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thunder November 8th 09 04:51 PM

The 'reading of the dead'
 
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:38:43 -0500, gfretwell wrote:

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:26:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600, thunder
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006
rewrite, but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable,
and this is the version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software
over again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the
little Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed
in that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Buy a small, 2 to 4 TB, external storage device. Buy a "big PC" 4 or
8 processor, dual quad core, with 32 GB RAM. Buy VMWare.
Run both Windows and Linux, Red Hat ES 5, at the same time.

If you have the cache, pun intended, and what to go large let me know
and I'll give you the specs on a real farm.

If I ever decide to take the Linux plunge I would just do it with a
hardware dual boot machine. I already have a few, switching from DOS
to Windoze. You only have to put a switch on the master/slave jumpers
on the drives. Flip it one way it boots DOS, the other way it boots
Windoze. I have 2 new machines that will let you do the same thing
right in the BIOS.
XP will let you set D: "active" so you don't need to switch jumpers.


Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.


I didn't know about LILO, I am not running Linux. My dual boot machines
pretty much run unattended (MP3 players) so I didn't want any solution
that involved key strokes.


Lilo, or Grub for that matter, will provide a menu when you first boot
up. From that menu, you can choose the OS that you wish to run. No need
to fiddle with switches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LILO_%28boot_loader%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB

BAR[_2_] November 8th 09 05:12 PM

The 'reading of the dead'
 
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:


Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.


If you are using a modern distribution, don't be surprised if it comes
with Grub as it's boot-loader, instead of Lilo. BAR is right about using
a virtual machine, though. I use VirtualBox. If you are so inclined,
you can even lose some of Windows bloat by parrying it down with nLite.

http://lifehacker.com/374376/trim-do...are-essentials


At work the only computers I see are desktops and laptops. But, I work
with VM farms that have 40 Dell R900's running 400 to 600 Windows and
Linux VMs.

BAR[_2_] November 8th 09 05:35 PM

The 'reading of the dead'
 
In article ,
says...
I didn't know about LILO, I am not running Linux. My dual boot machines
pretty much run unattended (MP3 players) so I didn't want any solution
that involved key strokes.


Lilo, or Grub for that matter, will provide a menu when you first boot
up. From that menu, you can choose the OS that you wish to run. No need
to fiddle with switches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LILO_%28boot_loader%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB


Stallman is a pain in the ass and I tend to shy away from whatever he
does.





H the K[_4_] November 8th 09 07:48 PM

The 'reading of the dead'
 
On 11/8/09 12:12 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:


Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.


If you are using a modern distribution, don't be surprised if it comes
with Grub as it's boot-loader, instead of Lilo. BAR is right about using
a virtual machine, though. I use VirtualBox. If you are so inclined,
you can even lose some of Windows bloat by parrying it down with nLite.

http://lifehacker.com/374376/trim-do...are-essentials


At work the only computers I see are desktops and laptops. But, I work
with VM farms that have 40 Dell R900's running 400 to 600 Windows and
Linux VMs.



Sweep up around them, do ya?

RLM November 10th 09 05:44 PM

The 'reading of the dead'
 
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:51:49 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:38:43 -0500, gfretwell wrote:

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:26:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600, thunder
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006
rewrite, but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable,
and this is the version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software
over again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the
little Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed
in that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Buy a small, 2 to 4 TB, external storage device. Buy a "big PC" 4 or
8 processor, dual quad core, with 32 GB RAM. Buy VMWare.
Run both Windows and Linux, Red Hat ES 5, at the same time.

If you have the cache, pun intended, and what to go large let me know
and I'll give you the specs on a real farm.

If I ever decide to take the Linux plunge I would just do it with a
hardware dual boot machine. I already have a few, switching from DOS
to Windoze. You only have to put a switch on the master/slave jumpers
on the drives. Flip it one way it boots DOS, the other way it boots
Windoze. I have 2 new machines that will let you do the same thing
right in the BIOS.
XP will let you set D: "active" so you don't need to switch jumpers.

Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.


I didn't know about LILO, I am not running Linux. My dual boot machines
pretty much run unattended (MP3 players) so I didn't want any solution
that involved key strokes.


Lilo, or Grub for that matter, will provide a menu when you first boot
up. From that menu, you can choose the OS that you wish to run. No need
to fiddle with switches.


Yea, Lilo or Grub either one will work on startup or to switch users or
boot another distro either Linux or Windows and all can be on the same
hard drive.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LILO_%28boot_loader%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB




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