In article ,
says...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...012_99101.html

President Obama hasn't even made it through his first year in office
and already talk about Hillary is starting up.

Heh - how about that.

Was Hillary smart to be suckered out of the Senate and into the Obama
administration? Can she resign in disgust and still run against Obama
successfully in 2012? Or, would she have been better off staying in the
Senate and being a loyal Democrat and then turning when Obama became a
failure as President?

What are the odds that she will serve out the full four years as Sec of
State? If not, will she be fired or resign?

My money is on her getting fired within 6 months.

On 11/14/09 8:35 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...012_99101.html

President Obama hasn't even made it through his first year in office
and already talk about Hillary is starting up.

Heh - how about that.

Was Hillary smart to be suckered out of the Senate and into the Obama
administration? Can she resign in disgust and still run against Obama
successfully in 2012? Or, would she have been better off staying in the
Senate and being a loyal Democrat and then turning when Obama became a
failure as President?

What are the odds that she will serve out the full four years as Sec of
State? If not, will she be fired or resign?

My money is on her getting fired within 6 months.



Based upon what? Your educational background in polisci?

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On 11/15/09 12:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:35:55 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...012_99101.html

President Obama hasn't even made it through his first year in office
and already talk about Hillary is starting up.

Heh - how about that.

Was Hillary smart to be suckered out of the Senate and into the Obama
administration? Can she resign in disgust and still run against Obama
successfully in 2012? Or, would she have been better off staying in the
Senate and being a loyal Democrat and then turning when Obama became a
failure as President?

What are the odds that she will serve out the full four years as Sec of
State? If not, will she be fired or resign?

My money is on her getting fired within 6 months.

She won't be fired but I still would not be surprised to see her leave
around 2011 "to spend more time with her family". (and perhaps get her
campaign back on track)
It really all depends on how successful Obama is by then.
If he is perceived as being unbeatable she will probably stay on.



Hillary isn't going to mount a campaign against a sitting US President
who is a member of her party.

What might happen is this, though:

Joe Biden is 67 and will be 70 in 2012. He may not want another term as
VP, or his health might deteriorate.

Hillary Clinton is 62 and will be 65 in 2012. She might be interested in
the VP seat. As far as I know, she has no significant health issues.



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On 11/15/09 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:32:44 -0500, H the
wrote:

On 11/15/09 12:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:35:55 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...012_99101.html

President Obama hasn't even made it through his first year in office
and already talk about Hillary is starting up.

Heh - how about that.

Was Hillary smart to be suckered out of the Senate and into the Obama
administration? Can she resign in disgust and still run against Obama
successfully in 2012? Or, would she have been better off staying in the
Senate and being a loyal Democrat and then turning when Obama became a
failure as President?

What are the odds that she will serve out the full four years as Sec of
State? If not, will she be fired or resign?

My money is on her getting fired within 6 months.

She won't be fired but I still would not be surprised to see her leave
around 2011 "to spend more time with her family". (and perhaps get her
campaign back on track)
It really all depends on how successful Obama is by then.
If he is perceived as being unbeatable she will probably stay on.



Hillary isn't going to mount a campaign against a sitting US President
who is a member of her party.

What might happen is this, though:

Joe Biden is 67 and will be 70 in 2012. He may not want another term as
VP, or his health might deteriorate.

Hillary Clinton is 62 and will be 65 in 2012. She might be interested in
the VP seat. As far as I know, she has no significant health issues.

I think the only way it happens is if Obama ends up in "Carter"
trouble. (Malaise and stagflation, with foreign policy in shambles)
and if the GOP actually came up with a credible candidate. I haven't
seen that guy yet.
I still say the GOP threw away the last election, assuming they were
going to lose anyway and not wanting to sacrifice anyone good. McCain
was still going to be in the senate and Palin was just an experiment.
If she had stayed in Alaska she would still be a star.


I don't think the GOP had anyone really good in 2008, and I haven't seen
anyone emerge who has the potential of being really good. Romney
continues to make a fool of himself. Palin continues to make a fool of
herself. Gingrich has integrity and old marital issues that will knock
him out of contention. Plus, the GOP is being pushed further and further
to the right by the evangelicals and other extremist lunatics.
Look what they are trying to do to Charlie Crist in Florida. Crist is a
popular guy who has done a reasonable job as governor of Florida, and a
fellow who could attract a lot of Dem and Indy voters. He would win the
Senate seat. So, what are the GOP nutcases doing? Trying to derail him.



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On 11/15/09 7:51 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:06:49 -0500, H the
wrote:

Look what they are trying to do to Charlie Crist in Florida. Crist is a
popular guy who has done a reasonable job as governor of Florida, and a
fellow who could attract a lot of Dem and Indy voters. He would win the
Senate seat. So, what are the GOP nutcases doing? Trying to derail him.

The hot rumor in Tallahassee has always been that Crist is gay. I bet
that will pop up it's ugly head if he runs for president. I wouldn't
be surprised if it shows up in the Senate race. Maybe that is the
test.


Yeah, I've heard that rumor, too. It's too bad that we're so screwed up
in this country that most gays who seek public office have to hide that
part of their lives in the closet. Not that I know that Crist is or
isn't. I really don't give a **** if he is gay. He's among the most
rational and reasonable of Republican pols. If he is gay, he should
announce it rather than have it announced for him through outing or some
sort of incident like Senator Craig. It's the hypocrisy that I find
annoying, not the gayness.

Who is the Dem candidate likely to be? I don't follow Florida politics
much these days.




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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:59:47 -0500, wrote:

I think the only way it happens is if Obama ends up in "Carter"
trouble. (Malaise and stagflation, with foreign policy in shambles)
and if the GOP actually came up with a credible candidate. I haven't
seen that guy yet.

Guy? What about one of the Bush daughters? They seem like a fun
bunch, and probably as well qualified as Sarah P. :-)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:59:47 -0500, wrote:

I think the only way it happens is if Obama ends up in "Carter"
trouble. (Malaise and stagflation, with foreign policy in shambles)
and if the GOP actually came up with a credible candidate. I haven't
seen that guy yet.

Guy? What about one of the Bush daughters? They seem like a fun
bunch, and probably as well qualified as Sarah P. :-)



I like that idea! Party at the White House, byob.

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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:15:24 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:59:47 -0500, wrote:

I think the only way it happens is if Obama ends up in "Carter"
trouble. (Malaise and stagflation, with foreign policy in shambles)
and if the GOP actually came up with a credible candidate. I haven't
seen that guy yet.

Guy? What about one of the Bush daughters? They seem like a fun
bunch, and probably as well qualified as Sarah P. :-)


The won't be old enough until Nov 25, 2016. Technically possible but
they would still be too young in the campaign.

Jeb has a fairly attractive son tho, and he is actually hispanic
(mom's side) so he is really positioned to do well in a rapidly
"browning" country.
He is in the Navy intelligence community right now and may be deployed
to Iraq or Afghanistan (no doubt to get his "I ain't a chicken hawk"
ticket punched).
The question is would we really elect another George (P) Bush.
Maybe he should call himself Jorge Garnica


Was he one of the "brown" ones that Bush, Sr. got in trouble for
identifying? I didn't see anything wrong with the comment, but lots of
people did.

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:34:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Was he one of the "brown" ones that Bush, Sr. got in trouble for
identifying? I didn't see anything wrong with the comment, but lots of
people did.


I don't know about that but this kid looks like a latin soap star, at
least in the stills I have seen. .

Does dhe ever suut up?

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:34:35 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Was he one of the "brown" ones that Bush, Sr. got in trouble for
identifying? I didn't see anything wrong with the comment, but lots of
people did.


I don't know about that but this kid looks like a latin soap star, at
least in the stills I have seen. .

Does dhe ever suut up?


Did you ever grow up?

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