jps wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:02:22 -0500, wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:54:42 -0500, wrote:

Don White wrote:

No wonder he doesn't need universal health care. He ends up getting a free
ride anyway.


What is "free" about universal health care? We have it already. The
illegals get free health care and the rest of us pay for it.

-S

They're either deadbeats or simply cannot afford coverage. They come
in all colors, nationalities and religions.

Most of the poor in this country are working poor. You may want to
look into it before you spout your next bumper sticker.

If you are counting the illegals as part of the "poor" then there is
your problem. If they were eliminated from our heath care system
entirely, the poor *Americans* would be a minor burden.

-S

You'd also be paying three times the amount for fruits, vegetables and
a ****load of other items that are subsidized by cheap wages to low
income workers.

You pay one way or you pay the other. One way or the other, you're
gonna pay.

Capiche?

No. Their free health care, education, and lack of income tax payments,
far outweighs the savings of their cheap labor.

-S

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:06:47 -0500, Stevie wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:02:22 -0500, wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:54:42 -0500, wrote:

Don White wrote:

No wonder he doesn't need universal health care. He ends up getting a free
ride anyway.


What is "free" about universal health care? We have it already. The
illegals get free health care and the rest of us pay for it.

-S

They're either deadbeats or simply cannot afford coverage. They come
in all colors, nationalities and religions.

Most of the poor in this country are working poor. You may want to
look into it before you spout your next bumper sticker.

If you are counting the illegals as part of the "poor" then there is
your problem. If they were eliminated from our heath care system
entirely, the poor *Americans* would be a minor burden.

-S

You'd also be paying three times the amount for fruits, vegetables and
a ****load of other items that are subsidized by cheap wages to low
income workers.

You pay one way or you pay the other. One way or the other, you're
gonna pay.

Capiche?

No. Their free health care, education, and lack of income tax payments,
far outweighs the savings of their cheap labor.

-S

Cite?

jps wrote:
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:06:47 -0500, wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:02:22 -0500, wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:54:42 -0500, wrote:

Don White wrote:

No wonder he doesn't need universal health care. He ends up getting a free
ride anyway.


What is "free" about universal health care? We have it already. The
illegals get free health care and the rest of us pay for it.

-S

They're either deadbeats or simply cannot afford coverage. They come
in all colors, nationalities and religions.

Most of the poor in this country are working poor. You may want to
look into it before you spout your next bumper sticker.

If you are counting the illegals as part of the "poor" then there is
your problem. If they were eliminated from our heath care system
entirely, the poor *Americans* would be a minor burden.

-S

You'd also be paying three times the amount for fruits, vegetables and
a ****load of other items that are subsidized by cheap wages to low
income workers.

You pay one way or you pay the other. One way or the other, you're
gonna pay.

Capiche?

No. Their free health care, education, and lack of income tax payments,
far outweighs the savings of their cheap labor.

-S

Cite?

You know that their labor savings isn't documented (much like them) but
I think you are smart enough to at least know that they are a HUGE drain
on heath care and our education system. I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE. That alone should
be obvious to any reasonable person as well as the relatively minor
hourly payroll savings for their employers.

If you want to include the costs of incarceration for all of the illegal
criminals, it's even worse.

-S

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:50 -0500, Stevie wrote:


I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE.

Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't withhold
them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a plus, as
illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal immigrants are a
net fiscal drain on the economy.

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says...

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:50 -0500, Stevie wrote:


I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE.

Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't withhold
them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a plus, as
illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal immigrants are a
net fiscal drain on the economy.

I got stiffed in 1988 because my employer did pay actually money to SS.
I didn't get screwed over by the IRS or the State on income tax
withholding. But, I didn't get the 1988 SS "contributions" fixed within
the statute of limitations and I have a "0" on my 1988 contributions.
luckily it doesn't really matter now.

BAR wrote:
In inet,
says...

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:50 -0500, Stevie wrote:


I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE.

Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't withhold
them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a plus, as
illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal immigrants are a
net fiscal drain on the economy.

I got stiffed in 1988 because my employer did pay actually money to SS.
I didn't get screwed over by the IRS or the State on income tax
withholding. But, I didn't get the 1988 SS "contributions" fixed within
the statute of limitations and I have a "0" on my 1988 contributions.
luckily it doesn't really matter now.


Your SS office will correct that with a pay stub. I had the same
problem when I worked for a company that filed Chapter 7. Nothing was
reported. It was an easy fix.

-S

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:58:24 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:50 -0500, Stevie wrote:


I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE.

Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't withhold
them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a plus, as
illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal immigrants are a
net fiscal drain on the economy.

Apparently you've not heard of a W-4.
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Liberal = Bad

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says...

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:58:24 -0600, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:50 -0500, Stevie wrote:


I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE.

Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't withhold
them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a plus, as
illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal immigrants are a
net fiscal drain on the economy.

Apparently you've not heard of a W-4.

Or an S corp...

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:58:59 -0500, Tosk wrote:


Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't
withhold them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a
plus, as illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal
immigrants are a net fiscal drain on the economy.

Apparently you've not heard of a W-4.

Or an S corp...

Yeah, I'm sure that's a big problem with illegal aliens.

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:31:50 -0500, Stevie wrote:


I'm also pretty certain that
you are smart enough to know their lack of contributions in income
taxes, payroll taxes, SS, and Medicare are also HUGE.

Unless they are self-employed, income taxes and payroll taxes are the
employers responsibility to withhold. If the employer doesn't withhold
them, blame the employer. As for SS, any monies put in are a plus, as
illegals will never be able to collect. Still, illegal immigrants are a
net fiscal drain on the economy.

Payroll taxes are *paid* by the employer, not the employee. They are
not withheld. In the case of illegal aliens, the employer pockets that
money, too.