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On Nov 5, 8:52*am, Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:50:40 -0500, BAR wrote: The ozone hole gets bigger and the ozone hole gets smaller. All you have to do is to take your measurements at the time of year that best supports your conclusion. We didn't even know there was an ozone layer until the early 20th century and we didn't really have a good way to measure it until we had satellites so we don't have a clue whether holes are normal and how they act. So then, how do we know it's us that are causing the fluctuation, could it just be normal like the re-disbursement of temperatures on the earth... -- Wafa free again. Simple. The ozone layer deteriorated faster where the highest concentrations of particulates in the air were. |
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... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:38:53 -0500, NotNow wrote: I guess it's easier for a liberal to pretend it's not a scam then to admit to the possibility that he (or she) may have been wrong. Just think. This is the *NEW YORK TIMES* publishing this, not the Washington Times, Harry's favorite paper. If global warming is nothing but a scam, how come there is SO much scientific data that it is, indeed occuring? Because nobody is getting grant money to publish a study that doesn't support the global warming theory. The oil/coal companies have deep pockets and are certainly funding that effort. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 11/5/09 1:00 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:38:53 -0500, wrote: I guess it's easier for a liberal to pretend it's not a scam then to admit to the possibility that he (or she) may have been wrong. Just think. This is the *NEW YORK TIMES* publishing this, not the Washington Times, Harry's favorite paper. If global warming is nothing but a scam, how come there is SO much scientific data that it is, indeed occuring? Because nobody is getting grant money to publish a study that doesn't support the global warming theory. The oil/coal companies have deep pockets and are certainly funding that effort. ....along with the U.S. senator from Oklahoma they own... |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:29 -0500, NotNow wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:54:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 5, 8:52 am, Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:50:40 -0500, BAR wrote: The ozone hole gets bigger and the ozone hole gets smaller. All you have to do is to take your measurements at the time of year that best supports your conclusion. We didn't even know there was an ozone layer until the early 20th century and we didn't really have a good way to measure it until we had satellites so we don't have a clue whether holes are normal and how they act. So then, how do we know it's us that are causing the fluctuation, could it just be normal like the re-disbursement of temperatures on the earth... -- Wafa free again. Simple. The ozone layer deteriorated faster where the highest concentrations of particulates in the air were. cite? Are you saying that the most freon was vented in Antarctica? You would think it would be over North America or at least the northern hemisphere if freon was the cause. The fact that the hole closed up and freon didn't stop being released sort of debunks the whole theory. As I said before, virtually all freon eventually leaks out. That is why most systems get repaired or replaced. There is no reason to think releases have dropped in the last 30 years. WHOOOOSH......... http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5149840...one-layer.html Which states in part: The most widely known damage to the ozone layer from CFCs is the ozone hole over the Antarctic continent, first discovered in the 1980s. Contrary to its name, the ozone hole is not actually a hole in the ozone layer but is a thinning of the layer itself. The ozone layer has also been found to be damaged over industrialized areas and throughout most of the world. As the damaging effects of CFCs continue to be studied, measures are being taken to limit or ban the use of CFCs in order to protect the ozone from further damage. Did you notice the part about "damaged over industrialized areas...." or just choose to ignore that? What! Theres more! http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_is_the...eing_destroyed Which states in part: Chlorine and chlorine-based compounds, create a surface on which ozone can be broken apart or destroyed. This is mainly why CFC's (chloro-fluoro-carbons) were banned by law, because they destroyed ozone. Note that the prefix chloro is in chloro-fluoro-carbons, meaning that the reason ozone was destroyed by CFC's was due to the fact that CFC's were chlorine-based compounds. And many, many more! lol -- Loogy says: Conservative = Good Liberal = Bad I agree. John H |
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says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:29 -0500, NotNow wrote: wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:54:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 5, 8:52 am, Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:50:40 -0500, BAR wrote: The ozone hole gets bigger and the ozone hole gets smaller. All you have to do is to take your measurements at the time of year that best supports your conclusion. We didn't even know there was an ozone layer until the early 20th century and we didn't really have a good way to measure it until we had satellites so we don't have a clue whether holes are normal and how they act. So then, how do we know it's us that are causing the fluctuation, could it just be normal like the re-disbursement of temperatures on the earth... -- Wafa free again. Simple. The ozone layer deteriorated faster where the highest concentrations of particulates in the air were. cite? Are you saying that the most freon was vented in Antarctica? You would think it would be over North America or at least the northern hemisphere if freon was the cause. The fact that the hole closed up and freon didn't stop being released sort of debunks the whole theory. As I said before, virtually all freon eventually leaks out. That is why most systems get repaired or replaced. There is no reason to think releases have dropped in the last 30 years. WHOOOOSH......... http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5149840...one-layer.html Which states in part: The most widely known damage to the ozone layer from CFCs is the ozone hole over the Antarctic continent, first discovered in the 1980s. Contrary to its name, the ozone hole is not actually a hole in the ozone layer but is a thinning of the layer itself. The ozone layer has also been found to be damaged over industrialized areas and throughout most of the world. As the damaging effects of CFCs continue to be studied, measures are being taken to limit or ban the use of CFCs in order to protect the ozone from further damage. Did you notice the part about "damaged over industrialized areas...." or just choose to ignore that? What! Theres more! http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_is_the...eing_destroyed Which states in part: Chlorine and chlorine-based compounds, create a surface on which ozone can be broken apart or destroyed. This is mainly why CFC's (chloro-fluoro-carbons) were banned by law, because they destroyed ozone. Note that the prefix chloro is in chloro-fluoro-carbons, meaning that the reason ozone was destroyed by CFC's was due to the fact that CFC's were chlorine-based compounds. And many, many more! But if the Chinese and Indians continued to produce and lose freon for the last 30 years, along with plenty we made, how did the hole get better if freon causes it? Are you saying it was simply having a toothless treaty that did it? Yes, words are everything. All you have to do is say it, and it's true and settled... Don't bother me with opposing facts or I will call you an entertainer, and pass laws to stifle your speech... Like threatening insurance companies during the health care debate... -- Wafa free again. |
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Tosk wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:26:29 -0500, NotNow wrote: wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:54:01 -0800 (PST), Loogypicker wrote: On Nov 5, 8:52 am, Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:50:40 -0500, BAR wrote: The ozone hole gets bigger and the ozone hole gets smaller. All you have to do is to take your measurements at the time of year that best supports your conclusion. We didn't even know there was an ozone layer until the early 20th century and we didn't really have a good way to measure it until we had satellites so we don't have a clue whether holes are normal and how they act. So then, how do we know it's us that are causing the fluctuation, could it just be normal like the re-disbursement of temperatures on the earth... -- Wafa free again. Simple. The ozone layer deteriorated faster where the highest concentrations of particulates in the air were. cite? Are you saying that the most freon was vented in Antarctica? You would think it would be over North America or at least the northern hemisphere if freon was the cause. The fact that the hole closed up and freon didn't stop being released sort of debunks the whole theory. As I said before, virtually all freon eventually leaks out. That is why most systems get repaired or replaced. There is no reason to think releases have dropped in the last 30 years. WHOOOOSH......... http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5149840...one-layer.html Which states in part: The most widely known damage to the ozone layer from CFCs is the ozone hole over the Antarctic continent, first discovered in the 1980s. Contrary to its name, the ozone hole is not actually a hole in the ozone layer but is a thinning of the layer itself. The ozone layer has also been found to be damaged over industrialized areas and throughout most of the world. As the damaging effects of CFCs continue to be studied, measures are being taken to limit or ban the use of CFCs in order to protect the ozone from further damage. Did you notice the part about "damaged over industrialized areas...." or just choose to ignore that? What! Theres more! http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_is_the...eing_destroyed Which states in part: Chlorine and chlorine-based compounds, create a surface on which ozone can be broken apart or destroyed. This is mainly why CFC's (chloro-fluoro-carbons) were banned by law, because they destroyed ozone. Note that the prefix chloro is in chloro-fluoro-carbons, meaning that the reason ozone was destroyed by CFC's was due to the fact that CFC's were chlorine-based compounds. And many, many more! But if the Chinese and Indians continued to produce and lose freon for the last 30 years, along with plenty we made, how did the hole get better if freon causes it? Are you saying it was simply having a toothless treaty that did it? Yes, words are everything. All you have to do is say it, and it's true and settled... Don't bother me with opposing facts or I will call you an entertainer, and pass laws to stifle your speech... Like threatening insurance companies during the health care debate... Yep, there you go, forgo good science in favor of what the RNC tells you. |
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