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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community
organizer.


He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the
Jewish community. Are you denying this?

Christ described accurately. What a laugh.

What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true
interpretation?

He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died.
All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple,
celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest.

Guess what? There was no Easter!


I could never quite get a handle on Easter... even as a child. I asked my
mom .. why do eggs come out of a bunny? Now I wonder why we have little
children run around looking for them.

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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you
would be quite satisfied to have proven your point.

Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows.

That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These
folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer
or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions
that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward
antagonist, though;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary


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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

My desire is to see Christ described accurately, not as a community
organizer.


He organized and had followers. Are you denying this? They were from the
Jewish community. Are you denying this?

Christ described accurately. What a laugh.

What makes you think your understanding of Christ is the one true
interpretation?

He wasn't even a Christian dude, he was Jewish. Born, lived, died.
All of his followers were Jewish. They all attended Temple,
celebrated the Sabbath, Passover, The New Year and the Harvest.

Guess what? There was no Easter!


I could never quite get a handle on Easter... even as a child. I asked my
mom .. why do eggs come out of a bunny? Now I wonder why we have little
children run around looking for them.

Bait and switch. By the time you start feeling embarassed to hunt for
eggs, you've been indoctrinated and have a strange feeling that Easter
is a wonderful holiday...

Never too old for chocolate eggs.

Community organization is nothing new
 

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So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool
dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert
Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion,
Christianity
is a creation of man.

If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've
created Him that way in your own mind?


Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message
of
peace, acceptance, and healing.

His message like this?

NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving
generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with
you? Bring him to Me!"


As I said... out of context. You're starting to sound silly. If you don't
like Jesus' message, why not just say so.

You don't seem to know what His message is. And I'm certain that you
are unable to articulate what the context of Mark 9:19 is.


I'm sure you're able to tell us. In any case, this has nothing to do with
the vitriol from the right. Or, maybe it does.

Hopefully you're not ready to venture into the ignoble domain of the
circumstantial ad hominem. Few go there and return to the land of
reason.

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:45:19 -0500, John H
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

You would think that once she called your argument 'ingenuous', you
would be quite satisfied to have proven your point.

Was that a Freudian slip? Only the Shadow knows.

That's why I iterated that I wasn't quite sure what she meant. These
folks also don't seem to know the definition of a community organizer
or a revolutionary. They're working with presuppositional definitions
that they deem free of defect. This might help the wayward
antagonist, though;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Organizer

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revolutionary


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You're starting to sound like an apologist for the right nutcases.

As should be obvious, my apologetics are centered elsewhere.

Now for the occasionally indolent reader that may chance upon this
post, here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article;

"Community organizing is a process by which people living in proximity
to each other are brought together in an organization to act in their
shared self-interest. Unlike other forms of more consensual "community
building," community organizers generally assume that social change
necessarily involves conflict and social struggle in order to generate
collective power for the powerless. A core goal of community
organizing is to generate durable power for an organization
representing the community, allowing it to influence key
decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for
example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table
before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with
and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting
in the development of campaigns."

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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to
jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on.

Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its
you
and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead.


Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes
from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer?

Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the
syllables to get to the true meaning?

Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave?
Plonked by most who've known you previously?

Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you
don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a
community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too.
Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its this
way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that
you've been schooled.

You're living a fantasy with the insurance salesman. Do you really
think it's that important to prove Jesus was a community organizer to
a serial deflector who'll skirt every communication that doesn't suit
his argument? Are you another of the sour grapes dweebs who cannot
stand our President compared to Jesus?

Ever hear the story about the bible quoting contest in Mississippi
where the runner up went to the winner's house and shot him to death?

Why are you posting as a sock puppet? Didn't like the first time I
plonked you for being a fool?

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:38:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Candy Man" wrote in message
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Your like Zeitgeist lite but even more uninformed and manic about it.


Like wow. I'm so unimpressed.

Maybe he'll look up zeitgeist prior to using it next time. If I
represent the zeitgeist, the conservative cause is going down the
tubes with their pseudo morals and ethics.

From his lips to God's ears.

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On 11/20/09 1:19 PM, wrote:

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


Jesus can be whatever you want..., just as "the bible" can prove or
disprove any belief you have.

As an example, to me, if he existed at all, Jesus was a pretty cool
dude
with some socially acceptable ideas about his fellow man who spent his
life preaching his vision of Judaism to Jews in the general area in
which he supposedly lived, and who had no idea or desire to convert
Jews
or pagans to a new religion. As with every other religion,
Christianity
is a creation of man.

If Jesus was a pretty cool dude, then he's so simply because you've
created Him that way in your own mind?


Can't speak for Harry, but He was a "cool dude" because of his message
of
peace, acceptance, and healing.

His message like this?

NAS Mark 9:19 And He *answered them and *said, "O unbelieving
generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with
you? Bring him to Me!"


As I said... out of context. You're starting to sound silly. If you don't
like Jesus' message, why not just say so.

You don't seem to know what His message is. And I'm certain that you
are unable to articulate what the context of Mark 9:19 is.


I'm sure you're able to tell us. In any case, this has nothing to do with
the vitriol from the right. Or, maybe it does.


Oh Golly, several things come to mind.

Fanatic. Pat Robertson. American Taliban.

Community organization is nothing new
 

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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to
jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on.

Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its
you
and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead.


Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes
from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer?

Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the
syllables to get to the true meaning?

Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave?
Plonked by most who've known you previously?

Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you
don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a
community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too.
Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its this
way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that
you've been schooled.


The left-wing modus operandi.
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Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too!

http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html

And not much unlike ACORN.


Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to
Hitler...

Jesus was a community organizer?

NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on
the
earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own
father and mother and wife and children and brothers and
sisters,
yes,
and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor
except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his
own
household."

NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no
one;
but
go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that
Moses
commanded, as a testimony to them."


All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more
interested
in
profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add.

Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be
out
of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided
no
extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being
said,
though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to
provide those passages that qualifiably make that case.
Alternately,
I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before
the
Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His
disciples.
In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary,"
not
a
community organizer.


There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to
tell
me
how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't
need
to
"provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a
completely ingenuous argument.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply
of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the
time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises,
doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This
fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural
components.
Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days,
it
doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community
organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting
the
definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer
is
anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ
as
a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty
heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If
anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate
exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's
legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings
from
which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion.

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No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism.

So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to
confirm his role as a community organizer?


It's not my job to satisfy your desire to shift the discussion from the
right using that phrase derisively against Obama to my ability to do
biblical research.

Serial deflector, he is. Forget cogency in debating him. He likes to
jump tracks to gain advantage. Can't face issues head on.

Dude, he posed a question about Jesus being a community organizer. Its
you
and Nom that are dodging the issue. It looks to me like he's miles ahead.


Sock Puppet: He's miles ahead into fantasyland. Asking for quotes
from the bible that proves Jesus was a community organizer?

Are you common sense challenged too? Do you need to parse the
syllables to get to the true meaning?

Why not just post under your normal handle? Promised to leave?
Plonked by most who've known you previously?

Defensive, are we? You said that he was deflecting. But now its that you
don't know enough about the about the bible to prove that Jesus was a
community organizer. You've been taken to the wood shed and Nom too.
Neither of you know enough to prove your point. You both say that its this
way or that way and neither of you can back it up. Plonk away now that
you've been schooled.


There isn't much point in taking him to task. He's quick to make
charges of diversion; but, he's been caught using an array of informal
fallacies, begging the question, the strawman, the ignoratio elenchi,
the ad hominem, ad infinitum (that not being one, of course). It's a
never ending tailspin, and it always comes back to his antagonist. One
can only hope that eventually he'll see the wisdom in an honest
discourse.

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