H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 1:43 PM, H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Pansy. That's it. You're off my team. Who ever heard of a real man
with an electric start 25 HP outboard motor. What color is it? Pink I
suppose, to match your Toyota beer hauler. And learn to drink
responsibly. One six pack of Corona should last you all year like it
does for me.

--


Careful Jackoff...the previous owner may be moving to a spot near you
in the future


I am so sorry rec.boats is so full of these idiots, it used to be a
great place to meet and have an intelligent conversation.


Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: You've seen sardines...
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:45:27 -0500
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Why do you assholes insist on cluttering up my newsgroup?

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the K
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....


If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?

Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

You would be out on OR in less than a couple hours. Unless you have a
record as a bad guy and they want you put away.

So, you don't mind sitting in jail for a couple of hours. Well, ok. Go for
it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Swill gets all excited at the thought of being locked up with big sweaty
rough men.

On 11/25/09 9:49 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....


If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?

Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.



Flajim? Interesting. Once a piece of navy****, always a piece of navy****.


--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

In article ,
says...

"John H" wrote in message
news

Good move. I think there's something to that 'possession is
nine-tenths' bit.

Anyway, I feel much better having the boat back under my control.

And, glad to see you're still alive and kicking. How's the shop? From
your web site it appears to be doing well. I know nothing of guitars,
so don't stick my head in your door.

Hope you have a great Thanksgiving and that all are well.
--

John H


Doing well thanks. Stuck my head in here to see what's new. Seems to be a
few
more boating posts which is good but also still a lot of politicking and
name calling.

The music shop is consuming most of my time. It has grown more than I
originally
bargained for, but still is fun. Getting to meet a lot of interesting
people. Actually sold
a custom built guitar to a member of Bob Dylan's band. Actually the guitar
is going
to Dylan, but there were issues to get around. The band member is Donnie
Herron, a multi-instrument
player that has been with Dylan for about five years now, both in touring
performances and
recording sessions. He visited the shop, entertained us for a while (pros
are in another league)
and then tried one of the custom built guitars we have. He commented that
"Bob would love this
guitar". (It's a historic reproduction of a guitar built back around 1900).
He left, but later that
afternoon I got a telephone call. He said they were sending someone down
from Boston to
pick up the guitar and it would be on stage that night, which was the last
night of Dylan's performance
at the Wang Center.

Pretty exciting day, both for me and the luthier who built the guitar.

Take care and Happy "T" day to everyone.

Eisboch

Glad you are having a great time!

Scotty

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:26:30 -0500, H the K
wrote:

nom=de=plume wrote:
"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
If they file Chapter 7, the boats in the yard can be quickly
returned
to
the owners. If they are torn apart, in the middle of a service, you
are
out of luck and will have to pay someone else to finish the job. If
they
have an account started with you, with a balance, the bankruptcy
court
can attempt to make you pay for the benefit of the trust.

Rob - Been there, different circumstances.

It depends on what you consider to be "quickly". In many cases a
Chapter 7 filing ... voluntary or involuntary ... results in all the
assets
and property (owned by the business or not) being held until the
bankruptcy court
plows through all the records. It can take months.

I had a similar experience to John's a few years back in Florida.
I had a Scout stored at a boat yard storage and repair place.
The bank called a note on them and they were forced into
Chapter 7. There was no direct notice to those of us with boats at
the yard.

Similar to John, I became suspicious when I could no longer contact
them. I took a ride to the yard only to find it locked up with a
steel
gate
that was padlocked. I sat there for a while in my truck and noticed
a
van
pull up, unlock the gate and pulled into the yard. I quickly pulled
up
behind him and entered as well.

The guy in the van got out and started yelling at me that they were
"closed".
By this time the situation was clear in my mind, so I pulled my truck
around
him and backed it up to my boat and trailer. Told him I was taking
my
boat.
He said I couldn't .. they were "bankrupt" and everything in the yard
had
been
frozen by the court.

He ran into the building to call somebody.

Meanwhile, I noticed that the trailer had a flat tire. Another guy
came
out
and helped me put a little air in the tire and he then got the keys
to
the
van
and moved it. Apparently he didn't realize what was going on.

I dragged the boat/trailer out of the yard to the nearest gas station
to
fill up the
tire and then headed home. Checked the local "legal notices" for
the
town
and discovered they were in bankruptcy. Never heard from them again.

Eisboch
That's a scary situation. What would you have done if the police
showed up
before you split?
Nothing?

So, you're a cop. What are you going to charge him with? Theft of his
own property? Breaking? Nope. Entering? Nope, the gate was open.
Trespassing? Nope.... he had a right to be there if he was paid up.

These are civil, not criminal issues. The cops *really* don't want to
deal with this.

Google replevin and detinue. You'll have a much cheaper education in
this than mine....


If the police show up, you better be able to prove it's your boat. If
you
can't immediately, they'll haul your butt in and sort it out there. You
can
call it civil if you want, but the facts on the ground will be your butt
sitting in jail until someone shows up with the pink slip.


You tell him, the assholes in rec.boats are too stupid to bring a valid
ID and their boat registration. They are all morons.
I wonder why you and I hang out with these idiots. Would you like to
get together for a beer and whatever?

Looks like Bad Jim found a temporary way to skirt people ignoring him.

The style is certainly southern Alabama.


I suspected it was him, since it must be too much for him to switch back and
forth between IDs.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Rob" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:43:26 -0500, wrote:

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:


You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the
police would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop
the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

Let point to why I think you are wrong:

"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's
property without that person's freely-given consent."

Note: NOT " another person's property." Therefore, Not Theft!

The boat wasn't on the street, it was in a locked, private, area.

Rob

No it wasn't. The area it was in was not fenced or locked. It was
behind the back row of a strip mall. That was one of my worries, that
the boat could be pilfered.

I wouldn't have had to break into anything to get it.

Then why the discussion about the bolt cutters and the lock??

Rob


It was the trailer hitch lock I believe.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m...

You would be out on OR in less than a couple hours. Unless you have a
record as a bad guy and they want you put away.

So, you don't mind sitting in jail for a couple of hours. Well, ok. Go
for it.

--
Nom=de=Plume


Swill gets all excited at the thought of being locked up with big sweaty
rough men.

Heh... well, I can see the attraction.

--
Nom=de=Plume

H the K wrote:
On 11/25/09 2:47 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"H the wrote in message
...
On 11/25/09 11:55 AM, H the K wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote:

Like I said, maybe. Clearly, the property wasn't abandoned, since
someone was there at the end of John's story.

Of course, without the complete facts, it's hard to know what would
happen.

We were all waiting for this enlightenment.



Spoofed post.



Perhaps someone will meet this bozo and give him some five finger
enlightenment.


He's just another rec.boats coward.


This is another spoofed post. I don't use windoze, he is nothing more
than a Reich Wing nut case

--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.

nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:28:18 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:13:15 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:48:07 -0500, Rob wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:01:48 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:53 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"John wrote in message
...
On 27 October I took my boat in to get the oils changed and engine
winterized. Also wanted them to check the alternator. Told them,
Dumfries Marine, that they could take their time as I'd be out of
town
for a few days.

I got back in town after a trip to NC, and saw no message on the
machine from them. Didn't worry. Waited another week, but still
had
heard nothing. Finally, around 9 November, I'm thinking they
should
have called, so I call them. No answer. Leave a message.

Next day same thing. I call, no answer, leave message. I did this
every day that week. I try over the weekend - nothing.

The next week comes and I start by calling them on Monday, that's
16
Nov. No answer. Tuesday AM I drive to Dumfries to see what the
hell
is
happening. No one around (at about 10:30), no sign on door, no
nothing. My boat is behind the building with a padlock on the
hitch,
but other than that there is no security.

Wednesday I call again, nothing. I drive down Thursday, and again
on
Saturday morning. Nothing. Yesterday AM I call and get a recording
that the phone's been disconnected. ****.

I call the Dumfries Police. Explain what's happened. They try to
call
and get the answer machine. The 'disconnected' recording was a
fluke,
or I misdialed. Don't know. The police said they'd check things
out
and get back to me. They also said I might have to take the matter
to
civil court as they have no report of a crime. I tell them that as
far
as I'm concerned my boat's been stolen. They never got back to me.

This morning I rent the biggest bolt cutter the rental place can
provide. Costs me ten bucks. I'm off to get my damn boat. When I
get
there I see a pickup backed up to the door and a bunch of stuff
loaded
in the back. I try the door and it's open. I yell and someone
replies.
Turns out to be one of the two brothers who run the place.

I ask what the hell's going on. He shrugs, but doesn't answer. I
ask
if they're still in business. Another shrug. Finally I tell him I
want
my damn boat. He hands me the keys. When I ask him why he hasn't
called, his response is, "Personal problems."

Anyway, I get my boat and go. Last time I go there for anything.
--

John H

It's probably pretty good that you didn't act on getting your boat
with the
bolt cutters. Even though it was your boat, you could be charged
with
trespass, breaking/entering, perhaps property damage, and God knows
what
else.
Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. John's actions were BY
FAR
the best approach.

To assume that our court system works is to engage in a fool's
errand.
You will spend forever engaged in placating the system and paying
obscene amounts to attorneys.... with unpredictable results, at
best.

When faced with this sort of issue.... a wise individual seeks
forgiveness, NOT permission.....
I figured possession was nine-tenths and all that. I'd have felt much
better getting hassled about cutting the lock off while the boat was
in *my* driveway.

They would have had the keys, but I could get more made.
In this case, they had possession of the boat - not you. Under
bankruptcy law, they couldn't keep it for too long.

Rob
You Sooooooooo don't get it. While they held the boat, John had to sue
for possession. Once he had regained possession, they had to perfect a
claim on HIS boat.....

Maybe you think they could get the DA to arrest John for "stealing"
his own property, I think not....

You would think wrong then. Well, I'll qualify that and say the police
would
for sure make an arrest if there were witnesses. The DA might drop the
charges, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.
We'll let me assure you this..... having been there? I'll be wrong,
take my chances.... and feel very sure that I'll be fine.....
Now you see why I can pay no attention to her vacuous, space-cadet
responses.
--

John H


You're just a spineless jerk. You're so afraid of me that you block my
posts??? Now, that's funny!


John Herring is intimidated by a strong woman. I personally find them
exciting.
--
If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob,
achmed the sock puppet, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting
your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because,
well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster, and I
don't read the vomit you post, except by accident on occasion. As
always, have a nice, simple-minded day.