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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf- 563122944.html?x=0&.v=8 But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104 When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting undone what Bush did. Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no good reason. When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts. -- Nom=de=Plume Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than George Bush. And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich... that really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation much, much worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget that part? -- Nom=de=Plume We never had a surplus! And there was no way were going to ever have a surplus. All the off budget BS that is required spending. And the Dot.com bubble was burst, and the income was going to drop. but Congress and the Executive branch had committed a lot of that bubble money to future programs. And that was caused by Dems and Repubs alike. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
... "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:47:11 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf- 563122944.html?x=0&.v=8 But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104 When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting undone what Bush did. Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no good reason. When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts. -- Nom=de=Plume Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than George Bush. Have a look at this and see if you continue to agree with the above... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp And that has what to do with the discussion? Why the hell would GW Bush demand those gigantic tax cuts if we were headed towards the ****ter? Didn't he know any better? Because, as I said Bush was worse than Clinton. Neither helped the economy. Clinton looked good because Greenspan let a bubble build. Untrue. Clinton's terms were much better for the economy. The economy expanded, unemployment was very low. Greenspan didn't look carefully enough at what was happening, but you can't blame him for what happened 10 years later. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf- 563122944.html?x=0&.v=8 But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104 When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting undone what Bush did. Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no good reason. When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts. -- Nom=de=Plume Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than George Bush. And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich... that really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation much, much worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget that part? -- Nom=de=Plume We never had a surplus! And there was no way were going to ever have a surplus. All the off budget BS that is required spending. And the Dot.com bubble was burst, and the income was going to drop. but Congress and the Executive branch had committed a lot of that bubble money to future programs. And that was caused by Dems and Repubs alike. I said, "We were on track to having a surplus." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "jps" wrote in message m... On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:47:11 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf- 563122944.html?x=0&.v=8 But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104 When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting undone what Bush did. Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no good reason. When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts. -- Nom=de=Plume Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than George Bush. Have a look at this and see if you continue to agree with the above... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...oyment.html?hp And that has what to do with the discussion? Why the hell would GW Bush demand those gigantic tax cuts if we were headed towards the ****ter? Didn't he know any better? Because, as I said Bush was worse than Clinton. Neither helped the economy. Clinton looked good because Greenspan let a bubble build. Untrue. Clinton's terms were much better for the economy. The economy expanded, unemployment was very low. Greenspan didn't look carefully enough at what was happening, but you can't blame him for what happened 10 years later. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually he caused the 10 year later bust. He lowered the interest rates too far to combat the dot.com meltdown. Caused the housing bubble along with the Feds agreement through Fannie and Freddie to buy any mortgage. And now Bernacke, and O have caused a 3rd bubble of the stock market. Most of the rise in the stock market has been financials and never in the history of the market has it risen 50% in 6 months. Keep stops on your stocks. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "BAR" wrote in message . .. Jobless rate tops 10 pct. for first time since '83 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Jobles...0-pct-for-apf- 563122944.html?x=0&.v=8 But of course Obama will whine that it is Bush's fault. http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...43692420091104 When is it time to man up and accept the reins of leadership and responsibility. I can see it now. The year is 2012 and Obama is saying if you give me another 4 years we can finally get started on getting undone what Bush did. Thank you George W. Bush for screwing up an economy and getting us embroiled in a war of choice. Thank you for sending 1000s to die for no good reason. When is it going to be time for you to man up and accept the facts. -- Nom=de=Plume Economy was already screwing up and primed to really implode before George got in. George did not help the situation at all. As one of the financial comentators said today. Bill Clinton was a better Republican than George Bush. And then... to the rescue, Bush and his immense tax cut for the rich... that really, really helped! He made a potential salvageable situation much, much worse. We were on track to having a surplus. Did you forget that part? -- Nom=de=Plume We never had a surplus! And there was no way were going to ever have a surplus. All the off budget BS that is required spending. And the Dot.com bubble was burst, and the income was going to drop. but Congress and the Executive branch had committed a lot of that bubble money to future programs. And that was caused by Dems and Repubs alike. I said, "We were on track to having a surplus." -- Nom=de=Plume And we were never on track to having a surplus. |
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? |
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On Nov 7, 9:47*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Nov 7, 5:03*am, TopBassDog wrote: On Nov 6, 3:50*pm, H the K wrote: On 11/6/09 4:41 PM, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, *wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" *wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. *Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. *Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. *It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. *Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before apartheid ended, eh? No one would miss any of you. I think all you over the edge lefties would feel a lot better if you *just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you *could run on your own terms...a country like Russia before *C.C.C.P. ended, eh? *No one would miss any of you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, unhinged right wing speak at it's finest! And what unhinged speak was this from Krause? " I think all you over the edge righties would feel a lot better if you just picked up and moved to a place more to your liking...a country you could run on your own terms...a country like south africa before apartheid ended, eh? No one would miss any of you." |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:23:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message om... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). You have an opponent who will turn a blind eye to anything that will not support his prejudiced views. He wants to hate government, he wants to hate Obama. He's going to do whatever he can to maintain those positions, hell or high water. |
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... On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:23:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:AqGdnbe6VKNOLGrXnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlink. com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). You have an opponent who will turn a blind eye to anything that will not support his prejudiced views. He wants to hate government, he wants to hate Obama. He's going to do whatever he can to maintain those positions, hell or high water. Well, I prefer to think of Bill as someone who would take a reasonable view if he made an effort to think through the situation and look at the facts. Even if he doesn't believe that the heathcare legislation would create more competition, he should be aware of the argument that it does do so. He ask how the gov't was going to reduce over all costs. I replied by creating more competition, which is the standard of economic process toward that goal. The response (how?) makes no sense, given what is being talked about all over the US. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:23:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:AqGdnbe6VKNOLGrXnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlink .com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). You have an opponent who will turn a blind eye to anything that will not support his prejudiced views. He wants to hate government, he wants to hate Obama. He's going to do whatever he can to maintain those positions, hell or high water. Well, I prefer to think of Bill as someone who would take a reasonable view if he made an effort to think through the situation and look at the facts. Even if he doesn't believe that the heathcare legislation would create more competition, he should be aware of the argument that it does do so. He ask how the gov't was going to reduce over all costs. I replied by creating more competition, which is the standard of economic process toward that goal. The response (how?) makes no sense, given what is being talked about all over the US. He's a curmudgeon -- keeps those blinders adjusted real tight. Tight enough to cut off blood flow. The argument against the public option could take several different tacts. Most likely, however, it'll include his disdain for government subsidized programs that cost tax $. Then he'll argue that they'd better not cut off his medicare coverage in order to offer a public option. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? It'll be fun to see how the dummies explain how this could be possible. Wanna bet eliminating theft, graft, and waste aren't part of their solutions? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? OMG Is she really that stupid? |
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says... Bill McKee wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? OMG Is she really that stupid? Apparently so... Kids, geeze.... -- Wafa free again. |
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Bill McKee wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" It'll be fun to see how the dummies explain how this could be possible. Wanna bet eliminating theft, graft, and waste aren't part of their solutions? Every state in the US regulates the kinds of insurance that can be sold in that state. These regulations covers, health, car, and home owners. If you do not have competition in the state you live, it is not the insurance industry that is limiting the companies in the state, it is the State regulators. These regulators not only control which companies sell in the state but what each company can charge for their policies. An example. we were recently looking for long term heath insurance. Since we were within years of retirement (that was before the pelosi plunge and obama slide) we considered our current state and the state to which we were planning to retire. Because of the differences in the state regulations we had to look for some time before we found a company that was allowed to sell that type of insurance in both states. Car insurance is another area where there are significant differences in what the different states say is good insurance, consequently what companies can sell in that state. If you have ever moved from one state to the other you have seen first hand these differences. Having lived in a hurricane area, I have seen first hand how the state controls the insurance industry. Before the companies could raise their rates to cover their losses from the hurricanes, the state had to approve the changes. Health is no different from the above examples. If you do not like your current health care work with the state insurance regulators and get it changed. The biggest objection to socialized medicine is the fact that per the huge pelosi pill everyone will be required to be in an HMO plan. Every HMO plan I have investigated, severely limits where you are covered under the plan. If you need health care you have to go to a designated primary doctor first or you pay significant penalties. If you travel or or are dividing your time between different parts of the country there will be times when you can not see your primary doctor. During those times when you can not get with your primary care doctor your health care cost will be huge. I don't see how restricting competition will encourage competition and you can decreasing the cost of health care by increase the product cost with taxes on the health manufacturing industries. It does not make sense. All of this and we have not even gotten to the fact that pelosi's huge pill will cost trillions of dollars and the current administration has already increase the debt and the deficit by a trillion dollars. |
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... In article , says... Bill McKee wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? OMG Is she really that stupid? Apparently so... Kids, geeze.... Apparently neither of you can handle watching the evening news. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:14 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:23:24 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:AqGdnbe6VKNOLGrXnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@earthlin k.com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). You have an opponent who will turn a blind eye to anything that will not support his prejudiced views. He wants to hate government, he wants to hate Obama. He's going to do whatever he can to maintain those positions, hell or high water. Well, I prefer to think of Bill as someone who would take a reasonable view if he made an effort to think through the situation and look at the facts. Even if he doesn't believe that the heathcare legislation would create more competition, he should be aware of the argument that it does do so. He ask how the gov't was going to reduce over all costs. I replied by creating more competition, which is the standard of economic process toward that goal. The response (how?) makes no sense, given what is being talked about all over the US. He's a curmudgeon -- keeps those blinders adjusted real tight. Tight enough to cut off blood flow. The argument against the public option could take several different tacts. Most likely, however, it'll include his disdain for government subsidized programs that cost tax $. Then he'll argue that they'd better not cut off his medicare coverage in order to offer a public option. That'd be tacks. Tact is the last thing I'd expect. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. |
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m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On 11/9/09 5:45 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? D'oh...the answer is, they won't be competing. Different markets. Sheesh. Right-wing morons...there's no end to them. |
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On 11/9/09 4:07 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? Nom, you are dealing with right-wing morons. That's the answer. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? By offering added value. Personally, I don't care how they compete, since it should not be about competition. It should be about allowing all to have affordable healthcare without restrictions for "pre-existing" conditions. If you prefer heavy regulation instead of a public option, I'm all for it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 11/9/09 6:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? By offering added value. Personally, I don't care how they compete, since it should not be about competition. It should be about allowing all to have affordable healthcare without restrictions for "pre-existing" conditions. If you prefer heavy regulation instead of a public option, I'm all for it. McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:45:09 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? Geez, I'll never understand. Don't you "libertarians" always assume that private enterprise can deliver products at a far higher level of efficiency than government ever could? If the agency that offers the public insurance option isn't allowed to operate at a loss, then all we're talking about is the cost of overhead and profit. Seems like your very much more efficient private enterprise could kick government's ass even having to be profitable, right? Mouth. Two. Sides? |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:07:59 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message om... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? 'Cuz that's what government do, you know. They completely control. Especially here in the US. That's what got us in so much danged hot water. All that control over the derivaties market. If they'd have left well enough alone, everything would've sorted it self out. So what if half the population had to live in cardboard boxes? Cardboard has made vast improvements in its heat keeping abilities since the '30s. |
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m... On 11/9/09 6:05 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? By offering added value. Personally, I don't care how they compete, since it should not be about competition. It should be about allowing all to have affordable healthcare without restrictions for "pre-existing" conditions. If you prefer heavy regulation instead of a public option, I'm all for it. McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:07:59 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:_vidnQC6wqZt6GXXnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink. com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? 'Cuz that's what government do, you know. They completely control. Especially here in the US. That's what got us in so much danged hot water. All that control over the derivaties market. If they'd have left well enough alone, everything would've sorted it self out. So what if half the population had to live in cardboard boxes? Cardboard has made vast improvements in its heat keeping abilities since the '30s. Exactly. The argument that "everything would've sorted itself out," is accurate. The problem is the cost to regular people... e.g., the improvement in cardboard boxes. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"H the K" wrote in message ... On 11/9/09 4:07 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? Nom, you are dealing with right-wing morons. That's the answer. And I guess you are just a plain moron. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message news:hda8e9 McKee apparently is a fan of the free market competitive system that isn't operative in the health care insurance industry. Well, that's what I don't get... it seems to me that especially among Republicans they would want a competitive system, even if there's only a possibility of it, even if it meant that the insurance companies couldn't compete and went belly up. That's the free market capitalistic system defined. Eat or be eaten. Survival of the fittest. So, there must be some other reason for the opposition, and I'd like one of these people to be honest and say what it is. -- Nom=de=Plume We do not have major competion now, because of government regulation. How do you think more governmental regulation will increase competition. |
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On 11/9/09 9:58 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
"H the wrote in message ... On 11/9/09 4:07 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? Nom, you are dealing with right-wing morons. That's the answer. And I guess you are just a plain moron. There's nothing in the bills that would give the government "complete control." Stop listening to right-wing-moron radio. -- If you are flajim, herring, loogy, GC boater, johnson, topbassdog, rob, or one of a half dozen others, you're wasting your time by trying to *communicate* with me through rec.boats, because, well, you are among the permanent members of my dumbfoch dumpster. As always, have a nice, simple-minded day. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... ? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? Geez, I'll never understand. Don't you "libertarians" always assume that private enterprise can deliver products at a far higher level of efficiency than government ever could? If the agency that offers the public insurance option isn't allowed to operate at a loss, then all we're talking about is the cost of overhead and profit. Seems like your very much more efficient private enterprise could kick government's ass even having to be profitable, right? Mouth. Two. Sides?\ Are you drunk. Your statement makes little sense as written. Where is the government agency not allowed to operate at a loss. How much subsidy from the taxpayers will be required to not operate at a loss? |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:27:56 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:07:59 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Bill McKee" wrote in message news:_vidnQC6wqZt6GXXnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@earthlink .com... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "jps" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message m... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, jps wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? 'Cuz that's what government do, you know. They completely control. Especially here in the US. That's what got us in so much danged hot water. All that control over the derivaties market. If they'd have left well enough alone, everything would've sorted it self out. So what if half the population had to live in cardboard boxes? Cardboard has made vast improvements in its heat keeping abilities since the '30s. Exactly. The argument that "everything would've sorted itself out," is accurate. The problem is the cost to regular people... e.g., the improvement in cardboard boxes. Dang, would have been a good time to be in cardboard. Bet those folks are real ****ed at Obama. |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:03:21 -0800, "Bill McKee"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . ? -- Nom=de=Plume Other than supplemental policies, which is why AARP is supporting the legislation, how could any private insurance company compete with a non taxpaying, tax collecting entity? Geez, I'll never understand. Don't you "libertarians" always assume that private enterprise can deliver products at a far higher level of efficiency than government ever could? If the agency that offers the public insurance option isn't allowed to operate at a loss, then all we're talking about is the cost of overhead and profit. Seems like your very much more efficient private enterprise could kick government's ass even having to be profitable, right? Mouth. Two. Sides?\ Are you drunk. Your statement makes little sense as written. Where is the government agency not allowed to operate at a loss. How much subsidy from the taxpayers will be required to not operate at a loss? Tell me, since you think you know. |
Thank You Obama, Pelosi and Reid
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:02:46 -0500, H the K
wrote: On 11/9/09 9:58 PM, Bill McKee wrote: "H the wrote in message ... On 11/9/09 4:07 PM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:39:17 -0800, "Bill McKee" wrote: wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... "Bill wrote in message m... wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Nov 6, 4:06 pm, wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:06:44 -0800, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Thus, things are moving in the right direction. Job numbers take time to reverse. NY Times did a good set of graphics on the state of unemployment. Even the simps should be able to comprehend... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...economy/unempl... Only an Obama voter could think that punishing small business, (the part of the economy that always starts to hire first at the end of a recession) with an 8% tax for not offering health insurance to employees will encourage them to hire. Morons, this will encourage small business to lay people off AND encourage other small businesses to get by without getting bigger. Why grow if the penalty for growth is an 8% tax and endless health insurance paperwork. It will also keep people from even wanting to start their own businesses. The "stimulus" offered by Bush was supposed to be used to buy "toxic mortgages" but was instead funelled to Obama cronies with nearly no such mortgages bought, they are still on the books. Now, Barney Frank wants to force the insurance industry to use similar low standards to force them to sell insurance to bad risks, a guarantee the insurance companies will collapse. Reply: Nice rant, but has very little to do with reality. -- Nom=de=Plume Actually has a lot to do with reality and history. When I was a kid, there were ushers at the movie theater. Most of those went away when the minimum wage was implemented. All those jobs the kids did starting out and learning how to be a worker disappeared. Raise the cost of business too much, and the business will disappear. Just like in California. Raise the sales tax to 9.75%. Probably a boom in internet sales. People like me that were planing a trip anyway, replaced the tires in another state. Saved 4.5% on $800. Wife said too bad we were not planing a trip to Oregon. Want a nice paint job on your car? Take it out of state. Body shops can only use water based color paints now. But the home painter without a spray booth and filters can use the good paint. I think he was talking about some notion of a tax on small business re heathcare. -- Nom=de=Plume He may have been, but it is all cost to the business. And if a business can not make a decent profit, then the business will close. Yes, it's all cost vs. income. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. -- Nom=de=Plume That is very true. And if the government raises costs too much, you get more business closing and more unemployment. This must be a joke or you're lying. The costs to companies who are providing health care (like my own) are being weighed down by the escalating costs. My primary concern is that those costs come down. I'm hoping that health care reform (if it has a public option) will facilitate that. Otherwise, it's been a waste of time. I'm expecting that's not lost on our lawmakers. So, are you ignorant or are you lying? Neither. How is the government going to reduce the overall cost of health care? By creating an atmosphere of competition. -- Nom=de=Plume Competition? How? Read the bill. If you don't have time, listen to the news (no, news, not Fox). -- Nom=de=Plume Nope, explain how the Federal Government in complete control of healthcare is going to improve competition. Why do you think the gov't would be in "complete" control? Where is that in the legislation that passed the House or in ANY legislation that's been proposed? Nom, you are dealing with right-wing morons. That's the answer. And I guess you are just a plain moron. There's nothing in the bills that would give the government "complete control." Stop listening to right-wing-moron radio. Can't help himself. He's older and likes a more conservative message, even if it's based on bull****. |
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