On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:24:10 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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"BAR" wrote in message
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Lu Powell wrote:
Bowing to foreign royalty has been a no-no for American presidents
for
over 200 years. Obama didn't bow to the Japanese emperor on November
14,
2009; he was merely checking because the emperor told him his fly was
open!


I wonder what Hairy, Nom=de-Plump, et al will post to justify the
bow.
Don't really care since they are banished from my computer.


It must be nice to be totally happy with being ignorant of foreign
customs, where you can criticize Obama for not being as ignorant as you
are.

Typical, unfortunately.

Doesn't matter. Not ONE of them said a damned thing when Bush did his
usual foreign customs screw ups.

Kissing cheeks and holding hands is different from bowing and showing
subservience.

If you are going to bow to one monarch shouldn't you bow to all of them?


So, by that logic, Obama should be kissing all the world leaders? Even Bush
didn't do that.

Personally, even if he did bow, it's very minor thing. It distracts from the
real issues of healthcare, the two wars, etc., but it's a useful tool for
the right, just as Bush's handholding and kissing was for the left.

Maybe Obama should try massaging his peers shoulders at a meeting of
the G-8 or NATO or the UN...

Lu Powell wrote:


Bowing to the Japanese emperor by any head of a foreign state is not
customary. Perhaps you can offer proof otherwise. Until you do, I'm
calling BS on you.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=51697

.... and the LA Times showed its total ignorance of Japanese culture, not
even taking time to explain "bow" protocol in Japan, which I know all
too well from my personal interest in Japanese Culture and visit to Japan.

There are three kinds of bows: the first is just about five degrees and
is a greeting for friends; the second is about 10 degrees and is for a
boss or senior in business; but the third one is at a full 15 degrees
and is reserved for heads of state or The Emperor.

Obama's 15 degree bow to The Emperor of Japan was correct.

Not really sure how Bush's gaffes somehow excuses totally inappropriate
behavior by "The One".


There are many opinions, and it seems that the right wing thinks the US
bows to no one (Bowing is showing respect in many cultures.)

This was Bush 50% of the time the other 50 he was holding hands with the
Saudi King.

Hard to tell just what the right wingers want, but following other
cultural guidelines seems to mean little.

BAR wrote:


Kissing cheeks and holding hands is different from bowing and showing
subservience.

To you, bowing is showing subservience. Bowing is showing respect in
many cultures.

Opinions vary, cultural customs don't mean much when you are ignorant of
them.

If you are going to bow to one monarch shouldn't you bow to all of them?

Depends on the culture?

A king is considered royalty. Shouldn't you show royalty respect?

I bow to no man, or woman (Plum).
I'm not sure but isn't it the tradition at the opening ceremonies that
the American flag is not lowered when passing the host leader? I
wonder if obama will order the flag lowered?
Eddie
oops, forgot to add " - - at the Olympic ceremonies - -".
Eddie

There are many opinions, and it seems that the right wing thinks the US
bows to no one (Bowing is showing respect in many cultures.)


A polite bow followed by "yessa massa". is a proper sign of respect. I
agree.
Holding hands is another story.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:48:59 -0800, Jim wrote:


Hard to tell just what the right wingers want, but following other
cultural guidelines seems to mean little.

IMO showing respect does nothing to lessen one's own stature.
And I have no problem with Bush kissing and holding hands with the
Saudi. This is the only way to express those inclinations over there,
since being queer is a capital offense.
Some might argue that the Saudis were behind 9/11, and be ****ed by
Bush's show of affection.
Saudi Arabia is still the fount of Wahhabism.

Here's the current bill we owe Japan.

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt

Best to show some respect to creditors.
Don't want them calling in the debt.
Might not matter to a deadbeat full of false pride though.

--Vic

Scotty.
What time is it by your watch?

I am Tosk wrote:
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Scotty.
What time is it by your watch?

Uh, 9:43 did I miss something??
check your computer clock.

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Lu Powell wrote:
Bowing to foreign royalty has been a no-no for American presidents for
over 200 years. Obama didn't bow to the Japanese emperor on November 14,
2009; he was merely checking because the emperor told him his fly was open!


I wonder what Hairy, Nom=de-Plump, et al will post to justify the bow.
Don't really care since they are banished from my computer.


It must be nice to be totally happy with being ignorant of foreign
customs, where you can criticize Obama for not being as ignorant as you are.

Typical, unfortunately.

Doesn't matter. Not ONE of them said a damned thing when Bush did his
usual foreign customs screw ups.

Kissing cheeks and holding hands is different from bowing and showing
subservience.

If you are going to bow to one monarch shouldn't you bow to all of them?

No, you only would "respect" those that we are not at war with. Pay
attention Loogie, if you ever accuse me of the harry bull**** again, you
are lying...

You don't think you sound just like Harry with your right wing post
after post after post?

--
WAFA the newsgroup liar free!

On 11/16/09 1:20 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
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In articleQd6dnR1Yeacz3p3WnZ2dnUVZ_qNi4p2d@earthlink .com,
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Lu Powell wrote:
Bowing to foreign royalty has been a no-no for American presidents for
over 200 years. Obama didn't bow to the Japanese emperor on November 14,
2009; he was merely checking because the emperor told him his fly was open!


I wonder what Hairy, Nom=de-Plump, et al will post to justify the bow.
Don't really care since they are banished from my computer.


It must be nice to be totally happy with being ignorant of foreign
customs, where you can criticize Obama for not being as ignorant as you are.

Typical, unfortunately.

Doesn't matter. Not ONE of them said a damned thing when Bush did his
usual foreign customs screw ups.

Kissing cheeks and holding hands is different from bowing and showing
subservience.

If you are going to bow to one monarch shouldn't you bow to all of them?

No, you only would "respect" those that we are not at war with. Pay
attention Loogie, if you ever accuse me of the harry bull**** again, you
are lying...

You don't think you sound just like Harry with your right wing post
after post after post?

I have reached over the isle several times in the last few weeks to
defend democrats. Harry, and of course you, have not and do not...



You assholes really are obsessed with me. Crikey.


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