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Community organization is nothing new
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? Like Trotsky or Lenin? Did they organize people around ideas? Oh yeah. Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? Oh yeah. Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? Not organizing around a set of ideas? |
Community organization is nothing new
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... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message m... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Yes, unless it was a Republican who was elected President after having served his community in a way that helped them deal with their daily lives. Then you'd be perfectly happy with the comparison. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler.... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of ideas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die on the spot. YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying and playing cards,. ?;^ ) |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of ideas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die on the spot. YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying and playing cards,. ?;^ ) It's worth noting the ease with which anyone can assert that Jesus was a community organizer as opposed to submitting any scriptural evidence to support the claim. But, you are right, what is crucially important is that Christ died that the individual might be reconciled with God, and that having been done out of a true compassion. And what He endured to ensure that end illustrates that love. I think one of the reasons that I tend to detest any description of Christ as a community organizer, aside from the reason I've stated already, is that it takes away from what Christ was and is. It installs His divinity in a secular compartment, for lack of a better way of putting it. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: On Nov 19, 9:46*pm, jps wrote: On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...5b-aae6-5f17-9... And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 *"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. *What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. *That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. *Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," *not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. Nah, he didn't do any organizing. *He just had those guys surrounding him for playing cards and partying. *Religion and faith in a belief certainly couldn't be characterized by community, could it? Loose bible interpretations are part and parcel of the evangelical movement. *I could quote several passages that could easily be interpretted to mean Jesus was gay or believed in guns. Revolutionary? *Like Trotsky or Lenin? *Did they organize people around ideas? *Oh yeah. *Were people motivated to believe in and act on behalf of one or the other? *Oh yeah. *Isn't that how Trotsky ended up witn an ice pick in his forehead while living in Mexico? Now how did Jesus die and for what? *Not organizing around a set of ideas?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Trotsky was killed by a blow to the back of the head with a cut down Ice "hatchet" and the wound wasn't imediatly fatal. ie he didn't die on the spot. YOu should know how Jesus died, and the reason. It wasn't for partying and playing cards,. ?;^ ) Jesus died for your sins. I think he was doing some organizing of sorts. Spreading ideas to modernize the temple. A rabble rouser. |
Community organization is nothing new
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:47 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:42 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:50 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:59:22 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... Hitler had his organizers (Brown Shirts) too! http://www.trib.com/news/opinion/mai...501f759b0.html And not much unlike ACORN. Jesus was a community organizer. Why don't you compare Him to Hitler... Jesus was a community organizer? NAS Matthew 10:34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. NAS Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. NAS Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household." NAS Matthew 8:4 And Jesus *said to him, "See that you tell no one; but go, show yourself to the priest and present the offering that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." All taken out of context. But, if you believe that He was more interested in profit than people, I'm not sure what I can add. Any passage or quote taken out of an extant text can be said to be out of context. What may be more accurate is to say that I provided no extensive excerpts to provide additional context. That being said, though, if Jesus were a community organizer, you should be able to provide those passages that qualifiably make that case. Alternately, I can make the case that Christ was removed from this world before the Christian community was "organized" by the apostles and His disciples. In the truest since of the word, Christ was a "revolutionary," not a community organizer. There was no such phrase in those times, as you know. Feel free to tell me how bad a community organizer is if that's your intention. I don't need to "provide" passages, and if you knew better, you wouldn't ask. It's a completely ingenuous argument. I'm not quite sure what you mean by all of this. There is a panoply of theological terms, or phrases, that certainly didn't exist in the time of Christ that are used to describe particular premises, doctrines, tenets, and manifestations in Biblical scripture. This fact doesn't detract from the validity of those scriptural components. Though, "no such phrase" may not have been employed in those days, it doesn't take away from the fact there may have been community organizers. In fact, the Apostle Paul comes very close to fitting the definition. This also is not to suggest that a community organizer is anathema. What I find offensive is any attempt to describe Christ as a community organizer in order to elevate the vocation to lofty heights. Jesus Christ simply was not a community organizer. If anything, he served as a contrary example. If it is a legitimate exercise to describe Christ as community organizer, then it's legitimacy can be adduced from the time-honored canon of writings from which excerpts can be submitted to buttress the assertion. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access No, it's being used derisively by the right to justify obstructionism. So, I take it that you decline to submit evidential material to confirm his role as a community organizer? -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
Community organization is nothing new
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