On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:25:33 -0500, lil abner wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
Took one of the 23000 BTU heaters out to the garage last night and
fired it up. Burned clean and hot. It was 18 F.
Good to warm your hands only.
If you're 18" away from it you feel nothing except 18 F.
Problem is the heat goes straight up from the heater top and past the
rafters and out the roof vent.
Tomorrow I'm going to climb up on the rafters and block the roof vent.
We'll fire up both the kerosene heaters and do the alternator and
water pump on the Grand Am. See if the garage warms up a bit.
Supposed to be about 30 F tomorrow.
I'll bring a thermometer out there to see what's really happening.
Just having that flame burning and putting your hands over it make you
feel warmer, but I don't think it did a damn thing to warm up the
garage. Have to measure that.
Garage isn't real drafty, but there's no insulation.
These heaters might provide only hand-warming and psychological
comfort only out there. We'll see.
Anyway, I want them for the house in case of a power outage, so
they still have that value regardless of what they do in the garage.

--Vic
Put an inexpensive box fan in front of the heater pointing away.

Good idea. I'll tinker with that.

--Vic

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:32:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Put an inexpensive box fan in front of the heater pointing away.

Good idea. I'll tinker with that.

A Florida type ceiling fan to bring the heat back down might help
also. I think what would help most however is one or more suspended
infrared electric heaters but you'll need a heavy duty 220 volt
circuit for them.

http://www.professionalequipment.com/dayton-electric-infrared-heater-suspended-indoor-1ucr7/industrial-heaters/?source=pegs

or

http://tinyurl.com/yej9nsk

A wood stove might be cheapest of all. The old pot bellied variety
really throw off a lot of heat.

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:57:48 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:32:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

Put an inexpensive box fan in front of the heater pointing away.

Good idea. I'll tinker with that.

A Florida type ceiling fan to bring the heat back down might help
also. I think what would help most however is one or more suspended
infrared electric heaters but you'll need a heavy duty 220 volt
circuit for them.

http://www.professionalequipment.com/dayton-electric-infrared-heater-suspended-indoor-1ucr7/industrial-heaters/?source=pegs

or

http://tinyurl.com/yej9nsk

A wood stove might be cheapest of all. The old pot bellied variety
really throw off a lot of heat.

I might get the wires for 240 fished to the garage next year.
And some conduit and outlets run in there too.
Mostly because I want a good 240 air compressor in there.
I was thinking about trying the fan somebody suggested, and my kid
wanted to go there today and try putting a box fan up by the rafters.
I told him to hold on, there's no rush.
I have "Florida type" ceiling fans in every room here, except the
living room, and a nice 5 footer with lighting I bought 8 or 9 years
ago to put in the living room, still in the unopened box.
Really wanted the overhead lighting in the fan most, but the ceiling
fans are fantastic for evening out temps.
Even got the Romex, 100 foot roll, hangers, etc., since there is no
ceiling fixture there. Just have to crawl up in the attic with boards
to put over the joists so I don't go crashing through a ceiling, cut a
hole in the ceiling, hang it and wire it. Been saying that for 8 or 9
years.
Been a little slow on that.
I figure I'm never going to do it, so maybe I'll get that done when I
get the 240 done for the garage, and some circuit splitting done for
the house. I could do it, but having seen pros work, I know they are
ten times faster. Besides, I won't get zapped if they do it.
My daughter's near-fiance is an electric contractor, so I better act
before they break up.
He'll probably run conduit up there and take the Romex off my hands
for something else. Not sure. The Romex is ok codewise, but I only
got it because I didn't have a conduit bender. He has plenty.
Hope Romex doesn't go bad from sitting around. Didn't put any Stabil
in it.
Anyway, unless I insulate the garage it's going to be hard to heat it,
no matter what I use. Don't want to insulate it.
I think the tarp tent will work out.
Not heating the garage, just the tent.

--Vic

On Dec 12, 9:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:32:01 -0600, Vic Smith

wrote:
Put an inexpensive box fan in front of the heater pointing away.

Good idea. *I'll tinker with that.

A Florida type ceiling fan to bring the heat back down might help
also. * I think what would help most however is one or more suspended
infrared electric heaters but you'll need a heavy duty 220 volt
circuit for them.

http://www.professionalequipment.com/dayton-electric-infrared-heater-...

or

http://tinyurl.com/yej9nsk

A wood stove might be cheapest of all. *The old pot bellied variety
really throw off a lot of heat.

Here's the cheap wood stove route. I hope the link works.

http://www.google.com/products?clien...ed=0CCEQrQQwAA

I have one in my barn. it's great when tinkering out there on an
evening. I throw sticks and limbs in there that I have to pick up out
of the yard anyhow.

On Dec 13, 5:14*pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 12, 9:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:





On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:32:01 -0600, Vic Smith

wrote:
Put an inexpensive box fan in front of the heater pointing away.

Good idea. *I'll tinker with that.

A Florida type ceiling fan to bring the heat back down might help
also. * I think what would help most however is one or more suspended
infrared electric heaters but you'll need a heavy duty 220 volt
circuit for them.

http://www.professionalequipment.com/dayton-electric-infrared-heater-....

or

http://tinyurl.com/yej9nsk

A wood stove might be cheapest of all. *The old pot bellied variety
really throw off a lot of heat.

Here's the cheap wood stove route. I hope the link works.

http://www.google.com/products?clien....mozilla:en-US....

I have one in my barn. it's great when tinkering out there on an
evening. I throw sticks and limbs in there that I have to pick up out
of the yard anyhow.- Hide quoted text -

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Been thinking about one of those, my question is how long does the
barrel last before it rusts away?

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On Dec 12, 9:57 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:32:01 -0600, Vic Smith

wrote:
Put an inexpensive box fan in front of the heater pointing away.

Good idea. I'll tinker with that.

A Florida type ceiling fan to bring the heat back down might help
also. I think what would help most however is one or more suspended
infrared electric heaters but you'll need a heavy duty 220 volt
circuit for them.

http://www.professionalequipment.com/dayton-electric-infrared-heater-...

or

http://tinyurl.com/yej9nsk

A wood stove might be cheapest of all. The old pot bellied variety
really throw off a lot of heat.

Here's the cheap wood stove route. I hope the link works.

http://www.google.com/products?clien...ed=0CCEQrQQwAA

I have one in my barn. it's great when tinkering out there on an
evening. I throw sticks and limbs in there that I have to pick up out
of the yard anyhow.

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Wow. That brings back some old memories.
When I was 11-12, a groups of us kids built a log cabin that was about 10x10
on State land in the AZ Rocky Mtns where I was born and grew up.
One of the boys got hold of an old drum and stove pipe and built a wood
stove. That one was verticle, set on cinder blocks and got the little cabin
so hot we couldn't stay inside.