On Dec 15, 7:40*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:45:37 -0500, Gene

wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

I doubt there are any Christians who are ****ed off that other
Christians get joy from the Christmas season.

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

With what broad brush did I paint Christians? I've no problem with the
pagan aspects of Christmas ****ing off some Christians. Just remember
that the spiritual/religious aspects of Christmas are a violation of
everything that is politically correct. Maybe the fact that a Nativity
Scene commemorating the birth of Jesus is illegal to display in most
places is ****ing some of them off also.

Each to his own. If you get no joy from the Christmas season, and that
makes you happy, then more power to you.

I'd love to meet a kid that wouldn't want a present if given to
him/her.
--

John H

Is it your contention that only christian children get joy from
Christmas?

On Dec 15, 7:50*pm, "*e#c" wrote:
On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:





On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........- Hide quoted text -

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Or christians. Or Buddhists, Or space aliens.

On Dec 16, 7:08*am, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk



wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real
people:http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Phelps and his house of Zealot lunes?

Poor view of Christianity there....

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:34:41 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:40:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

You present this site as proof that so many Christians abhor
Christmas? Do you believe it does so?

No.... just a little background.... since it seems you don't get out
much....

Ah, now I understand. Not pertinent, but supports some anti-Christmas
position you have?

Good for you. Hope you're getting some joy from the season.
--

John H

On 12/16/09 8:37 AM, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

You must not get out much, either....

Visit your local:

Jehovah's Witness
Most Church of Christ
Many "Messianic Jews"
Amish
some Mennonites
Many Church of God (all of them, at one time)

Some Seventh Day Adventists... some celebrate Christmas, some don't,
and some celebrate Christmas in months OTHER than Dec.
other Mennonites (celebrate, but "buy nothing Christmas")

Those are the ones that come to mind, now. There are more, I'm
sure....

While you are at it, you could save this list and have the same
conversation about Easter, but that doesn't seem to have developed as
a hot button, yet. Maybe the first merchandiser that offers "Happy
Bunny Day" will create as great a furor as the one offering "Happy
Holidays."

The guy in the office next to me is a Baptist Minister and this link
gives him apoplexy... but I offer it in the Happiest Holiday spirit to
all...... even the grumpy ones.... hope I haven't left anyone out...
http://tinyurl.com/ysyxn8



PS
Rhetorical food for thought:

Did Jesus ever celebrate Christmas? Either way, would he do so, today?



Non-rhetorical response:

Jesus might have celebrated a birthday...then and now...but certainly
not a non-Jewish holiday such as Christmas.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

Me neither. But Gene has many living right around his house. Do you
reckon he polls the neighbors to see which are Christians, which
prohibit anything to do with Christmas, which don't say "Merry
Christmas", and so on.

Must be hard to get all those questions answered.

--

John H

In article b120cbbf-39a0-4876-96de-4263f1f761f3
@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Gene, I don't think most people here get the fact that the way we
celebrate Christmas in modern times has just about NOTHING to do with
Christianity.

You feel that way because you see Christmas as a tree and presents. You
are not qualified to judge Christians on this particular issue really,
your rhetoric along with Harry and Gene make clear that you don't
understand. Cool, no problem, next why don't you three old white guys
get together and solve that whole reproductive rights issue snerk

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real
people:
http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d

Give me a break, Fringe ****?

In article eb58c01d-8947-4011-a0b6-cd410b9fcbd2
@t42g2000vba.googlegroups.com, says...

On Dec 16, 7:08*am, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:30:04 -0500, I am Tosk



wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:50:10 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 15, 6:45*pm, Gene wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... *there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. *And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."

Sounds like the invading Muslims to me........

Actually, not all that dissimilar, once you think about it....

Pfffftttt, it's made up... But it sure makes for a good talking point!

Offered without comment, for your consideration, these very real
people:http://tinyurl.com/6pu7d
--
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are
enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
*-Thomas Sowell

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
*http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

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Phelps and his house of Zealot lunes?

Poor view of Christianity there....

The Daily Kos told them it was mainstream thinking... This is crazy, I
don't put all liberals with Farrakhan (who has a lot more influence on
society than these guys by the way)...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:56:41 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:56:01 -0500, I am Tosk
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:59:12 -0500, John H
wrote:

Christmas, and the fact that so many people get so much enjoyment from
the season, must really **** off the atheists.

Not only that.... it really ****es off a lot of Christians, because
they know it is celebrating a Pagan holiday with a ton of Pagan
trappings.... and they will do anything to prevent being guilty of
idolatrous worship....

... there are a lot of Christian children around here that will get no
presents and wouldn't want them, if they did.... there are Christian
homes with absolute prohibitions against anything associated with
Christmas.... no trees, no 12 days, no Yule log, no parades, no
exchanging gifts, no ornaments, no mistletoe, no green, no red, no
presents, no Santa, and *certainly* no eggnog. And you'll NEVER catch
THEM saying, "Merry Christmas."
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm

Don't be so quick to paint all Christians with that broad brush.

Wow, and in my 50 years I have never met one, much less heard of one
trying to shut down my celebration... hummmmmm...

Me neither. But Gene has many living right around his house. Do you
reckon he polls the neighbors to see which are Christians, which
prohibit anything to do with Christmas, which don't say "Merry
Christmas", and so on.

Must be hard to get all those questions answered.

Nah, it is quite easy. I have in-laws that constantly want to *save*
me with their particular twist on "the way the truth and the light." I
don't have to ask to get questions answered.... you folks

There it is, the "you folks"... Seems it's not "us folks" who are the
problem, it's "your" family. Nobody pushes it around here to my family
of myself, even my dad's Mormon friends. Guess you just need to get some
friends who respect you more... Or like here, maybe you start in on it
and they just finish the conversation??

are usually
pretty "in your face" about what your Lord and God demandeth other
folks shall know and follow.

I have a tree and mistletoe, they don't.... go figure.....

Oh, yeah, I forgot.... some of the Quakers.... locally, the Quaker
college doesn't even have an American flag on campus! But I've got one
of those!

Have a Happy Holiday!