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A school counselor suffering an apparent heart attack died in a
Philadelphia emergency room after waiting nearly 80 minutes for help -
and a trio of homeless drug addicts nearby stole his watch instead of
seeking aid, police said.

Joaquin Rivera, 63, died before seeing a triage nurse at Atria
Health's Frankford Campus over the weekend, police said.

Rivera, a musician and activist in the city's Latino community, had
spent more than 30 years working as a bilingual counselor at an
inner-city high school.

"We're all destroyed. A guy like that, for him to leave us the way
that he did - and with what happened to him - everybody's destroyed,"
said Jesse Bermudez, a friend and fellow musician.

Rivera's cruel end was captured on security videotape, much like the
June 2008 death of Esmin Green, who died on a hospital floor as
staffers at Kings County Hospital Center in Brooklyn ignored her.
Green's family recently settled a lawsuit against the city for $2
million.

Rivera had walked to the Northeast Philadelphia hospital late Saturday
from his home a few blocks away after pain started shooting down his
right side. He registered at 10:45 p.m. and took a seat, chatting for
about 20 minutes with two men and a woman nearby.

Based on witness accounts, police believe Rivera passed out about an
hour later. Security video then shows one of the men steal his watch
and briefly pass it to the other.

"There's no resistance from Mr. Rivera at all, which is why we believe
he's probably dead. There's no stirring from him," said Capt. Jack
McGinnis, a city detective.

The second suspect is then seen by doctors, and a security guard
arrives to ask his sleeping companions to leave. A witness first
reports that Rivera may be dead.

At 12:04 a.m., he is pronounced dead.

"You would hope he would have died with dignity," McGinnis said.

Aria Health offered condolences to the family Tuesday but otherwise
declined comment, citing patient confidentiality and the pending
criminal case.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:41:56 -0800, jps wrote:


A school counselor suffering an apparent heart attack died in a
Philadelphia emergency room after waiting nearly 80 minutes for help -
and a trio of homeless drug addicts nearby stole his watch instead of
seeking aid, police said.

Joaquin Rivera, 63, died before seeing a triage nurse at Atria
Health's Frankford Campus over the weekend, police said.

Rivera, a musician and activist in the city's Latino community, had
spent more than 30 years working as a bilingual counselor at an
inner-city high school.

"We're all destroyed. A guy like that, for him to leave us the way
that he did - and with what happened to him - everybody's destroyed,"
said Jesse Bermudez, a friend and fellow musician.

Rivera's cruel end was captured on security videotape, much like the
June 2008 death of Esmin Green, who died on a hospital floor as
staffers at Kings County Hospital Center in Brooklyn ignored her.
Green's family recently settled a lawsuit against the city for $2
million.

Rivera had walked to the Northeast Philadelphia hospital late Saturday
from his home a few blocks away after pain started shooting down his
right side. He registered at 10:45 p.m. and took a seat, chatting for
about 20 minutes with two men and a woman nearby.

Based on witness accounts, police believe Rivera passed out about an
hour later. Security video then shows one of the men steal his watch
and briefly pass it to the other.

"There's no resistance from Mr. Rivera at all, which is why we believe
he's probably dead. There's no stirring from him," said Capt. Jack
McGinnis, a city detective.

The second suspect is then seen by doctors, and a security guard
arrives to ask his sleeping companions to leave. A witness first
reports that Rivera may be dead.

At 12:04 a.m., he is pronounced dead.

"You would hope he would have died with dignity," McGinnis said.

Aria Health offered condolences to the family Tuesday but otherwise
declined comment, citing patient confidentiality and the pending
criminal case.

He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:41:56 -0800, jps wrote:


A school counselor suffering an apparent heart attack died in a
Philadelphia emergency room after waiting nearly 80 minutes for help -
and a trio of homeless drug addicts nearby stole his watch instead of
seeking aid, police said.

Joaquin Rivera, 63, died before seeing a triage nurse at Atria
Health's Frankford Campus over the weekend, police said.

Rivera, a musician and activist in the city's Latino community, had
spent more than 30 years working as a bilingual counselor at an
inner-city high school.

"We're all destroyed. A guy like that, for him to leave us the way
that he did - and with what happened to him - everybody's destroyed,"
said Jesse Bermudez, a friend and fellow musician.

Rivera's cruel end was captured on security videotape, much like the
June 2008 death of Esmin Green, who died on a hospital floor as
staffers at Kings County Hospital Center in Brooklyn ignored her.
Green's family recently settled a lawsuit against the city for $2
million.

Rivera had walked to the Northeast Philadelphia hospital late Saturday
from his home a few blocks away after pain started shooting down his
right side. He registered at 10:45 p.m. and took a seat, chatting for
about 20 minutes with two men and a woman nearby.

Based on witness accounts, police believe Rivera passed out about an
hour later. Security video then shows one of the men steal his watch
and briefly pass it to the other.

"There's no resistance from Mr. Rivera at all, which is why we believe
he's probably dead. There's no stirring from him," said Capt. Jack
McGinnis, a city detective.

The second suspect is then seen by doctors, and a security guard
arrives to ask his sleeping companions to leave. A witness first
reports that Rivera may be dead.

At 12:04 a.m., he is pronounced dead.

"You would hope he would have died with dignity," McGinnis said.

Aria Health offered condolences to the family Tuesday but otherwise
declined comment, citing patient confidentiality and the pending
criminal case.

He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

Great questions.
--

John H

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."
Of course maybe it was just his time to go.
Who knows.

--Vic

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I assume you're being facetious.

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."

Exactly my point.

I assumed the audience would connect the dots as you did. Thanks for
filling in the detail.

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:30:37 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."
Of course maybe it was just his time to go.
Who knows.

--Vic



It appears the dead guy did have pretty good insurance, he was a
public school employee in Philadelphia (the web site says Aetna or
Blue Cross).
This is just the problem of walking into a hospital alone and not
having a family member or friend directing your care.

Or maybe an admitting nurse with a brain or presence of mind to check
on him. Pains up and down the arm are a strong indicator of cardiac
trouble.

The hospital's insurance company will be compensating the family.

So, here's another reason our health insurance rates are high. The
hospitals have to figure in the costs of their ****ups into whatever
service they provide.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I assume you're being facetious.

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."

Exactly my point.

I assumed the audience would connect the dots as you did. Thanks for
filling in the detail.

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:13:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I assume you're being facetious.

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."

Exactly my point.

I assumed the audience would connect the dots as you did. Thanks for
filling in the detail.

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

I was, of course, speaking of the old floater (boating reference) that
resides on the left half of your fair state.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:13:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I assume you're being facetious.

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."

Exactly my point.

I assumed the audience would connect the dots as you did. Thanks for
filling in the detail.

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

I was, of course, speaking of the old floater (boating reference) that
resides on the left half of your fair state.


You're gonna get Kalif Swill all worked up.
He'll be here later on, sputtering and spitting all over himself.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:13:02 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:40:52 -0800, jps wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:24 -0500, wrote:


He could have had the best insurance in the world and died if the
ambulance took him to that ER. What's your point?
I suppose you could make the case that this is what happens in a
government hospital but I bet that is not where you were going with
this.

What do you mean "inundated by everyday business?"
You mean by people without health insurance coming in for
non-emergency treatment?
That kind of crap doesn't really happen, does it?

I assume you're being facetious.

I wasn't making a point about insurance. Just about ERs who can't pay
attention because they're too busy. If they weren't so inundated by
everyday business, perhaps they would have noticed this guy taking a
powder in their waiting room.

Anyone who interviews a patient coming in with pains in his arm knows
that it's within reason he's having a cardiac episode.

Why not at this ER. Stupid or just too busy to notice?

Maybe this guy had "the best insurance in the world" and died
because ER attention was being given to the uninsured.
You can google "stress emergency room" to get a clue.
All I know is a number of pols say "Everybody can get care in America.
Just go to the emergency room."

Exactly my point.

I assumed the audience would connect the dots as you did. Thanks for
filling in the detail.

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

I was, of course, speaking of the old floater (boating reference) that
resides on the left half of your fair state.


You're gonna get Kalif Swill all worked up.
He'll be here later on, sputtering and spitting all over himself.


I see you got your head up your ass again. Idiot!

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:44:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.

That's good. Appropriate for DK the turd hauler.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, Rob wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!
--

John H

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, Rob wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!
--

John H

Johnny...you'd best leave the 'thinkin' to those qualified to do so.
That activity hasn't been your strong suit.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, Rob wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!
--

John H

Johnny...you'd best leave the 'thinkin' to those qualified to do so.
That activity hasn't been your strong suit.

I'm kinda disturbed that he's so very interested in turds, mine or
otherwise.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:19:50 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, Rob wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!
--

John H

Johnny...you'd best leave the 'thinkin' to those qualified to do so.
That activity hasn't been your strong suit.

His strong suit is found in among the definitions of dick, and I'm not
talking investigator.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, Rob wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!
--

John H

Johnny...you'd best leave the 'thinkin' to those qualified to do so.
That activity hasn't been your strong suit.

I'm kinda disturbed that he's so very interested in turds, mine or
otherwise.

--
Nom=de=Plume


That's our Johnny...a real fart smeller...er...smart feller.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.


OK, Don.

Rob

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.


OK, Don.

Rob


I know this is really hard to understand for you, but I'm not "Don." Don =
boy, Plume = girl.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob


Yet you just told me that I'm Don? I wonder where you fit on that scale of
dumb to genius.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.


OK, Don.

Rob


I know this is really hard to understand for you, but I'm not "Don." Don =
boy, Plume = girl.

--
Nom=de=Plume

When Ditzy Dan is 'in the mood', it probably doesn't matter if it's a boy or
a girl.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob


Yet you just told me that I'm Don? I wonder where you fit on that scale of
dumb to genius.

That's a rhetorical statement, I assume. You seem to have the dweebs
fully pegged at this point.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:39:41 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob


Yet you just told me that I'm Don? I wonder where you fit on that scale of
dumb to genius.

That's a rhetorical statement, I assume. You seem to have the dweebs
fully pegged at this point.


Well, I do ask a lot of rhetorial questions.... :)

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.

Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I your case, I leave them behind.

OK, Don.

Rob


I know this is really hard to understand for you, but I'm not "Don." Don =
boy, Plume = girl.

You are correct, Don is a boy, just a very little boy.

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.

Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I your case, I leave them behind.

OK, Don.

Rob


I know this is really hard to understand for you, but I'm not "Don." Don =
boy, Plume = girl.



When he was younger, "Rob" spent his money on flash cars. I spent mine
on women. Thus, I learned about women."Rob" learned about flash cars.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H


Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.


OK, Don.

Rob


I know this is really hard to understand for you, but I'm not "Don." Don =
boy, Plume = girl.


What's in a name?

Rob

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob


Yet you just told me that I'm Don? I wonder where you fit on that scale of
dumb to genius.


Wonder all you want. Make that an important part of your day.

Rob

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H


Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?

I'd estimate Herring's underutilized IQ started one point lower than
average. Based on your ability to think abstractly, synthesize
complex thoughts and articulate them, you're at least 30 to 40 points
higher, probably more. Add that to obvious onset of cerebral atrophy
and the span between you and Herring grows every day.

You could feel badly for he and DK, the idiot dung hauler, if they
weren't such bad actors. Herring's conduct speaks volumes.

DK is rec.boats chief butt sniffer. That is, he follows people around
carping at them like a small, irritating dog with limited capacity.
Sniffing other's droppings and barding at them is his best shot at
relevance.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob


I your case, I leave them behind.


OK, Don.

Rob


I know this is really hard to understand for you, but I'm not "Don." Don
=
boy, Plume = girl.


What's in a name?

Rob


I suppose it depends on the name and the intent behind using it.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob


Yet you just told me that I'm Don? I wonder where you fit on that scale
of
dumb to genius.


Wonder all you want. Make that an important part of your day.

Rob


See my response about IQ. Someone's got a lot of thunkin to do..

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H


Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?

I'd estimate Herring's underutilized IQ started one point lower than
average. Based on your ability to think abstractly, synthesize
complex thoughts and articulate them, you're at least 30 to 40 points
higher, probably more. Add that to obvious onset of cerebral atrophy
and the span between you and Herring grows every day.


JPS... not sure what I did to insult you... 30 to 40, probably??? more? :)

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:48:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H


Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?

I'd estimate Herring's underutilized IQ started one point lower than
average. Based on your ability to think abstractly, synthesize
complex thoughts and articulate them, you're at least 30 to 40 points
higher, probably more. Add that to obvious onset of cerebral atrophy
and the span between you and Herring grows every day.


JPS... not sure what I did to insult you... 30 to 40, probably??? more? :)

I am giving Herring a lot of credit by assuming he started at 99. I
felt generous at the time. I'd think you a genius if you'd have given
up on Herring three weeks earlier.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:46:51 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Rob" wrote in message
m...
nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob


Yet you just told me that I'm Don? I wonder where you fit on that scale
of
dumb to genius.


Wonder all you want. Make that an important part of your day.

Rob


See my response about IQ. Someone's got a lot of thunkin to do..

That'd require a transplant or Vulcan mind meld.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

jps wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:48:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously, dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.

Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.

"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob
I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!
I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob
An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H

Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?
I'd estimate Herring's underutilized IQ started one point lower than
average. Based on your ability to think abstractly, synthesize
complex thoughts and articulate them, you're at least 30 to 40 points
higher, probably more. Add that to obvious onset of cerebral atrophy
and the span between you and Herring grows every day.

JPS... not sure what I did to insult you... 30 to 40, probably??? more? :)

I am giving Herring a lot of credit by assuming he started at 99. I
felt generous at the time. I'd think you a genius if you'd have given
up on Herring three weeks earlier.


Makes you wonder...if herring is at a 99 IQ (a good estimate), where the
hell are loogy, justhate, krueger, and flajim?

I used to give "skipper" some grief for his occasional density, but
compared to these clowns, he was a merit scholarship finalist. And he
could turn a phrase once in a while. Our right-wing boys can't write
themselves out of a paper bag. And loogy? He thinks he's a ninja.

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:48:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously,
dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her
posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H


Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?

I'd estimate Herring's underutilized IQ started one point lower than
average. Based on your ability to think abstractly, synthesize
complex thoughts and articulate them, you're at least 30 to 40 points
higher, probably more. Add that to obvious onset of cerebral atrophy
and the span between you and Herring grows every day.


JPS... not sure what I did to insult you... 30 to 40, probably??? more? :)

I am giving Herring a lot of credit by assuming he started at 99. I
felt generous at the time. I'd think you a genius if you'd have given
up on Herring three weeks earlier.


Yes... well, I'm just average I guess. :)

--
Nom=de=Plume

Yup, aid available at your closest ER
 

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:35:00 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:48:09 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:24:03 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:34:10 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:26:00 -0500, wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:

Gfretwell, Plume and I have traveled this road previously,
dragging
an
old turd from N. California behind us.


Ummm.... I usually leave my turds undisturbed.


"usually"? What do you do the rest of the..forget it.

Rob

I'm beginning to think she's not Harry, but Don White. Some of her
'writings' just seem to be of the same calibre.

" I *usually* leave my turds undisturbed." What a joke!

I agree. I noticed it in an earlier post, too. The thing is her
posts
are marginally more intelligent than anything Don could muster.

Rob

An IQ of 72 is marginally higher than one of 71.
--

John H


Wow... I wonder what IQ was required to come to this conclusion?

I'd estimate Herring's underutilized IQ started one point lower than
average. Based on your ability to think abstractly, synthesize
complex thoughts and articulate them, you're at least 30 to 40 points
higher, probably more. Add that to obvious onset of cerebral atrophy
and the span between you and Herring grows every day.


JPS... not sure what I did to insult you... 30 to 40, probably??? more? :)

I am giving Herring a lot of credit by assuming he started at 99. I
felt generous at the time. I'd think you a genius if you'd have given
up on Herring three weeks earlier.


Yes... well, I'm just average I guess. :)

You were years quicker to the trigger than I so you're still bordering
on genius.