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Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:25:56 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "H the K" wrote in message om... On 11/9/09 6:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? By offering added value. Personally, I don't care how they compete, since it should not be about competition. It should be about allowing all to have affordable healthcare without restrictions for "pre-existing" conditions. If you prefer heavy regulation instead of a public option, I'm all for it. McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. Secret is out. They LOVE socialism, but only if it's a small club who benefits. Cuz there just ain't enough to go around! |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:00:54 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message news:hda8e9 McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume We do not have major competion now, because of government regulation. How do you think more governmental regulation will increase competition. Looks like Bill done drunk the Kool-aid! Guvment regulashon is wats rong. |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message news:hda8e9 McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume We do not have major competion now, because of government regulation. How do you think more governmental regulation will increase competition. It certainly would not. You're not getting it. We need to have affordable healthcare coverage for average people. There are two ways to do that. 1) increase competition via a public option. 2) increase regulation so that insurance companies can't deny people coverage for things like pre-existing conditions. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message news:hda8e9 McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume We do not have major competion now, because of government regulation. How do you think more governmental regulation will increase competition. It certainly would not. You're not getting it. We need to have affordable healthcare coverage for average people. There are two ways to do that. 1) increase competition via a public option. 2) increase regulation so that insurance companies can't deny people coverage for things like pre-existing conditions. -- Nom=de=Plume Pre-existing is actually 2 items. Those with no insurance and a pre-existing condition and those with insurance and changing insurance. Put a large penalty on those with no insurance and a pre-existing condition. Sort of like buying fire insurance after your house burned down. If you are going to require the insurance company cover it, then you better make it possible to recover the excess payouts. If you have a insurance, make the new insurance company deal with your former as to payments. We could get a lot more competition in insurance prices with opening up the market, across state lines, etc. Why should a company with enough reserves to be an insurance company be banned from selling in a state? The other question is the healthcare bill affordable healthcare, or affordable insurance? This "healthcare" bill does nothing for lowering healthcare costs. |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
"H the K" wrote in message m... On 11/9/09 9:58 PM, Bill McKee wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/9/09 4:07 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? Nom, you are dealing with right-wing morons. That's the answer. And I guess you are just a plain moron. There's nothing in the bills that would give the government "complete control." Stop listening to right-wing-moron radio. By definition they will have extreme control! Fail to have insurance, you may go to prison! Get a brain. |
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:25:46 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:
By definition they will have extreme control! Fail to have insurance, you may go to prison! Mandatory insurance without a public option will be a disaster. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message news:hda8e9 McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume We do not have major competion now, because of government regulation. How do you think more governmental regulation will increase competition. It certainly would not. You're not getting it. We need to have affordable healthcare coverage for average people. There are two ways to do that. 1) increase competition via a public option. 2) increase regulation so that insurance companies can't deny people coverage for things like pre-existing conditions. -- Nom=de=Plume Pre-existing is actually 2 items. Those with no insurance and a pre-existing condition and those with insurance and changing insurance. Put a large penalty on those with no insurance and a pre-existing condition. Sort of like buying fire insurance after your house burned down. If you are Even if they were denied insurance to begin with?? going to require the insurance company cover it, then you better make it possible to recover the excess payouts. If you have a insurance, make the new insurance company deal with your former as to payments. We could get a lot more competition in insurance prices with opening up the market, across state lines, etc. Why should a company with enough reserves to be an insurance company be banned from selling in a state? The crossing state lines is a canard. What it really means is that insurance companies can move to states that don't have as many regulations, and thus they can deny even more claims. The other question is the healthcare bill affordable healthcare, or affordable insurance? This "healthcare" bill does nothing for lowering healthcare costs. The public option will force them to cut their overhead. This affects both the ins. company and the medical professional. It absolutely will lower costs all across the spectrum. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:24:38 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:
Pre-existing is actually 2 items. Those with no insurance and a pre-existing condition and those with insurance and changing insurance. Put a large penalty on those with no insurance and a pre-existing condition. Sort of like buying fire insurance after your house burned down. If you are going to require the insurance company cover it, then you better make it possible to recover the excess payouts. If you have a insurance, make the new insurance company deal with your former as to payments. We could get a lot more competition in insurance prices with opening up the market, across state lines, etc. Why should a company with enough reserves to be an insurance company be banned from selling in a state? Well, here's a way to cut costs. Get rid of the "dogs". hhttp://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1325222.html The other question is the healthcare bill affordable healthcare, or affordable insurance? This "healthcare" bill does nothing for lowering healthcare costs. |
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"Loogypicker" wrote in message By definition they will have extreme control! Fail to have insurance, you may go to prison! Get a brain.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just where is that in the bill? http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous...umentID=153583 |
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