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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because a
CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to be
an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here"
part of the Presidency.

I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume


He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should have made the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone in
to the books as one of the great Presidents.

And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following? Perhaps
you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the population
supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option". 70% may want some kind of reform and the minority media
has fudged the polls, but to be sure, 70% do not want "the public
option" They did have a poll that came out last week but it was
illegitimate with them polling 30% less republicans, but that's what
they call "news", fair and balanced.. snerk Please look beyond the 8
second sound bite...


Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public support. I
guess he was just following the polls.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't
do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because
a
CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to
be
an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here"
part of the Presidency.

I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume


He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should have made
the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone
in
to the books as one of the great Presidents.

And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps
you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the population
supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option". 70% may want some kind of reform and the minority media
has fudged the polls, but to be sure, 70% do not want "the public
option" They did have a poll that came out last week but it was
illegitimate with them polling 30% less republicans, but that's what
they call "news", fair and balanced.. snerk Please look beyond the 8
second sound bite...


Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public support. I
guess he was just following the polls.

Here's one from Rasmussen, which doesn't exactly have a liberal bias:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 57% oppose
the plan if it doesn't include a government-run health insurance plan to
compete with private insurers.

Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009101902502

SurveyUSA (#2):

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...8-62b9d1ba8693

Have a nice day!

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:22:50 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Tosk" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't
do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because
a
CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to
be
an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here"
part of the Presidency.

I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

--
Nom=de=Plume


He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should have made
the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone
in
to the books as one of the great Presidents.

And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps
you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the population
supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option". 70% may want some kind of reform and the minority media
has fudged the polls, but to be sure, 70% do not want "the public
option" They did have a poll that came out last week but it was
illegitimate with them polling 30% less republicans, but that's what
they call "news", fair and balanced.. snerk Please look beyond the 8
second sound bite...


Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public support. I
guess he was just following the polls.

Here's one from Rasmussen, which doesn't exactly have a liberal bias:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 57% oppose
the plan if it doesn't include a government-run health insurance plan to
compete with private insurers.

Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2009101902502

SurveyUSA (#2):

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...8-62b9d1ba8693

Have a nice day!

On Oct 22, 11:50*pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Oct 22, 11:50*pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Oct 22, 11:50*pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

My my, but the minority media is getting a lot like talk radio.. Maybe
MSNBC should be silenced and sent home to get their tingles up their
legs...

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:32:03 -0400, John H. wrote:


Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

That is low. Currently, only 20% of adults self identify themselves as
Republicans, 36% self identify themselves as Democrats. There should
have been 16% more Democrats polled.

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:59:54 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:32:03 -0400, John H. wrote:


Gosh, and there were only 14% more Democrats than Republicans in the
poll.

That is low. Currently, only 20% of adults self identify themselves as
Republicans, 36% self identify themselves as Democrats. There should
have been 16% more Democrats polled.

I'm surprised they poll anything besides Democrats.

Wouldn't that be the ultimate 'proof'?

On 10/23/09 7:51 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:50 pm, wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.


A larger percentage of the public now recognizes that the right wing and
its corporate sponsors have been trying to **** them over...again.

H the K wrote:
On 10/23/09 7:51 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Oct 22, 11:50 pm, wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html


A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.


A larger percentage of the public now recognizes that the right wing and
its corporate sponsors have been trying to **** them over...again.

Ah, that's the way to get you point across, foul language.