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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:00 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Vietnam seems to be doing fine. Have you been furniture shopping
lately? China is complaining that Vietnam is stealing their jobs.

Vietnamese friend and coworker at a semiconductor maker went over there
with said company about setting up factories. They seem to be doing
well.

Despite the communist gov't. I'm shocked. Shocked!

I think the corporate weasels have taken over the communist
governments too. Cuba is the only truly communist country left as far
as I can tell and that is an artificial circumstance brought on by our
embargo.
It is ironic that if we were not "fighting communism" in this
hemisphere there wouldn't be any.



Well, I guess we're all doomed to capitalism then.

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:15:00 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Vietnam seems to be doing fine. Have you been furniture shopping
lately? China is complaining that Vietnam is stealing their jobs.
Vietnamese friend and coworker at a semiconductor maker went over there
with said company about setting up factories. They seem to be doing
well.
Despite the communist gov't. I'm shocked. Shocked!
I think the corporate weasels have taken over the communist
governments too. Cuba is the only truly communist country left as far
as I can tell and that is an artificial circumstance brought on by our
embargo.
It is ironic that if we were not "fighting communism" in this
hemisphere there wouldn't be any.



Well, I guess we're all doomed to capitalism then.

Doomed is right.

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:05:17 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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Vietnamese friend and coworker at a semiconductor maker went over
there
with said company about setting up factories. They seem to be doing
well.

Despite the communist gov't. I'm shocked. Shocked!

I think the corporate weasels have taken over the communist
governments too. Cuba is the only truly communist country left as far
as I can tell and that is an artificial circumstance brought on by our
embargo.
It is ironic that if we were not "fighting communism" in this
hemisphere there wouldn't be any.



Well, I guess we're all doomed to capitalism then.

I don't think Vietnam ever really was communist. It was just supported
by the Soviets and we were fighting anyone the Soviets supported.
Once we got in there the war took on a life of it;s own ... much like
Afghanistan. We just stayed because we didn't want to "Lose"
("peace with honor" and all that crap).
As soon as we got out of there, they immediately started building a
capitalist society.

Cuba is trying to build a capitalist society as we speak. If we would
let them, they would be competing with Florida for US tourist dollars
in the morning. Then would Steve Wynn and Bill Marriott be far behind?
We could trash that island in 10 years.



VN is a communist country. No communist country (except perhaps North Korea)
is a pure society.

Castro merged his revolutionary organization with the communist party.
Again, not a pure state.

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:42:36 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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VN is a communist country.

Why do you think that, and define "communist".
The way I understand it there is a vibrant free market in Vietnam and
if the government tried to stop that, they would have another
revolution. Hopefully we wouldn't go to that one.


I think it's a hybrid, but that's certainly true of China also. Again, it's
pure like NK and the "others."

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 21:58:08 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:42:36 -0800, "nom=de=plume"
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VN is a communist country.

Why do you think that, and define "communist".
The way I understand it there is a vibrant free market in Vietnam and
if the government tried to stop that, they would have another
revolution. Hopefully we wouldn't go to that one.


I think it's a hybrid, but that's certainly true of China also. Again,
it's
pure like NK and the "others."

NK is just a dictatorship with no economy. You certainly can't say Kim
is taking care of the proletariat with the fruits of production. Cuba
is really the only functioning communist country in the world

VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because we
would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman screwed up
big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.

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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.


It's Obama's fault.

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On 11/5/09 12:53 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:16 -0800, Bill McKee wrote:


VN was never really communist. They sided with the Red Chinese, because
we would not support those who wanted their country back. Truman
screwed up big time letting France back into their colonies after WW2.

Vietnam may not have been communist, but Ho Chi Minh certainly was, but
he was also a pragmatist. He made deals with the Chinese Nationalists
(Chiang Kai Shek), and later with the French, to achieve Vietnamese
autonomy. Both parties screwed him over, and the rest is history. You
are right, we never should have backed French imperialism.


It's Obama's fault.


No doubt. We actually have posters here who are proud of their efforts
to kill Vietnamese, as if we had some divine right to do so. What we
should have done after WW II was help the Vietnamese throw off the yoke
of French imperialism.