On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:45:01 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/7/09 2:41 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600,
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006 rewrite,
but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable, and this is the
version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over
again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little
Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)


I've got a one-owner, low mileage iMac you could buy:

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 3.06 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: IM81.00C1.B00
SMC Version (system): 1.30f1
Serial Number (system): XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Hardware UUID: 88F15404-1DFF-5D8B-8EF6-219FF85AB04B

24" monitor, 500 gig hard drive.

:)

What are you asking? I may be looking for a replacement for the kid's
Motorola powered Imac.

On 11/7/09 7:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:45:01 -0500, H the K
wrote:

On 11/7/09 2:41 PM, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600,
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006 rewrite,
but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable, and this is the
version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over
again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little
Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)


I've got a one-owner, low mileage iMac you could buy:

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 3.06 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: IM81.00C1.B00
SMC Version (system): 1.30f1
Serial Number (system): XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Hardware UUID: 88F15404-1DFF-5D8B-8EF6-219FF85AB04B

24" monitor, 500 gig hard drive.

:)

What are you asking? I may be looking for a replacement for the kid's
Motorola powered Imac.


I haven't gotten that far yet...forgot that it includes at least two
more years of Apple's three year extended warranty.

Flip me an email at

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:41:40 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might give
Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of several
projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little Windows
glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Well, if you really are interested, there are a couple of ways you can
go. Before doing anything to the hard drive, try a Live CD. It runs off
of the CD, and doesn't change the system at all. It will give you a
taste of what Linux is, but remember, because it is running off of a CD,
it will be slower than if installed.

I would suggest Ubuntu. It's modern, and relatively newbie friendly.

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

If you like it, it can be installed from the same CD. It will partition
your disk, leaving your Windows install alone. If you have enough space,
obviously.

Personally, I prefer Debian. Perhaps it is not as newbie friendly, but
from the first time I tried it, I knew I found a home. ;-)

Anyway, if you do try Linux, let me know if you run into any problems.
If I don't know the answer, I know where to find the answer. ;-)

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Nothing for nothing, in the early days, a Mac was it for graphics. I'm
not so sure that is the case anymore. The lines are blurring. One can
do just as well, whether on a PC, a Mac, or even a Linux system. It's
more the program, and one's level of comfort and expertise with that
program.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:18:42 -0800, jps wrote:


What's Windows? ;-)

Pardon me if I continue to use it. The proximity and his resources have
made a difference in my life and the lives of my family.

Hey, whatever floats your boat. It's all about choice. I'm a Linux fan,
not a Linux fanatic. Personally, I break out in hives every time I have
to use Windows, but that's just me. ;-)

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:55:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:18:42 -0800, jps wrote:


What's Windows? ;-)

Pardon me if I continue to use it. The proximity and his resources have
made a difference in my life and the lives of my family.

Hey, whatever floats your boat. It's all about choice. I'm a Linux fan,
not a Linux fanatic. Personally, I break out in hives every time I have
to use Windows, but that's just me. ;-)

Understood. He has in fact helped me float my boat.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600, thunder
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006 rewrite,
but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable, and this is the
version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over
again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little
Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Buy a small, 2 to 4 TB, external storage device.
Buy a "big PC" 4 or 8 processor, dual quad core, with 32 GB RAM.
Buy VMWare.
Run both Windows and Linux, Red Hat ES 5, at the same time.

If you have the cache, pun intended, and what to go large let me know
and I'll give you the specs on a real farm.

On 11/8/09 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:26:47 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600,
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006 rewrite,
but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable, and this is the
version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over
again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little
Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Buy a small, 2 to 4 TB, external storage device.
Buy a "big PC" 4 or 8 processor, dual quad core, with 32 GB RAM.
Buy VMWare.
Run both Windows and Linux, Red Hat ES 5, at the same time.

If you have the cache, pun intended, and what to go large let me know
and I'll give you the specs on a real farm.

If I ever decide to take the Linux plunge I would just do it with a
hardware dual boot machine. I already have a few, switching from DOS
to Windoze. You only have to put a switch on the master/slave jumpers
on the drives. Flip it one way it boots DOS, the other way it boots
Windoze. I have 2 new machines that will let you do the same thing
right in the BIOS.
XP will let you set D: "active" so you don't need to switch jumpers.


DOS? You're still running DOS? You're the man!

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:26:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600, thunder
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006 rewrite,
but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable, and this is the
version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over
again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little
Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Buy a small, 2 to 4 TB, external storage device.
Buy a "big PC" 4 or 8 processor, dual quad core, with 32 GB RAM.
Buy VMWare.
Run both Windows and Linux, Red Hat ES 5, at the same time.

If you have the cache, pun intended, and what to go large let me know
and I'll give you the specs on a real farm.

If I ever decide to take the Linux plunge I would just do it with a
hardware dual boot machine. I already have a few, switching from DOS
to Windoze. You only have to put a switch on the master/slave jumpers
on the drives. Flip it one way it boots DOS, the other way it boots
Windoze. I have 2 new machines that will let you do the same thing
right in the BIOS.
XP will let you set D: "active" so you don't need to switch jumpers.

Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.

On 11/8/09 11:21 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:26:47 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:33:24 -0600,
wrote:


I think I actually might have preferred Pan previous to the 2006 rewrite,
but not enough to pin it. I'm running Debian unstable, and this is the
version that comes with it. It does what I need.

If I ever get around to building a couple of new computers, I might
give Linux a try and reload all the graphics and video software over
again.

The problem now is overwriting Windows on all the computers - don't
think I really want to do that - in particular in the middle of
several projects I've got going. But I am getting tired of the little
Windows glitches that keep cropping up even with XP Pro.

Plus I'm toying with the idea of getting a Mac for the graphics and
video stuff I've been doing - that's a maybe, but I'm being pushed in
that direction by some of my collegues and friends.

We'll see. :)

Buy a small, 2 to 4 TB, external storage device.
Buy a "big PC" 4 or 8 processor, dual quad core, with 32 GB RAM.
Buy VMWare.
Run both Windows and Linux, Red Hat ES 5, at the same time.

If you have the cache, pun intended, and what to go large let me know
and I'll give you the specs on a real farm.

If I ever decide to take the Linux plunge I would just do it with a
hardware dual boot machine. I already have a few, switching from DOS
to Windoze. You only have to put a switch on the master/slave jumpers
on the drives. Flip it one way it boots DOS, the other way it boots
Windoze. I have 2 new machines that will let you do the same thing
right in the BIOS.
XP will let you set D: "active" so you don't need to switch jumpers.

Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.




Why take the LINUX plunge at all, unless you absolutely need something
LINUX or an app that runs under it offers?

Hell, you can *buy* a fully supported OS for $30, one that boots up
without question on the hardware for which it was designed, and is
maintained by professionals, *and* offers in-person and over the phone
support by people who speak...English?

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:21:52 -0500, BAR wrote:


Why don't you use LILO, Linux Loader, to dual boot if that is all you
want. LILO comes with most all Linux distributions. No switch on the
master/slave jumpers just hit the space bar when booting. LILO has been
around for near 20 years. If you want to run, actually run, multiple
OSes at the same time get VMWare and you can switch between the OSes
with a couple of keystrokes.

If you are using a modern distribution, don't be surprised if it comes
with Grub as it's boot-loader, instead of Lilo. BAR is right about using
a virtual machine, though. I use VirtualBox. If you are so inclined,
you can even lose some of Windows bloat by parrying it down with nLite.

http://lifehacker.com/374376/trim-do...are-essentials