presents. You are not qualified to judge Christians on this particular issue really, your rhetoric along with Harry and Gene make clear that you don't understand. Cool, no problem, next why don't you three old white guys * get together and solve that whole reproductive rights issue snerk- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How do you purport to know about whether or not I'm qualified to remark on this or any other issue? As a matter of fact, my wife's first cousin, Fr. Bryan yes, a priest, and also a REAL Dr. of Clinical Psychology has had numerous discussions with me about this very topic. Including the pagan aspect, and how the modern way of celebrating has very little to do with Christianity. Hell, nobody even knows when Jesus was born. December 25th? In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast. And you purport that these are "your" words: "Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast." Try Googling: Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast. That's one of Harry's favorite tricks. What a shame. (...and sham) -- John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - a "sham"? Where in hell did I say that those were my words? Where did I even imply such? I won't expect an apology, because you and Harry never man up and do such. |
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To my liberal friends...
In article ab15747b-ec1f-4790-b682-
, says... AN ATHEIST IN THE WOODS An atheist was walking through the woods. 'What majestic trees! 'What powerful rivers! 'What beautiful animals! He said to himself. As he was walking alongside the river,he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.. He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out, 'Oh my God!' Time Stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky.. 'You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident.' 'Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer? The atheist looked directly into the light, 'It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the BEAR a Christian'? 'Very well,' said the voice. The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke: 'Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen.' Nice and clean, just what I would expect from you.. I wonder if "those folks" will be offended  |
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